bluehaze
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Nov 24, 2014 14:28:27 GMT -5
Post by bluehaze on Nov 24, 2014 14:28:27 GMT -5
Aggie Monster, you can't have it both ways. You can't make statements like "they outcoached us" and get upset when you get challenged. You have the right to make a statement and other posters have the right to respond to you, if they disagree. Freedom of speech doesn't mean Freedom of don't question my opinion. The 2nd part of my post was NOT for thrilla. It was for marchingband telling us to let it go. Thrilla and I are having an educated conversation about the game . Which we have the right to do. I was telling marchingband if he doesn't want to read what a message board is actually for then dont read it. but we should be told to let it go. Gotcha. I was confused, because I thought you and Thrilla were having a good back and forth. However, I do have to side with BT
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Nov 24, 2014 14:50:28 GMT -5
Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 24, 2014 14:50:28 GMT -5
I never played football.....frankly I wasn't big enough to play it. 1) You don't need to play 10 years of football to tell if a QB has pocket awareness. 2) You don't need to play 10 years of football to tell if a QB is accurate with his passes. 3) You don't need to play 10 years to gauge whether a team has the mental makeup to play big when it really matters. And when I say team......I'M INCLUDING PLAYERS AND COACHES. Then I was right . You have No understanding of the game . If that's what you need to say to make you feel better about yourself, then more power to you. Just do me a favor - when other posters point out the EXACT SAME PROBLEMS I do (whether they've been exposed to football or not), please let them know as well that they have no understanding of the game either. When I point to things the football team needs to do (ie. fire the offensive coordinator) or point out flaws with the team (ie. failing to convert on 3rd downs)......and the coach says/does the same thing......please tell them they have no understanding of the game either. If you critique a person's opinion you don't care for, but don't critique a person you like who expresses the same opinion.......that comes off clownish to me.
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Post by saabman on Nov 24, 2014 15:08:15 GMT -5
Then I was right . You have No understanding of the game . If that's what you need to say to make you feel better about yourself, then more power to you. Just do me a favor - when other posters point out the EXACT SAME PROBLEMS I do (whether they've been exposed to football or not), please let them know as well that they have no understanding of the game either. When I point to things the football team needs to do (ie. fire the offensive coordinator) or point out flaws with the team (ie. failing to convert on 3rd downs)......and the coach says/does the same thing......please tell them they have no understanding of the game either. If you critique a person's opinion you don't care for, but don't critique a person you like who expresses the same opinion.......that comes off clownish to me. No no no. Tell me what is the game of football to you have? X's and O's are just a small part of the game. Look deeper and tell me what you see.
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Nov 24, 2014 15:16:12 GMT -5
Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 24, 2014 15:16:12 GMT -5
Look deeper beyond X's and O's......I've already told you what I see. I cannot help it if you cannot comprehend what I've said. Now if you disagree with what I've said, fine. I've been very clear from the jump: MENTAL FORTITUDE WHEN ADVERSITY STRIKES - this is priority #1 we need to correct - from the head coach all the way on down to the waterboy. If this isn't corrected, we will chronically be the 2nd-3rd best team in the conference.
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oleschoolaggie
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Dec 3, 2014 17:59:21 GMT -5
Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 3, 2014 17:59:21 GMT -5
man, today is the first time i've read this thread and i'm glad i waited this long. i have my own opinion of why we loss, but it certainly ain't because we got "out coached". imo, we were "out played", not "out coached". just because we were out played doesn't mean we were out coached.
and one thing for absolutely sure! OUR GUYS AND COACHES DID NOT "CHOKE"! i've been in athletics all of my life and a lot of folks do not understand the importance of an athlete's mindset relative to competing in a game. its very difficult to explain on a message board and if you've never been an athlete at this level, you can't possibly understand it.
i'm just gonna sum it all up by saying central was hungrier than we were for this win. now, that doesn't mean our guys weren't hungry to win this game, i'm absolutely sure they were. it just means we weren't as hungry as they were. for central, this game met "all or nothing". for us, it met "all or something". in other words "subconsciously" we had less to lose than they did. we lose, we're still champs. they lose, they get "nothing". add to that the fact that we'd beaten them 3 years in a row, they were "underdogs", and coach broadway gave them some bulletin board material ("we're going down there to kick their butts!"). and that explains to me the psychological edge that they had on us.
on the other hand, we already had a share of the championship in our pockets, everybody was singing our praises because we were ranked nationally for the first time all season long, we were probably a tad bit "over confident" because we'd beaten them 3 years in a row including last year's "skunk" in greensboro 28-0.
so in my mind, i know i would play as if there's no tomorrow if i knew losing that game meant getting "nothing" whereas winning that game meant winning a championship...
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Dec 3, 2014 19:22:41 GMT -5
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Post by ohsixrain on Dec 3, 2014 19:22:41 GMT -5
Well oleschool, you got some folk on this board that believe Central is the better team. Makes me sick to my stomach. ..but, they did win the game. But, I continue to ask is Va. Tech better than Ohio State, is Ole Miss better than Alabama or Arizona better than Oregon. Now, I will concede that on those days they played they were better that day but, there's 365 days in a year. So, NCCU was better that day but, if we play 10 times we win 7. But, it's a valuable lesson for our team to learn. I think I'm rounding the corner a little, I think nezt season we will see a team that plays with a sense of urgency each time out. But man that loss hurt me.
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Dec 3, 2014 19:23:45 GMT -5
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Post by saabman on Dec 3, 2014 19:23:45 GMT -5
man, today is the first time i've read this thread and i'm glad i waited this long. i have my own opinion of why we loss, but it certainly ain't because we got "out coached". imo, we were "out played", not "out coached". just because we were out played doesn't mean we were out coached. and one thing for absolutely sure! OUR GUYS AND COACHES DID NOT "CHOKE"! i've been in athletics all of my life and a lot of folks do not understand the importance of an athlete's mindset relative to competing in a game. its very difficult to explain on a message board and if you've never been an athlete at this level, you can't possibly understand it. i'm just gonna sum it all up by saying central was hungrier than we were for this win. now, that doesn't mean our guys weren't hungry to win this game, i'm absolutely sure they were. it just means we weren't as hungry as they were. for central, this game met "all or nothing". for us, it met "all or something". in other words "subconsciously" we had less to lose than they did. we lose, we're still champs. they lose, they get "nothing". add to that the fact that we'd beaten them 3 years in a row, they were "underdogs", and coach broadway gave them some bulletin board material ("we're going down there to kick their butts!"). and that explains to me the psychological edge that they had on us. on the other hand, we already had a share of the championship in our pockets, everybody was singing our praises because we were ranked nationally for the first time all season long, we were probably a tad bit "over confident" because we'd beaten them 3 years in a row including last year's "skunk" in greensboro 28-0. so in my mind, i know i would play as if there's no tomorrow if i knew losing that game meant getting "nothing" whereas winning that game meant winning a championship... Now that is understanding the game.
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Dec 3, 2014 19:50:24 GMT -5
Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Dec 3, 2014 19:50:24 GMT -5
So, NCCU was better that day but, if we play 10 times we win 7. In 7 out of those 10 hypothetical games we'd beat them, it would be because -A&T had nothing to lose in those games -NCCU absolutely sucks -There's nothing riding on the outcome ....but let there be something riding on the game where the outcome has significance. As I said before, DO YOU PLAY BIG IN BIG MOMENTS? This team had all the talent it needed to seal the deal.....their psyche just wasn't where it needed to be (players and coaches). We cannot be a mentally weak program if we expect to ascend to the top of the MEAC and be a legitimate FCS program. Honestly, I don't know how much coaching and practice you can do to correct this deficiency. YOUR TEAM DNA SIMPLY HAS TO HAVE THE "CLUTCH GENE".......we never had it. Here it is nearly 2 weeks later, and this damn game still hurts. This one is going to be with me for a while.....
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Dec 3, 2014 20:32:33 GMT -5
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Post by ohsixrain on Dec 3, 2014 20:32:33 GMT -5
I understand that as well but, everyone talk about how sorry Elon was...well, during that game we were down 12-10 with 7 mins. Momentum was with Elon and Cohen took it 80 yards for the score. Only difference in the Central game, he fumbled. But, you will never get me to say one bad thing about Cohen, we'll just live with the pain...but, damn it hurts. So, the end of game situations were very similar in Elon and Central. Our team will learn from this. There was an Eagle fan on MFZ saying that they were more battle tested than we were...not anymore.
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Post by oldschool on Dec 3, 2014 22:15:22 GMT -5
One of the things coach said was when he got here was ,he had to teach the team how to win , so in my mind that game was a part of the learning process . That was the first time they were playing in a championship level game . We all say all the time what we would do in a certain situation , but until we are put in that situation we really don't know how we will react . We have gotten better every year ,so i'm hoping that because of this loss and every loss we had this year , the team will develop that killer instinct , that mental edge that is so vital to a championship team .
Aggie Pride , all the time , and all the time , Aggie Pride
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Dec 3, 2014 22:39:34 GMT -5
Post by aggieepower1990 on Dec 3, 2014 22:39:34 GMT -5
I do not think any one thing caused use to loose that game. Nervous player not stepping up in the clutch, slow coaching adjustments, Quick did not play well, and the fact that Central played a heck of a game, almost perfect in terms of their defensive effort given our weapons. If Keys catches the pass, if Griffin's catch is ruled in bounds, and if Cohen doesn't fumble, we win by a large margin, Quick probably player of the year over McGhee and we go and whip Richmond and Coastal. it did not happen...this is my last though of that game. It hurts worse if you sat there and watched it knowing that it was the most important MEAC game since the Del State v. A&T game in '87? where Hooker hit Harbison for an 80 yd bomb to win in OT and win the MEAC outright. Before that the last AT v Central game of significance I think was '76 or 77? where Central beat A&T 16-14 at O'kelly on a last second field goal ( I was a Central ball boy). I am hurt because you can't ask for a better situation A&T v NCCU for the MEAC championship. All the years we expected a championship game with SCSU it has never happened. It will never get better than A&T V Central for the MEAC....WE DID NOT STEP UP WHEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY! I'done with it....WBB we need to you run the table in the MEAC!
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Dec 4, 2014 6:18:56 GMT -5
Post by durhamgsoaggie on Dec 4, 2014 6:18:56 GMT -5
- Kwashaun Quick's struggles at passing in the biggest moment of the season - Tarik Cohen's fumble on the NCCU 1-yard line right before scoring the game-tying TD in the 4th quarter - Denzel Keyes' struggles at getting open and a drop of a perfect pass from Quick inside the NCCU 10-yard line in the 4th quarter - Wes Cole and others not picking up Ty Brown's pass rush throughout the afternoon. - Xavier Griffin not being able to get a foot in-bounds on the crazy catch at the end of the 1st half - The defense not being able to recover the fumble in the red zone prior to NCCU's first TD. - Marquis Ragland's and Mike Neal's frustration after being constantly held by NCCU linemen with no calls - Tony McRae getting beat on outside WR screens over and over again - Kenny Melton completely losing contain on Malcolm Bell on the 37-yard TD run - Denzel Jones getting his limitations exposed all day at MLB - Angelo Keyes' mental error in jumping in at MLB to start the 3rd quarter - Khris Gardin fumbling on the punt return - Cody Jones struggling with his kicking
I've said it before.....championships are won before the season starts through preparation. They are lost through lack of execution and inability to adjust (injuries included). We saw it against NCCU. Our guys had a very good season. They just weren't mentally ready to get over the hump to make this a championship season. That mental edge is the next development step.
Every one of these players has something to drive them like crazy through their off-season workouts and spring ball based on the way the season ended. Some of these will take a while to get over today. I pray and hope that the painful moments of this season's conclusion push us to a championship level of preparation for the moment in 2015.
It just hurts for them to go through it right now....a far worse pain than anyone on this board is experiencing. That's manhood.
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Dec 4, 2014 7:50:54 GMT -5
Post by bigpeete1 on Dec 4, 2014 7:50:54 GMT -5
ENOUGH SAID, THANKS!
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Dec 4, 2014 9:25:18 GMT -5
Post by 4XLAGGIE on Dec 4, 2014 9:25:18 GMT -5
Before that the last AT v Central game of significance I think was '76 or 77? where Central beat A&T 16-14 at O'kelly on a last second field goal ( I was a Central ball boy).
That was '76 and I still say the field goal was wide right...
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Dec 4, 2014 10:14:16 GMT -5
Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 4, 2014 10:14:16 GMT -5
That was '76 and I still say the field goal was wide right...
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