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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Feb 13, 2014 18:11:15 GMT -5
I respect what Coach Hayes was able to accomplish with Aggie Football during his tenure. That said, I've also had conversations with non-engineering professors who were around doing the Hayes era. The difference between the Hayes approach to academics and Broadway's approach under Hilton is miles apart.
I honestly don't believe that Hayes could have functioned as well as a recruiter under the APR environment. I believe that academic piece (aside from money) is one of the big reasons that WSSU moved back to Division II. And with APR headed to DII soon.... it won't be long before Coach Hayes retires from WSSU, IMO.
I say that to say... celebrate Coach Hayes and his accomplish for us in his era, but let's try not to compare Hayes with Coach Broadway because they're operating in two substantially different eras.
But if you absolutely can't resist comparing the two.... Coach Hayes didn't win his first MEAC championship until his 4th season....
Just sayin'...
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Post by noexcuses on Feb 13, 2014 19:39:18 GMT -5
sometimes our coaches see something in recruits that others don't see. you can't always rely on who else offered recruits as a basis of how good they are because good talent often goes unnoticed, especially if they are "undersize". for example, hardly anybody went after an "undersized" rb named cohen last year, but look at how he turned out? meac rookie of the year, 1st team all meac rb, broke a&t's all time rushing record for freshmen. betcha a bunch of schools now regret not going after cohen last year, dude didn't even make the east/west all star game coming out of high school. gorham was undersized too, but he can play. so i tend to take the wait and see approach. this kid khris gardin is also "undersize", but i'm not gonna prejudge because i trust our coaches. i don't think our coaches would've went after him if he couldn't play. a lot of schools would look the other way when it comes to a kid like gardin merely because of his size (5'8", 160lbs). i haven't seen any video on him, but without even seeing him play, i betcha dude is talented. since i'm stuck here at home in the snow, i'll see if i can find some video on this kid... Do You think we would have Cohen If He Had Been just as Fast,just as Strong,3 Inches Taller And 25 lbs heavier?? No!! He's a Super talent and WE were his best Offering Option. Each yr. SC St and BCook get 2-3 recruits at that Next level,but We close that Gap with Better Coaching.
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Post by numberonebrave on Feb 13, 2014 20:24:47 GMT -5
(When you look at some of the new CAA schools (the old SoCon) we actually got the better of them this year especially folks like App and Elon in terms of quality in filling needs and upgrading our talent level)..............Based on what?
Based on what?I am just saying when I read that a player picked A&T over LR, I wonder, or the db from Hoke co say he considered UNC-P,WSSU, and Wingate BUT PICKED A&T, I wonder. My focus was less on App State and more on the schools we play as schools we need to out recruit. Therefore, I like to see that we out recruited SC State for OL Mack..Are you saying Cohen did not have one FCS OFFER? Gardin looks good on film and by no means am I picking on him, I just wonder why we are the only FCS OFFER. As for the stars, when we get kids with stars you talk about it, when we don't we talk about fitting in the system or some other less clearly define variable. At one point someone wanted Blake Greene(qb) to be signed, now I read he is talking about walking on at a d-3 school. But I do agree it is results(not stars or who recruited you) that count...
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Post by numberonebrave on Feb 13, 2014 20:32:41 GMT -5
(I was listening to Colleges Sports radio yesterday while stuck in the snow storm for five hours and I wasn't shocked to hear only a paltry 32% percent of these so called 4- star and 5-star guys pan out as meaningful starters to the schools they sign with out of high school. A even greater percentage leave their originl school and end up somewhere much less glamourous outside of the power conferences. They are not all what they may be cracked up to be.)
Elon has one of thoses players in their recruiting class...see below
Defensive lineman Marquise Wright 6-3 300 (Englewood, N.J./Paramus Catholic/Rutgers University) will have two seasons of eligibility remaining for the Phoenix. He is already enrolled at Elon. Wright red-shirted at Rutgers in 2011 and played in one contest in both 2012 and 2013. Prior to heading to Rutgers, Wright was a two-way lineman for coach Chris Partridge at Paramus Catholic High School. As a senior he tallied 52 tackles, including 19 for a loss, and forced two fumbles. That year he posted 8.5 sacks. Rated a four-star recruit by both Scout.com and Rivals.com and a three-star recruit by ESPN, Wright earned All-Bergen County First Team honors by both the Star-Ledger and the Bergen Record. Rivals.com listed Wright as the 14th-best defensive tackle in the nation, the fourth-ranked recruit in New Jersey and the No. 149 overall recruit nationally. He was also a Rivals250 team member. ESPN.com ranked Wright as the No. 31 defensive tackle in the nation while SuperPrep Magazine tabbed him the 14th-rated prospect in New Jersey coming out of high school. Marquise is the son of Regina Spearman.
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Post by kb31 on Feb 13, 2014 21:56:57 GMT -5
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Feb 13, 2014 22:10:27 GMT -5
sometimes our coaches see something in recruits that others don't see. you can't always rely on who else offered recruits as a basis of how good they are because good talent often goes unnoticed, especially if they are "undersize". for example, hardly anybody went after an "undersized" rb named cohen last year, but look at how he turned out? meac rookie of the year, 1st team all meac rb, broke a&t's all time rushing record for freshmen. betcha a bunch of schools now regret not going after cohen last year, dude didn't even make the east/west all star game coming out of high school. gorham was undersized too, but he can play. so i tend to take the wait and see approach. this kid khris gardin is also "undersize", but i'm not gonna prejudge because i trust our coaches. i don't think our coaches would've went after him if he couldn't play. a lot of schools would look the other way when it comes to a kid like gardin merely because of his size (5'8", 160lbs). i haven't seen any video on him, but without even seeing him play, i betcha dude is talented. since i'm stuck here at home in the snow, i'll see if i can find some video on this kid... Do You think we would have Cohen If He Had Been just as Fast,just as Strong,3 Inches Taller And 25 lbs heavier?? No!! He's a Super talent and WE were his best Offering Option. Each yr. SC St and BCook get 2-3 recruits at that Next level,but We close that Gap with Better Coaching. If Tarik Cohen was 5'10", 190 lbs and ran a 4.3 40.... he wouldn't be at App, for sure.... so it's really a waste of time speculating on stuff like that. I'm just glad that our coaching staff was the only FCS one that had enough sense to offer him a scholarship. I feel the same way about Gardin. He's like a Cohen at WR. Speed... and production. It's the other FCS school's loss. SCSU is $13 million in the hole, and their academic situation is a mess. Going forward, I'm not worried about beating them out for the type of kids that we want. BCC and FAMU SHOULD be getting better talent than us, because there are too many fast kids down in FL for the big schools to sign all of them. But we did sneak 2 CBs out from down there in this class. Again, it's about the type of kids that we want. A lot of times, the kids that we want have talent and grades, but may not have been coached as well at the HS level for the other FCS schools to take note of.... but they fit our academic profile. We've had a few of those guys. Now that we have our full allotment of scholarships available, we're able to red-shirt those guys and allow them the extra development needed to grow on the football field and progress academically. We do a good job of identifying those kids, apparently. We beat BCC like a drum in 2011. We beat SCSU in 2012. We were 16 points away from being 11-0 last year... including the 5-point loss to SCSU. There's no indication that SCSU will be better than they were last year. Rebuilds should take 5 years. We're 5 games over .500 after 3 years. We have 35 honor roll students. We got the kids that we wanted that fit our profile. We finally got a QB for the present and 2 for the future. My advice.... relax.... March 10th will be just around the corner....
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Post by AggieGroove on Feb 14, 2014 8:46:50 GMT -5
Do You think we would have Cohen If He Had Been just as Fast,just as Strong,3 Inches Taller And 25 lbs heavier?? No!! He's a Super talent and WE were his best Offering Option. Each yr. SC St and BCook get 2-3 recruits at that Next level,but We close that Gap with Better Coaching. If Tarik Cohen was 5'10", 190 lbs and ran a 4.3 40.... he wouldn't be at App, for sure.... so it's really a waste of time speculating on stuff like that. I'm just glad that our coaching staff was the only FCS one that had enough sense to offer him a scholarship. I feel the same way about Gardin. He's like a Cohen at WR. Speed... and production. It's the other FCS school's loss. SCSU is $13 million in the hole, and their academic situation is a mess. Going forward, I'm not worried about beating them out for the type of kids that we want. BCC and FAMU SHOULD be getting better talent than us, because there are too many fast kids down in FL for the big schools to sign all of them. But we did sneak 2 CBs out from down there in this class. Again, it's about the type of kids that we want. A lot of times, the kids that we want have talent and grades, but may not have been coached as well at the HS level for the other FCS schools to take note of.... but they fit our academic profile. We've had a few of those guys. Now that we have our full allotment of scholarships available, we're able to red-shirt those guys and allow them the extra development needed to grow on the football field and progress academically. We do a good job of identifying those kids, apparently. We beat BCC like a drum in 2011. We beat SCSU in 2012. We were 16 points away from being 11-0 last year... including the 5-point loss to SCSU. There's no indication that SCSU will be better than they were last year. Rebuilds should take 5 years. We're 5 games over .500 after 3 years. We have 35 honor roll students. We got the kids that we wanted that fit our profile. We finally got a QB for the present and 2 for the future. My advice.... relax.... March 10th will be just around the corner.... Agree with everything you said...wish our ardent fans would see it for what it is and stop being so critical....our program is definitely on the right track!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 14, 2014 11:40:46 GMT -5
sometimes our coaches see something in recruits that others don't see. you can't always rely on who else offered recruits as a basis of how good they are because good talent often goes unnoticed, especially if they are "undersize". for example, hardly anybody went after an "undersized" rb named cohen last year, but look at how he turned out? meac rookie of the year, 1st team all meac rb, broke a&t's all time rushing record for freshmen. betcha a bunch of schools now regret not going after cohen last year, dude didn't even make the east/west all star game coming out of high school. gorham was undersized too, but he can play. so i tend to take the wait and see approach. this kid khris gardin is also "undersize", but i'm not gonna prejudge because i trust our coaches. i don't think our coaches would've went after him if he couldn't play. a lot of schools would look the other way when it comes to a kid like gardin merely because of his size (5'8", 160lbs). i haven't seen any video on him, but without even seeing him play, i betcha dude is talented. since i'm stuck here at home in the snow, i'll see if i can find some video on this kid... Do You think we would have Cohen If He Had Been just as Fast,just as Strong,3 Inches Taller And 25 lbs heavier?? No!! He's a Super talent and WE were his best Offering Option. Each yr. SC St and BCook get 2-3 recruits at that Next level,but We close that Gap with Better Coaching. that's my whole point. a lot of coaches dismissed cohen as a valid fcs recruit whereas ours didn't. like i said, sometimes our coaches see something in recruits that others don't see. i think the same may go for khris gardin. when i looked at his video, i saw a rather small player just like cohen who has good speed. but what i also noticed is that he's tough as nails (just like cohen) for a small guy. he gets out there as small as he is and "blocks" folks, he blocks field goad attempts, he plays defense as well as offense. yet, a lot of coaches would overlook this guy because of his size, but ours didn't and that's my whole point...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 14, 2014 11:56:59 GMT -5
(When you look at some of the new CAA schools (the old SoCon) we actually got the better of them this year especially folks like App and Elon in terms of quality in filling needs and upgrading our talent level)..............Based on what? Based on what?I am just saying when I read that a player picked A&T over LR, I wonder, or the db from Hoke co say he considered UNC-P,WSSU, and Wingate BUT PICKED A&T, I wonder. My focus was less on App State and more on the schools we play as schools we need to out recruit. Therefore, I like to see that we out recruited SC State for OL Mack..Are you saying Cohen did not have one FCS OFFER? Gardin looks good on film and by no means am I picking on him, I just wonder why we are the only FCS OFFER. As for the stars, when we get kids with stars you talk about it, when we don't we talk about fitting in the system or some other less clearly define variable. At one point someone wanted Blake Greene(qb) to be signed, now I read he is talking about walking on at a d-3 school. But I do agree it is results(not stars or who recruited you) that count... you do understand that there's not an fcs school in the state who hasn't recruited a kid who was also being recruited by d2 schools, correct? i wouldn't make a big deal out of who else offered our recruits, its really not that big of a deal. cohen wasn't even on the map as far as rivals.com was concerned, dude didn't have not one single star from rivals. look at wallace miles, one of our all time best wr's (now playing pro ball in canada), he didn't get any fcs offers out of high school. on the other hand, larry raper had an offer from clemson came to a&t with high expectations and look at how he turned out? so you just can't look at who else recruited guys, it really doesn't mean that much...
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Feb 14, 2014 13:24:52 GMT -5
It's all about how well your recruting staff can evaluate talent. Thats why you see some 1, 2 and no star players on major FBS teams
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Post by noexcuses on Feb 14, 2014 14:55:26 GMT -5
It's all about how well your recruting staff can evaluate talent. Thats why you see some 1, 2 and no star players on major FBS teams All this being said-NOexcuses now for half of season COLLAPSES with Spring Practice,full# of scholarships,better 2014 recruits (as many of U attest to)And Superior COACHES.
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Post by daddyaggie on Feb 14, 2014 15:37:59 GMT -5
It's all about how well your recruting staff can evaluate talent. Thats why you see some 1, 2 and no star players on major FBS teams All this being said-NOexcuses now for half of season COLLAPSES with Spring Practice,full# of scholarships,better 2014 recruits (as many of U attest to)And Superior COACHES. Remember.... it takes one or two years to see the average signee on the field. We can't expect to be in the championship just because we have all of or restrictions forgiven. It takes time to build a team that lasts. If we allow the coaches to do it their way, we will have a program that competes for years not one year. Becoming too aggressive leads you back to having restrictions. I will keep saying this. When Broadway recruited my son, we had visits scheduled to Coastal, G Web and a few unofficial visits. After visiting A&T, he didn't want to go anywhere else. Coastal's coach called three times during our meeting that Sunday when Broadway made the offer. Don't sell A$T short. They put on a good show when the recruits come up. The history if above all is phenomenal. We came up and signed on Feb 2. That is a historical date and it happens every year around signing and recruiting. We are on the way up. Not already up. Please fasten your seatbelts.....
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Post by marchingband1969 on Feb 14, 2014 16:18:21 GMT -5
All this being said-NOexcuses now for half of season COLLAPSES with Spring Practice,full# of scholarships,better 2014 recruits (as many of U attest to)And Superior COACHES. Remember.... it takes one or two years to see the average signee on the field. We can't expect to be in the championship just because we have all of or restrictions forgiven. It takes time to build a team that lasts. If we allow the coaches to do it their way, we will have a program that competes for years not one year. Becoming too aggressive leads you back to having restrictions. I will keep saying this. When Broadway recruited my son, we had visits scheduled to Coastal, G Web and a few unofficial visits. After visiting A&T, he didn't want to go anywhere else. Coastal's coach called three times during our meeting that Sunday when Broadway made the offer. Don't sell A$T short. They put on a good show when the recruits come up. The history if above all is phenomenal. We came up and signed on Feb 2. That is a historical date and it happens every year around signing and recruiting. We are on the way up. Not already up. Please fasten your seatbelts..... Thank you daddyaggie for adding a dose of reality to this recruiting conversation. I know it's great to say we got a player that some big school wanted but in the end, that's not what's important. What's important is does that player have the ability to fill a specific need our team has? Wins and championships are the ultimate goal not thumbing our noses at other schools because we got some 16 year old to play ball here. I really think we have the coaching staff to win championships and build a solid program here. Let them do what's necessary to field a winning team and stop second guessing them.
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Post by daddyaggie on Feb 14, 2014 17:02:10 GMT -5
Remember.... it takes one or two years to see the average signee on the field. We can't expect to be in the championship just because we have all of or restrictions forgiven. It takes time to build a team that lasts. If we allow the coaches to do it their way, we will have a program that competes for years not one year. Becoming too aggressive leads you back to having restrictions. I will keep saying this. When Broadway recruited my son, we had visits scheduled to Coastal, G Web and a few unofficial visits. After visiting A&T, he didn't want to go anywhere else. Coastal's coach called three times during our meeting that Sunday when Broadway made the offer. Don't sell A$T short. They put on a good show when the recruits come up. The history if above all is phenomenal. We came up and signed on Feb 2. That is a historical date and it happens every year around signing and recruiting. We are on the way up. Not already up. Please fasten your seatbelts..... Thank you daddyaggie for adding a dose of reality to this recruiting conversation. I know it's great to say we got a player that some big school wanted but in the end, that's not what's important. What's important is does that player have the ability to fill a specific need our team has? Wins and championships are the ultimate goal not thumbing our noses at other schools because we got some 16 year old to play ball here. I really think we have the coaching staff to win championships and build a solid program here. Let them do what's necessary to field a winning team and stop second guessing them. Very true. I had this conversation with several OL and DL players. It doesn't matter what happened in HS. The collegiate level is so much faster. Every once in a while you may get a Cohen, but the average player needs to be coached up. Without coaching, they will fail. Some and most of the athletes acquired by A&T are good athletically, but may come from a region where coaching and playing are not as good as others have received. The program a kid comes from is very important and means a world of difference. Some HS coaches can't teach collegiate techniques because they only do what's required (the minimum) and that’s attending the state training during the East/West game. Broadway and staff can take a kid and coach them up. These big schools will tell a kid that it will take two years to coach them up to speed and they don't want to spend the resources to do that. I can only speak for me, but we have had two schools call back and ask if he's (my son) is happy. There are so many variables from playing ability to just being able to click with a coach who has to vouch for you after a skill session and a three minute conversation.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 14, 2014 22:06:16 GMT -5
in my opinion, i think what jacked out ranking up was the fact that we signed not one, but "two" franchise quarterbacks. one for the present, one for the future. not to mention we have "3 shrine bowlers" in this recruiting class which is pretty good...
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