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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 21:00:31 GMT -5
I'ma need to see that in print westcoast. While I think Martin is putting more money into athletics than his predecessors, I'm not so sure the money is near the top of the OVC or even the Big South. Assuming arguendo it is, how much of that is eaten up by top-heavy coaching salaries and travel expenses? But I ain't buying that one until I see it in print. It also begs the question, what could we do with that money in d-2 (other than win multiple national championships in several sports). As far as making money off of the playoffs, we'd have to actually EARN a home playoff game first, and then bid for it, and then hope like hell we do sell that amount of tix on the weekend immediately after Thanksgiving. That's a lot of ifs. Our 2013/14 Budget was $11.6 Million, FWIW. Source is ope.ed.gov/athletics
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Post by aggierattler on Dec 31, 2014 21:17:15 GMT -5
Forget the MEAC office; main priority should be getting the schools $. Never felt that great about the work the MEAC commission has done for the conference. That's the standard working model in collegiate athletics...giving the conference office an equal share of the revenue. It's about the only way any conference office can function, and I have no problem with that. The problem that I have with OUR conference office is that there is never any information about our plans and strategies concerning growth. Most of our previous commissioners didn't have that problem; this is one that is most prevalent with Commissioner Thomas. He sits in an Ivory Tower and is hidden from the light. That is what I would like to change.
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Post by numberonebrave on Jan 1, 2015 10:34:29 GMT -5
I wonder if there is more to this deal than has been "released" . Perhaps there is a tv deal doing the season that includes an additional 10 regular season games in a time slot that does not make it appear no one attends our games, with each participating school getting paid. There has got to be more than just the bowl discussed here.
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Post by Aggie One on Jan 1, 2015 11:40:06 GMT -5
I wonder if there is more to this deal than has been "released" . Perhaps there is a tv deal doing the season that includes an additional 10 regular season games in a time slot that does not make it appear no one attends our games, with each participating school getting paid. There has got to be more than just the bowl discussed here. It better be because if this is all there is to this game payout guarantee, the MEAC just screwed the pooch with this agreement.
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Post by saabman on Jan 1, 2015 17:08:31 GMT -5
I wonder if there is more to this deal than has been "released" . Perhaps there is a tv deal doing the season that includes an additional 10 regular season games in a time slot that does not make it appear no one attends our games, with each participating school getting paid. There has got to be more than just the bowl discussed here. It better be because if this is all there is to this game payout guarantee, the MEAC just screwed the pooch with this agreement. ONLY TIME WILL TELL. But I have a feeling that there is more to this also .
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Post by The Professor on Jan 1, 2015 18:55:40 GMT -5
With the way our conference leadership works.... I doubt it.
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Post by AggiePride on Jan 1, 2015 19:58:23 GMT -5
what happens when there is a non optimal match up? how will they market this to the casual fan? Can they tie it with hbob to draw more interest? This will only work if they make it like a homecoming game with similar activities.
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Post by saabman on Jan 1, 2015 21:55:19 GMT -5
what happens when there is a non optimal match up? how will they market this to the casual fan? Can they tie it with hbob to draw more interest? This will only work if they make it like a homecoming game with similar activities. We are not the only HBCU with fan's. Now come on now. If you have 2 champions playing each there is no Optimal match up. Their are a lot of HBCU football fan's that just love the game and will come just for the game . Past that it's all about Marketing to attract the other fans. I do not think ESPN would put their stamp on this game if they felt that they could not attract the true football fan's and the others to this game.
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Post by aggierattler on Jan 2, 2015 0:46:12 GMT -5
(First of all, please note that THIS DEAL HAS NOT BEEN FINALIZED!!)
THUS FAR...AS OF JANUARY 1, 2015:
What we know so far
◾The participating MEAC team will receive $200,000 and keep all ticket revenue from tickets sold through their on-campus ticket office;
◾The participating SWAC team will receive $200,000 and keep all ticket revenue from tickets sold through their on-campus ticket office;
◾Each non-participating MEAC team, plus the conference office, will equally split $800,000;
◾Each non-participating SWAC team, plus the conference office, will equally split $800,000;
◾The MEAC will remain eligible for the FCS Playoffs but will not have an Automatic Qualifier and will be eligible for at-large berths;
What we DON'T know so far
◾Will the MEAC's $800,000 non-participant guarantee include any shares to UMES and Coppin State? (This is really a conference issue.)
◾ESPN will "cover travel costs," but was does that include? Transportation only? Transportation and hotel? Transportation, hotel and meals?
◾How long is ESPN's commitment to this game?
◾Can the MEAC and SWAC directly broker in any sponsorship deals and share that revenue amongst the schools? (Essence, Johnson Publishing, TVOne, Ford, Honda, American Airlines, Nike Jordan Brand, etc.)
◾What is the name of this Bowl, the date of the game and the venue where it will be played?
(Lastly, please note that THIS DEAL HAS NOT BEEN FINALIZED!!)
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Post by AggiePride on Jan 2, 2015 9:50:56 GMT -5
what happens when there is a non optimal match up? how will they market this to the casual fan? Can they tie it with hbob to draw more interest? This will only work if they make it like a homecoming game with similar activities. We are not the only HBCU with fan's. Now come on now. If you have 2 champions playing each there is no Optimal match up. Their are a lot of HBCU football fan's that just love the game and will come just for the game . Past that it's all about Marketing to attract the other fans. I do not think ESPN would put their stamp on this game if they felt that they could not attract the true football fan's and the others to this game. That is not my point. We all know and understand a lot people don't go to HBCU football games for the game, they go to stunt or watch the band and cheerleaders. So have ESPN and the MEAC/SWAC thought about the implications of when the game features non marque programs? That was my question. For instance a southern vs famu game will not only bring out their supporters, but casual hbcu football fans, band heads, and others. A del state vs. mvsu will not have the same attendance (I recognize both examples are extremes, but it is something to think about).
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 2, 2015 10:29:25 GMT -5
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 2, 2015 11:01:57 GMT -5
15 grand seems paltry, until you think of the alternative. The alternative is nothing. So yeah, 15 grand for not winning the conference is a pretty good reward. sure $15k is better than nothing, but anything is better than nothing, even $5 is better than nothinng. but at the d1 level? what is $15k worth? not $15 million, but $15k? $15k at this level is even an "insult" to peanuts. the day that we celebrate over $15k is the day we indeed need to drop down to d2 or even further. $15k is not even a drop in the bucket! i'd be very insulted if anyone expected me to rejoice over $15k when we run a "multi-million dollar" athletics operation. and don't look for dr. martin to move us down to d2. he was the one who initiated the d1 move for wssu. so its pretty obvious that his mindset is not one which is to lower our athletic profile to d2. i don't know this to be fact, but i suspect that dr. martin's previous ties to the university of north carolina as a vice president of academic affairs has emboldened him to pursue more than just an “hbcu” label for a&t. i think he wants more than that, i think he wants to see a&t’s brand on the same level (or better) than most other pwc fcs schools, if not bcs schools too. and i’m not just talking athletics in that regard, but i’m also referring to "academics". our student enrollment is far more “diverse” today than it was 20 or 30 years ago. we have to compete largely against in-state pwc’s (not just hbcu’s) to enroll the best academic students possible and being labeled “hbcu only” does not help that effort. that's why i hate this ideal of withdrawing from the playoffs because it "isolates" us as an hbcu only. here's an excerpt that i pulled from dr. martin's wikipedia page that highlights his vision for a&t. and by the way, i totally 100% support his vision!!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 2, 2015 11:40:45 GMT -5
and btw, if we are fortunate enough to join the big south or socon down the road, we still could play our top hbcu rivals including nccu, wssu, scsu, and howard. given that the big south currently only has 6 teams (which means only 6 conference games), we’d have plenty of flexibility to schedule our hbcu rivals much the same as tennessee state does now.
and in terms of attendance, we wouldn’t lose anything by joining the big south or socon. we never draw that well against some meac schools anyway like dsu, ssu, or morgan state (unless its homecoming). and our numbers aren’t that great for famu or bcu either unless a championship is at stake. this past season we drew about 15k for the coastal carolina game and more than 13k against elon 2 years ago. i mean, we even drew 13k against lowly chowan college this past season. yet, we only had 13k against hampton and 10k against morgan state this past season. so i don’t buy the notion that our attendance would drop off if we joined a pwc conference.
without knowing all of the behind the scenes facts, i think i’m on the exact same page as dr. martin. yes, we are “proudly” an hbcu and i personally wouldn’t want to have it any other way. but we’re not just an hbcu “only”. we should look to position ourselves nationally as an institution of higher learning alongside of all fcs level institutions, not just hbcu’s...
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Post by DECKS on Jan 2, 2015 11:50:47 GMT -5
We are not the only HBCU with fan's. Now come on now. If you have 2 champions playing each there is no Optimal match up. Their are a lot of HBCU football fan's that just love the game and will come just for the game . Past that it's all about Marketing to attract the other fans. I do not think ESPN would put their stamp on this game if they felt that they could not attract the true football fan's and the others to this game. That is not my point. We all know and understand a lot people don't go to HBCU football games for the game, they go to stunt or watch the band and cheerleaders. So have ESPN and the MEAC/SWAC thought about the implications of when the game features non marque programs? That was my question. For instance a southern vs famu game will not only bring out their supporters, but casual hbcu football fans, band heads, and others. A del state vs. mvsu will not have the same attendance (I recognize both examples are extremes, but it is something to think about). espn will be satisfied with minimal attendance. They are more concerned with tv ratings. Sent from my SM-N910P using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2015 12:48:36 GMT -5
and btw, if we are fortunate enough to join the big south or socon down the road, we still could play our top hbcu rivals including nccu, wssu, scsu, and howard. given that the big south currently only has 6 teams (which means only 6 conference games), we’d have plenty of flexibility to schedule our hbcu rivals much the same as tennessee state does now. and in terms of attendance, we wouldn’t lose anything by joining the big south or socon. we never draw that well against some meac schools anyway like dsu, ssu, or morgan state (unless its homecoming). and our numbers aren’t that great for famu or bcu either unless a championship is at stake. this past season we drew about 15k for the coastal carolina game and more than 13k against elon 2 years ago. i mean, we even drew 13k against lowly chowan college this past season. yet, we only had 13k against hampton and 10k against morgan state this past season. so i don’t buy the notion that our attendance would drop off if we joined a pwc conference. without knowing all of the behind the scenes facts, i think i’m on the exact same page as dr. martin. yes, we are “proudly” an hbcu and i personally wouldn’t want to have it any other way. but we’re not just an hbcu “only”. we should look to position ourselves nationally as an institution of higher learning alongside of all fcs level institutions, not just hbcu’s... Liberty doesn't want HBCU's in a conference with them.
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