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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 2, 2007 17:56:05 GMT -5
Is this program better off than it was two years ago?
Reading the conversation between aggiechamp and jaffejoffa made me wonder that.
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Post by jaffejoffa on Dec 2, 2007 18:42:56 GMT -5
We will lose our top 2 receivers next year. If I was a coach of another team, I'd put ten in the box to stop Ferg. Hampton played all Freshman this year and still finished in the middle of the pack in the MEAC. Thats what good coaching will get you. Aside from some small guys and a few skill guys, none of Fobbs players have done anything on the field. Who has Fobbs brought in that has made a HUGE impact? Besides Thornton, what guys that have come in as freshman have proven to be a talent ? We were still among the worst 5 teams in team defense, before AggieChump brings up Big Rob, Croley, DB juco Transfers .
-Who am I to judge these guys. I think that they are good players, but I just dont think that they are being developed in the right way and put in the right positions to make plays.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 2, 2007 18:49:04 GMT -5
Fobbs brought in Kelvin Jackson who is a beast at nose guard.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 2, 2007 18:50:49 GMT -5
BTW: We have lost 27 straight games. Obviously no one on the squad has had a "huge" impact.
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Post by jaffejoffa on Dec 2, 2007 18:53:20 GMT -5
He is Yikes Wilson's nephew, cousin or something like that, as is JJ.. But granted, I'll give you Jackson since Wilson is apart of the staff. My point exactly, one player. We need to bring in multiple "beast" yearly.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 2, 2007 18:56:14 GMT -5
That will be easy to do. Especially when blue chippers factor in that we haven't won in game in 2 and half years.
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Post by jaffejoffa on Dec 2, 2007 19:02:43 GMT -5
Exactly. Change brings renewed energy.
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Post by aggiechamp on Dec 2, 2007 20:38:38 GMT -5
Absolutely, if you mean the two years that Fobbs has been here. You only have to look at the number of games that we had the potential to win this year and compare that with the number that we had the potential to win in Fobb's first year. Or, look at the number of games that we were competitve in this year as opposed to last year. Truly, there is no comparison. Before people start to cuss me out and insult my intelligence, for people who are not old enough to remember, Dean Smith was hung in effigy at Carolina his first few years there because of the poor progress of the program, Coach K was roundly criticized his first few years at Duke and Mack Brown went 1-10 his first two years at Carolina. I'd say those guys turned out to be pretty good coaches.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 2, 2007 20:52:17 GMT -5
Didn't know that about Mack Brown. Good trivia.
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Post by dj98 on Dec 2, 2007 20:52:33 GMT -5
(Fobbs brought in Kelvin Jackson who is a beast at nose guard.)
No one on our D-Line is a beast..............
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 2, 2007 20:56:22 GMT -5
You obviously haven't watched Kelvin Jackson play. Don't late your hate for Fobbs affect you ability to recgonize talented players.
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Post by jaffejoffa on Dec 2, 2007 21:09:37 GMT -5
All of these guys you mentioned had experience with running programs. Coach K successful at army. Mack Brown was OC at oklahoma, and a head coach at APP st and Tulane. They had what it took and had the experience to turn a program around. They had a proven track record for success. Fobbs lacks that. Next.
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Post by aggiechamp on Dec 2, 2007 21:35:47 GMT -5
Mike Tomlin head coach steelers-- no head coaching experience
Tubby Smith Bears no head coaching experience before being appointed head coach.
Mike Shula-- bengals no head coaching experience
Point is, there are plenty of examples of individuals with no head coaching experience that became head coaches. I agree that it is preferable for people to work their way up to the head coach position. If you are old enough, you will realize that that does not always hold true. I'm sure if I looked hard enough, I could find position coaches who turned out to be decent head coaches at some level.
The point of my examples is that sometimes it takes time for an individual to produce. I also believe that a coach should be given at least four years to turn around a program. At least, that is what all these head coaches who take over failed programs say. Let me get mu recruits into the program and then judge me. For better or worse, that is what we bought into with Fobbs.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 2, 2007 21:56:06 GMT -5
Did any of those guys have coordinator experience?
Were any of those guys made head coach and coordinator simultaneously?
Did any of those guys spend the majority of their time coaching in short stints on teams with losing records?
I said from day one that we brought Fobbs into a bad situation. It wouldn't be as bad if he made half as much. It wouldn't be as bad if he'd brought some experienced coordinators. It wouldn't be as bad if he was about 20 years younger. It wouldn't be as bad if he had anything in his resume to lean on. Unfortunately, none of that is the case.
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Post by aggiechamp on Dec 2, 2007 22:04:58 GMT -5
Probably all of them. It would have been better if he had been a coordinator and transitioned to head coach. A coordinator with a D1 program probably wouldn't have been interested in the head coach position because of the money. So if you wanted a person with D1 experience you get a position coach. Even at that, Fobbs made as much if not more as a position coach than our fired head coach.
I say give Fobbs at least until next year when he will have a majority of his people and upperclassmen. If we don't win then, I'll entertain the fire Fobbs movement.
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