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Post by DOOMS on Dec 2, 2007 22:10:45 GMT -5
Mistake #1: D1 experience.
We could have literally paid half as much and gotten twice as much in experience, just not on the d-1 scale. Delaware's coach came from d-3. He won a national championship in his second year. Yeah, he doesn't have budgetary constraints like we do but he had EXPERIENCE. Before you ask, we had at least one d-3 coach that was interested and had d-1 experience as a coordinator. His team has played for a national championship in the past 10 years on the d-3 level. Somebody that now works over in the education department but can't spell well was made aware of this and shunned him. You'd have to ask her why but I think it had to do with a 1950s reverse-segregation type of thinking.
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Post by aggiechamp on Dec 2, 2007 22:25:56 GMT -5
Dooms, I agree with what you say but that does not change the fact that the criteria that we selected dictated the person that we got. We could have gotten lots of proven coaches at lower levels D2,D3 for less money. We could have gotten coaches from D1AA for the same or less money. We didn't. We/Dee/Renick determined the criteria and Fobbs met them. We/fans shouldn't blame Fobbs for his lack of experience. As they say, I have seen the enemy and it is me. Don't know if that is grammatically correct and I'm to tired to care.
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Post by Gator on Dec 2, 2007 22:26:01 GMT -5
You all are killing me... ha, ha, ha
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 2, 2007 22:34:44 GMT -5
champ, I'm somewhat in the same frame of mind as you. I don't blame Fobbs for being hired. I do think the hiring criteria was wrong and I pitched a fit when the names of the persons that applied were kept secret. Others didn't agree at the time but I think now unfortunately they see what I was complaining about. WE didn't determine the criteria. That was Dee's call, and it was wrong.
We can blame Fobbs for hiring assistants and putting them just as far in over their heads as he is. He has had two years to hire some mentors to help them all and help himself and he hasn't. That failure is on him and him alone. We can cry about not having money but I seem to remember a certain contract that didn't have to be signed until he agreed to all the terms. I also remember a defensive coordinator that left two games into the season and was never replaced. What happened to that money?
Poor decision-making.
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Post by aggiechamp on Dec 2, 2007 22:45:35 GMT -5
I don't know Fobbs but it appears that he is either going to fail or succeed doing what he believes. He apparently believes that he has made the right choices. Time will prove him right or wrong. For our sake, I hope that he is right.
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Post by Aggie77 on Dec 3, 2007 8:41:43 GMT -5
Time has already proved him wrong, the question now is not how much time but how wrong!!
PS: The Program is worst than it was two years ago.
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Post by bluedeath91 on Dec 3, 2007 11:25:35 GMT -5
Our program is in worst shape than 5 years ago: 2002: Hayes 4-8 2003: Small 10-3 (Thanks Bill) 2004: Small 3-8 (Damn we need some Players) 2005: Small 3-8 (Damn we need a Budget) 2006: Fobbs 0-11 (We are working from the bottom up) 2007: Fobbs 0-11 (We a horse breaks his leg, Shoot it)
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Post by aggie75 on Dec 3, 2007 14:51:49 GMT -5
We are in better shape now. At the end of 2005 we were on a five game losing streak and didn't have enough players to have a spring game.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 3, 2007 14:55:32 GMT -5
Help me out. Now we're on a 27 game losing streak and we don't know who will come back. How's that better?
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Post by Gator on Dec 4, 2007 20:18:40 GMT -5
If you use the criteria of wins and loses only then yes, one would question that shape the program is in.
A lot of the comments posted about the status of the program being on the up side is based on competitiveness.
So yes, we are better off than we were at the end of 2005.
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Post by jaffejoffa on Dec 4, 2007 21:44:01 GMT -5
I think alot of yall are confusing last year (fobbs 1st year) with 2005 (if Im not mistaken we did manage to get a few wins and compete in most games)... We havent won a game in 2 years under our current leader. When that point is examined, all positives, if any, should not even be entertained. We lost key players this year to transfer and academics. Going 0-11 in consecutive years has never done anything for program continuity in the history of athletics. I am sure that we will see some other "key" losses to grades, transfer etc. as we approach spring ball. He could get away with blaming 2006 on Small and staff, but this year was the tell-tell of his true coaching ability. You just dont "lose" the majority of your games in the 4th quarter off of pure luck or the ball not bouncing the right way. 98% of the problem was coaching moves, and personel logistics. The fact that no attempt has been made to hire an experienced Offensive Coordinator, Defensive Coordinator, Special Teams Coach, and QB Coach is mind boggling to even the most casual fan. Football consist of 3 facets (off, def, spec teams) and we have inexperienced coaches in everyone. There is no way that we can win with that. I see us winning a few games next year off of pure talent, but we will underachieve due to coaching incompetence.
-The sign of a great, or even good coach, is taking players that should underacheiv and are not as talented and turning them into a consistent winner. I thought that we had just as much talent as Norfolk St this year (they didnt impress me), but could not ever get an organized, thought out, planned scheme developed. I still cannot believe that we will be entering the 2008 season with the same exact, unexperienced staff ...Is Fobbs content with mediocrity ?
-The firing of Dee Todd, affirmed that Fobbs has underachieved and is in hot water. He must make bold changes to prove to Battle that he is serious about turning the program around and righting this ship. Fobbs, If you dont have the balls or heart to fire one of your coaches, then you're in the wrong profession. You knew before accepting that 170K, that college football is one of the most demanding, unfair jobs in all of sports, and that you would be poised to make some decesions that may hurt peoples feelings and uproot some lives. Unfair, yes, but it is part of the landscape, and makeup of your chosen profession. I feel that we have been misled, bamboozled and hoodwinked.
-- Your Royalness, Jaffe'
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 4, 2007 21:49:55 GMT -5
I can only imagine what this newsletter is gonna be like in January 08. LOL
You need to call that joint the "I Hate Fobbs Gazette"
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Post by jaffejoffa on Dec 4, 2007 22:29:24 GMT -5
Born,
Beside from the fact that we are Aggies and love our school and tradition . why should we support the product that Fobbs is putting out there? Why should people give their hard earned money to a program that is not doing the appropriate things to turn things around. People wanna help and support those that help and support themselves. Fobbs is a sinking ship.
Thought :Is there a way that we can do a live chat like ESPN does with coaches and players and have Fobbs come on here and address concerns ? As long as the content of the questions is fair and respectful of course. I think that he at least owes true fans that. Not many people have stuck by his side after 0-22, and even care enough to discuss the state of Aggie Sports on a message board.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 5, 2007 0:04:06 GMT -5
I don't think Fobbs would have a problem doing an interview for this site - he has always been accommodating in the past- but there aint no way in (profanity) I would ask him to do a live chat right now with some of you clowns. There's a lot of grown people around here who suddenly act like 10 year olds when they get behind a computer. I understand that everyone is upset about the winless season and have lost total faith in Fobbs as a head coach, but if you guys are not man enough to look him in the eye and voice your criticism to him face to face, you should just let your good friends at BDV.com handle all the information gathering.
I have no interest in inviting Fobbs to an ambush.
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Post by Gator on Dec 6, 2007 15:41:13 GMT -5
I disagree with Jaffe!
It's important to support progress (going from being non-competitive to competitive) when you don't have any clear cut guarantees coming in from anywhere, and just a bunch of rhetoric coming from folks on this board.
None of us here can guarantee a win(s) with our opinions and thoughts.
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