@ProfBellamy
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Post by @ProfBellamy on Sept 2, 2014 9:38:04 GMT -5
I sent the "AD" an email yesterday voicing my concern in Reference to this RUMOR! He didn't have time to elaborate, (on his way to Orlando), but advised he we would talk off-line when he returns from Orlando, but he did share my concern particularly about: AGGIE PRIDE!The Reply I rec'd from AD Earl Hilton Maybe it's time we consider changing Conference, even though we are a Chartered Member, It may be time! WHAT SAY YOU BLUE DEATH VALLEY? ? I say start voicing you concerns to THE AD AND CHANCELLOR MARTIN, from the sounds of Earl's reply, we're are going with the majority! AGGIE PRIDE!I said it on Sunday.... our days are numbered in the MEAC. Going to a black college football championship game is counter to the goals of Preeminence 2020. Adding soccer, golf and bringing tennis back. So let's look at our conference options: - Big South
- Southern Conference
- Colonial Athletic Association
Not really great options, but eh... It's not like 5 schools from the MEAC and 4 schools from the SWAC + TSU are going to leave and form their own conference. The upside if we go to the SoCon, we can beat up on UNCG in conference basketball.
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Post by bluehaze on Sept 2, 2014 10:06:28 GMT -5
I enjoy playing on ESPN and the exposure that it brings. I'm sorry, but I think a post season bowl game is a good thing...
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Post by aggieman007 on Sept 2, 2014 10:09:56 GMT -5
Southern Conference would be the best choice.
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Post by B&GMM 80 on Sept 2, 2014 10:17:54 GMT -5
I enjoy playing on ESPN and the exposure that it brings. I'm sorry, but I think a post season bowl game is a good thing... But isn't CIAA & SIAC HBCU'S as well? So how can you CLAIM to be BLACK COLLEGE FOOTBALL CHAMPION! AGGIE PRIDE!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 2, 2014 11:23:42 GMT -5
before we can join a pwc conference, they have to invite us or accept us and that's easier said than done. i've never ever wanted to join a pwc conference and still don't. but if we go to a bcf championship game and forfeit our autobid to the playoffs, then i'm all for joining the big south or some other pwc conference if they accept us.
i just don't like only aligning ourselves with hbcu's relative to fcs football. i want to be sit at the same table as any other fcs pwc and if the only way to do that is to join a pwc conference, then so be it...
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Post by B&GMM 80 on Sept 2, 2014 12:10:06 GMT -5
before we can join a pwc conference, they have to invite us or accept us and that's easier said than done. i've never ever wanted to join a pwc conference and still don't. but if we go to a bcf championship game and forfeit our autobid to the playoffs, then i'm all for joining the big south or some other pwc conference if they accept us. i just don't like only aligning ourselves with hbcu's relative to fcs football. i want to be sit at the same table as any other fcs pwc and if the only way to do that is to join a pwc conference, then so be it... My response to him: via his last response: MY RESPONSE! Thank You for your prompt response! Great Win and Display of AGGIE PRIDE in Orlando this weekend at the MEAC-SWAC Challenge! I am proud of my "AGGIES" If this game was any indication of the proposed HBCU Championship, Ugh! MEAC 8 SWAC 2 This sound so much like the SWAC want us to become the Conference that they have become and save them to remain relevant, (what a step backwards) Ugh! Last email on this propose HBCU Championship, Have we as "AGGIES" thought about changing Conference's! We should propose a Poll to gauge interest! Thanks for all you for NCA&TSU! AGGIE PRIDE! That's it for me, I have voice my concern, and he replied, AGGIE PRIDE!
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Post by bluehaze on Sept 2, 2014 12:16:38 GMT -5
I enjoy playing on ESPN and the exposure that it brings. I'm sorry, but I think a post season bowl game is a good thing... But isn't CIAA & SIAC HBCU'S as well? So how can you CLAIM to be BLACK COLLEGE FOOTBALL CHAMPION! AGGIE PRIDE!
The same way the BCS has been claiming a National Champion for the past whatever years, without a playoff. Even now with this 4 team playoff only the top 5 Conferences are included. What about the other Division One schools in the nation? They are all playing for the opportunity to getr invited to a Bowl game. I see no difference...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 12:18:54 GMT -5
before we can join a pwc conference, they have to invite us or accept us and that's easier said than done. i've never ever wanted to join a pwc conference and still don't. but if we go to a bcf championship game and forfeit our autobid to the playoffs, then i'm all for joining the big south or some other pwc conference if they accept us. i just don't like only aligning ourselves with hbcu's relative to fcs football. i want to be sit at the same table as any other fcs pwc and if the only way to do that is to join a pwc conference, then so be it... My response to him: via his last response: MY RESPONSE! Thank You for your prompt response! Great Win and Display of AGGIE PRIDE in Orlando this weekend at the MEAC-SWAC Challenge! I am proud of my "AGGIES" If this game was any indication of the proposed HBCU Championship, Ugh! MEAC 8 SWAC 2 This sound so much like the SWAC want us to become the Conference that they have become and save them to remain relevant, (what a step backwards) Ugh! Last email on this propose HBCU Championship, Have we as "AGGIES" thought about changing Conference's! We should propose a Poll to gauge interest! Thanks for all you for NCA&TSU! AGGIE PRIDE! That's it for me, I have voice my concern, and he replied, AGGIE PRIDE!Interesting response. Do you mind sharing this on the MEAC forum?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 2, 2014 12:19:54 GMT -5
before we can join a pwc conference, they have to invite us or accept us and that's easier said than done. i've never ever wanted to join a pwc conference and still don't. but if we go to a bcf championship game and forfeit our autobid to the playoffs, then i'm all for joining the big south or some other pwc conference if they accept us. i just don't like only aligning ourselves with hbcu's relative to fcs football. i want to be sit at the same table as any other fcs pwc and if the only way to do that is to join a pwc conference, then so be it... My response to him: via his last response: MY RESPONSE! Thank You for your prompt response! Great Win and Display of AGGIE PRIDE in Orlando this weekend at the MEAC-SWAC Challenge! I am proud of my "AGGIES" If this game was any indication of the proposed HBCU Championship, Ugh! MEAC 8 SWAC 2 This sound so much like the SWAC want us to become the Conference that they have become and save them to remain relevant, (what a step backwards) Ugh! Last email on this propose HBCU Championship, Have we as "AGGIES" thought about changing Conference's! We should propose a Poll to gauge interest! Thanks for all you for NCA&TSU! AGGIE PRIDE! That's it for me, I have voice my concern, and he replied, AGGIE PRIDE!thanks for that info, bluegoldmachine. my "strong preference" is to remain in the meac. but we should not "limit" our brand solely to hbcu's only. i hope it doesn't come to us leaving the meac, but i rather join a pwc conference than exclude ourselves from the "national" fcs landscape...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 2, 2014 12:27:31 GMT -5
But isn't CIAA & SIAC HBCU'S as well? So how can you CLAIM to be BLACK COLLEGE FOOTBALL CHAMPION! AGGIE PRIDE!
The same way the BCS has been claiming a National Champion for the past whatever years, without a playoff. Even now with this 4 team playoff only the top 5 Conferences are included. What about the other Division One schools in the nation? They are all playing for the opportunity to getr invited to a Bowl game. I see no difference... in all due respect, bluehaze, to me the difference is that those other schools you mentioned don't have to be concerned with their "national brand" because they already have national "mainstream" recognition. whereas our beloved a&t doesn't. excluding our football program from the national playoffs pigeon wholes our program as "hbcu only", rather than an fcs hbcu. our school is "diversifying" and we compete against pwc fcs schools for the best students and professors, and corporate sponsorships. if we only spread our brand to hbcu's, it limits the exposure we gain from competing on the same platform as our pwc brethren. we need to be sitting at the same table as pwc's, not only athletically, but also "academically". to me, that's the difference...
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Post by bluehaze on Sept 2, 2014 12:52:21 GMT -5
in all due respect, bluehaze, to me the difference is that those other schools you mentioned don't have to be concerned with their "national brand" because they already have national "mainstream" recognition. whereas our beloved a&t doesn't. excluding our football program from the national playoffs pigeon wholes our program as "hbcu only", rather than an fcs hbcu. our school is "diversifying" and we compete against pwc fcs schools for the best students and professors, and corporate sponsorships. if we only spread our brand to hbcu's, it limits the exposure we gain from competing on the same platform as our pwc brethren. we need to be sitting at the same table as pwc's, not only athletically, but also "academically". to me, that's the difference... I don't see a post season football game on ESPN limiting exposure. I actually think that increases our exposure. We got a free three hour commercial on Sunday afternoon. What we do with that air time and how we represent ourselves is up to us. I've had multiple coworkers come up to me this morning and say they saw my school on TV. They don't know anything about the MEAC, SWAC, CAA, Big South or SoCo, but they got to see A&T on National TV. An HBCU Bowl game doesn't preclude us from continuing to schedule and play Coastal Carolina, Elon, Western Carolina, etc. in football, basketball, tennis or soccer. You can still compete and measure yourself against all competition. This would be a game that if marketed properly provides much more "exposure" than the 1AA playoffs could ever bring.
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Post by aggierattler on Sept 2, 2014 13:08:44 GMT -5
The SWAC is succeeding in pulling us into the abyss with them. This development is disheartening on so many levels...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 2, 2014 13:41:48 GMT -5
in all due respect, bluehaze, to me the difference is that those other schools you mentioned don't have to be concerned with their "national brand" because they already have national "mainstream" recognition. whereas our beloved a&t doesn't. excluding our football program from the national playoffs pigeon wholes our program as "hbcu only", rather than an fcs hbcu. our school is "diversifying" and we compete against pwc fcs schools for the best students and professors, and corporate sponsorships. if we only spread our brand to hbcu's, it limits the exposure we gain from competing on the same platform as our pwc brethren. we need to be sitting at the same table as pwc's, not only athletically, but also "academically". to me, that's the difference... I don't see a post season football game on ESPN limiting exposure. I actually think that increases our exposure. We got a free three hour commercial on Sunday afternoon. What we do with that air time and how we represent ourselves is up to us. I've had multiple coworkers come up to me this morning and say they saw my school on TV. They don't know anything about the MEAC, SWAC, CAA, Big South or SoCo, but they got to see A&T on National TV. An HBCU Bowl game doesn't preclude us from continuing to schedule and play Coastal Carolina, Elon, Western Carolina, etc. in football, basketball, tennis or soccer. You can still compete and measure yourself against all competition. This would be a game that if marketed properly provides much more "exposure" than the 1AA playoffs could ever bring. i respectfully disagree, bluehaze. 95% of all viewers for an "hbcu only" bcf game would be african american, how does that expand our brand to "diverse" audiences? how many pwc followers and more importantly fortune 500 executives would watch an "hbcu only" bowl game? very few, if any at all. and the only reason your co-workers probably saw us this past weekend is becasue our game was the "only college game" on espn at that time, whereas that won't be the case for a bcf championship game. i work for the irs in an office of close to 4,500 employees and not one single white person i know has mentioned to me that they saw my alma mater on tv. yet, i've got a&t paraphernalia hanging all over my office, everybody here knows i'm an aggie. sure, we could still play the ccu's and elon's of the world, but we'd only receive "regional" coverage at best (north carolina/south carolina) and those games would be deeemed "meaningless" relative to the fcs national landscape. hbcu's may not presently be winning playoff games, but at least we have to be accounted for by pwc's, whereas that's not the case if we forfeit our autobid. in the playoffs, opposing pwc's would be forced to watch our games in the event they would have to play us. not the case in a bcf game. i think when we market our brand "nationally", its important to reach a "diverse audience". we already have a national brand amongst hbcu's, not so amongst fcs pwc's which is a far more "lucrative" market. lots of executives, potential students, and professors watch football games and most of them can identify with pwc's. we totally erase ourselves from that national "diverse" audience when we remove ourselves completely from that landscape...
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Post by B&GMM 80 on Sept 2, 2014 13:58:13 GMT -5
My response to him: via his last response: MY RESPONSE! Thank You for your prompt response! Great Win and Display of AGGIE PRIDE in Orlando this weekend at the MEAC-SWAC Challenge! I am proud of my "AGGIES" If this game was any indication of the proposed HBCU Championship, Ugh! MEAC 8 SWAC 2 This sound so much like the SWAC want us to become the Conference that they have become and save them to remain relevant, (what a step backwards) Ugh! Last email on this propose HBCU Championship, Have we as "AGGIES" thought about changing Conference's! We should propose a Poll to gauge interest! Thanks for all you for NCA&TSU! AGGIE PRIDE! That's it for me, I have voice my concern, and he replied, AGGIE PRIDE!Interesting response. Do you mind sharing this on the MEAC forum? I prefer you contact the AD and ask your own questions and inquire from him if he minds if you share with MEAC Fan Forum, reason being, everyone at A&T may not share his seem ideas or beliefs. He will respond to your inquiry! Thanks! AGGIE PRIDE!
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Post by bluehaze on Sept 2, 2014 14:26:18 GMT -5
I don't see a post season football game on ESPN limiting exposure. I actually think that increases our exposure. We got a free three hour commercial on Sunday afternoon. What we do with that air time and how we represent ourselves is up to us. I've had multiple coworkers come up to me this morning and say they saw my school on TV. They don't know anything about the MEAC, SWAC, CAA, Big South or SoCo, but they got to see A&T on National TV. An HBCU Bowl game doesn't preclude us from continuing to schedule and play Coastal Carolina, Elon, Western Carolina, etc. in football, basketball, tennis or soccer. You can still compete and measure yourself against all competition. This would be a game that if marketed properly provides much more "exposure" than the 1AA playoffs could ever bring. i respectfully disagree, bluehaze. 95% of all viewers for an "hbcu only" bcf game would be african american, how does that expand our brand to "diverse" audiences? how many pwc followers and more importantly fortune 500 executives would watch an "hbcu only" bowl game? very few, if any at all. and the only reason your co-workers probably saw us this past weekend is becasue our game was the "only college game" on espn at that time, whereas that won't be the case for a bcf championship game. i work for the irs in an office of close to 4,500 employees and not one single white person i know has mentioned to me that they saw my alma mater on tv. yet, i've got a&t paraphernalia hanging all over my office, everybody here knows i'm an aggie. sure, we could still play the ccu's and elon's of the world, but we'd only receive "regional" coverage at best (north carolina/south carolina) and those games would be deeemed "meaningless" relative to the fcs national landscape. hbcu's may not presently be winning playoff games, but at least we have to be accounted for by pwc's, whereas that's not the case if we forfeit our autobid. in the playoffs, opposing pwc's would be forced to watch our games in the event they would have to play us. not the case in a bcf game. i think when we market our brand "nationally", its important to reach a "diverse audience". we already have a national brand amongst hbcu's, not so amongst fcs pwc's which is a far more "lucrative" market. lots of executives, potential students, and professors watch football games and most of them can identify with pwc's. we totally erase ourselves from that national "diverse" audience when we remove ourselves completely from that landscape... IMO, I think you are overrating the coverage and exposure generated by the FCS Playoffs. Not all of the matchups are televised and if they are its on ESPN Classic, or ESPN 3. Who is really watching those games? After BCU, SCSU and TnSU were eliminated, who here can honsetly say they watched another playoff game? I don't even remember who made it to the Championship. I'm not saying we should automatically remove ourselves from the playoffs, but I would like to see the proposal before saying I'm against this Bowl Game. All FBS Conferences have bowl tie-ins. From the SEC down to the Sun Belt, they all play to go to Bowl Games. I see this as no difference.
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