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Post by DECKS on Aug 12, 2013 11:31:32 GMT -5
I think we may need some policy reviews after the last 2 known incidents involving Mays and Kindle. Ironically both are seniors and both are from Atlanta? Why are athletes permitted to live off campus, especially football players who probably have a higher incidence rate? Curfews?
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Post by Aggie One on Aug 12, 2013 11:36:51 GMT -5
Only problem with your defacto theory on a Broadway's responsibilty Peete is both Mayes and Kindle were recruited and signed by Alonzo Lee. Mayes had been in Broadway's doghouse since mid season last year before his arrest which just took him out of the equation anyway and Kindle is still suspended for his DWI.
And yes, NCAA random drug testing is mandatory for all D-1 schools. All athletes are tested at least twice during their season and once in the offseason. Individual policies on how postive results are handled are left up to the schools. Go and pull the A&T letter of intent form off the university website and it clearly states that a athlete that tests positive will be suspended and a second occurence within the same one year time frame of a year will result in dismissal from the program.
Criminal activity is governed by the sanctions set by the UNC system and the University's disciplinary policy.
I don't know what else you want any coach to do unless you want to change the school's testing and suspension policy which is totally out of the hands of any of the coaches and the AD but of that of the chancellor and the Board of Trustees.
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Post by bluehaze on Aug 12, 2013 12:34:41 GMT -5
Only problem with your defacto theory on a Broadway's responsibilty Peete is both Mayes and Kindle were recruited and signed by Alonzo Lee. I agree with you, Aggieone. If the coach recruits high risk kids (arrests in high school, bad grades, suspensions, transfered because of disciplinary acts at prior school...), then that coach should take responsibility. In this instance, Broadway is working with the hand that he was dealt.
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Post by bluehaze on Aug 12, 2013 12:38:36 GMT -5
I think we may need some policy reviews after the last 2 known incidents involving Mays and Kindle. Ironically both are seniors and both are from Atlanta? Why are athletes permitted to live off campus, especially football players who probably have a higher incidence rate? Curfews? Because they aren't indentured servants. Is there any college in the nation that has across the board curfews and dorm requirements for their athletes? If anything, they get special treatment not restrictions. We wouldn't be able to recruit anybody to come play for us. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water because of a DUI and one thug.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 12, 2013 12:43:30 GMT -5
Granted Dr. Martin and Mr. Hilton can't just point fingers. But, if Coach Broadway isn't accountable for the football program, who is? I don't think you can carve out an exception when something bad happens. 77, of course broadway is responsible for the overall football program. nobody is saying that he is not. but he cannot and should not be held accountable for the actions of every single player on the football team " 100% of the time". should roy williams be disciplined for the actions of pj hairston? how can roy williams predict and/or prevent hairston's incident from happening? these things happen at pretty much every college, let's not go overboard. now, if drug dealing is "rampant" on the team, then i'd have a problem with the coach. but there's no evidence that that's the case. again, college students do dumb stuff and no one can be a body guard for every college student. its the responsibility of the coach to be a good role model, set a good example, develop teenagers to become men, lay down the law when necessary, and that's about it. he cannot be a body guard for 100 football players...
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Post by Bigboy on Aug 12, 2013 12:48:24 GMT -5
Kindle might be on suspension but he has been practicing since day one. All the 7 on 7 drills that they have been running in practice has Quick as #1 QB and Kindle as #2, and actually Kindle has been looking good with his passing accuracy. I don't think Mayes will be missed that much because we have other LB's that are capable of stepping right in and getting the job done. When the door closes on one player that same door opens for another player.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Aug 12, 2013 12:56:00 GMT -5
I agree that someone on the team probably knew this fool was selling dope but that "anti-snitch" rule is strong within our community. When I thought about me at that age, I know why no one on the team said anything. There's a lot of "stuff" going on around you when you're in college (some illegal and some immoral) but as a 19 or 20 year old you figure if you're not directly involved in it, no harm no foul. I'm sure some players on the team knew or heard rumors about this kid and figured that as long as they didn't have anything to do with it, it wasn't their problem. Now us alums think someone should have spoken up. But we have the benefit of a few years of extra life experiences to help us make decisions.
As I see it, this is an excellent "teaching opportunity" for the coaching staff. It's too bad this kid was stupid enough to think he could sell drugs but his stupidity will help 89 other players to learn a valuable lesson...don't waste your opportunities! Let's hope they learn that lesson without experiencing it themselves.
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Post by saabman on Aug 12, 2013 13:31:51 GMT -5
Granted Dr. Martin and Mr. Hilton can't just point fingers. But, if Coach Broadway isn't accountable for the football program, who is? I don't think you can carve out an exception when something bad happens. The Head coach and his staff are always healed Accountable for the players on the team Evan if he did not recruit a player/players.. Also their is a unspoken code on most teams that players have that you don't give up a brother . It's a shame but that's jugs the way it is. A@T is not the only program with that is having problems with drug's from dealing to using. Kids now days have more avenues to do and get thing's that we could not have are do . Weed was the drug back in the day and if you where a big player the Whitehorse and alittle blow, and Acid/LSD. Some of you are acting like Scott Hall was drug free. Hale if you knew the right people (Some of them where on the FootBall, BasketBall and even the Track Team ), you never had to leave the dorm, just walk to the other side and go back to your room....lol So git off your high horse's Ok . Drug's and collage dorms go hand and hand. This is just a kid that got cought but,( He as not been found Guilty yet), So we should just waite and see what the out come is.
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Post by Aggie77 on Aug 12, 2013 13:58:18 GMT -5
Granted Dr. Martin and Mr. Hilton can't just point fingers. But, if Coach Broadway isn't accountable for the football program, who is? I don't think you can carve out an exception when something bad happens. 77, of course broadway is responsible for the overall football program. nobody is saying that he is not. but he cannot and should not be held accountable for the actions of every single player on the football team " 100% of the time". should roy williams be disciplined for the actions of pj hairston? how can roy williams predict and/or prevent hairston's incident from happening? these things happen at pretty much every college, let's not go overboard. now, if drug dealing is "rampant" on the team, then i'd have a problem with the coach. but there's no evidence that that's the case. again, college students do dumb stuff and no one can be a body guard for every college student. its the responsibility of the coach to be a good role model, set a good example, develop teenagers to become men, lay down the law when necessary, and that's about it. he cannot be a body guard for 100 football players... See, you are trying to draw caveats, it's his program, he's accountable for 100% of all actions (good or bad) of coaches and players 100% of the time. Accountable is not the same a responsible. Lefty Driesell wasn't responsible for Len Bias' death but he was held accountable, same for Roy Williams, same for Rod Broadway. Whatever happens within the confines of Aggie Football is a direct reflection of his leadership, policies, procedures, checks and balances, etc. What does his contract say?
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Post by mthollyaggie98 on Aug 12, 2013 14:22:06 GMT -5
Kindle might be on suspension but he has been practicing since day one. All the 7 on 7 drills that they have been running in practice has Quick as #1 QB and Kindle as #2, and actually Kindle has been looking good with his passing accuracy. I don't think Mayes will be missed that much because we have other LB's that are capable of stepping right in and getting the job done. When the door closes on one player that same door opens for another player. Is there a possibility for Kindle to play in the App State game? I see us with a slight chance of winning this game with him in lieu of Quick, however I am not sure what message it would send if Kindle started. Has an official announcement been made with regards to Kindle's suspension and duration?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 12, 2013 14:25:35 GMT -5
77, of course broadway is responsible for the overall football program. nobody is saying that he is not. but he cannot and should not be held accountable for the actions of every single player on the football team " 100% of the time". should roy williams be disciplined for the actions of pj hairston? how can roy williams predict and/or prevent hairston's incident from happening? these things happen at pretty much every college, let's not go overboard. now, if drug dealing is "rampant" on the team, then i'd have a problem with the coach. but there's no evidence that that's the case. again, college students do dumb stuff and no one can be a body guard for every college student. its the responsibility of the coach to be a good role model, set a good example, develop teenagers to become men, lay down the law when necessary, and that's about it. he cannot be a body guard for 100 football players... See, you are trying to draw caveats, it's his program, he's accountable for 100% of all actions (good or bad) of coaches and players 100% of the time. Accountable is not the same a responsible. Lefty Driesell wasn't responsible for Len Bias' death but he was held accountable, same for Roy Williams, same for Rod Broadway. Whatever happens within the confines of Aggie Football is a direct reflection of his leadership, policies, procedures, checks and balances, etc. What does his contract say? so what are you saying? coach should be reprimanded for the actions of 2% of his squad? what about the other 98%? what happens within the football program "off the field" is not a "direct" reflection of coach broadway's leadership. are you suggesting that broadway condones drug dealing? apparently you are since you believe everything that happens within the confines of aggie football is a "direct reflection" of coach broadway. i'd like to see you account for 100 college students 24/7 year round. its easy for you to make such a statement as a bdv poster, but i dare say you can't control the actions of 100 football players 24/7 365 days a year no matter how many controls you put in place...
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Post by trues on Aug 12, 2013 14:30:39 GMT -5
One thing broadway can do is make all the players stay on campus.You will have better control in there personnel life and have policies in place to better control traffic coming in and out of there rooms. There is no way the linebacker could have a businessmen selling cocain if that policy was put in place
Its not a 100 guarantee but you must admit its a lot better then allowing them to go off campus where there is no controls of what so ever.
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Post by ohsixrain on Aug 12, 2013 14:57:17 GMT -5
Well, I'll add my 2 cents...the best thing of all is this happened prior to the start of training camp. Can you imagine the media circus had this happened mid-season? Second, to blame Broadway for the actions of this young man is non-sense. Broadway has laid his blueprint for A&T's football program. Now, we all know that there will be a few that don't follow that plan. Is that his fault...I say, no! You try and help the ones that you can if their troubles don't lead them to jail. Outside of that, it's unreasonable to expect anything more out of a coach. We sound like republicans blaming Obama for everything they can think of...come on, now!
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Post by Aggie77 on Aug 12, 2013 15:04:12 GMT -5
See, you are trying to draw caveats, it's his program, he's accountable for 100% of all actions (good or bad) of coaches and players 100% of the time. Accountable is not the same a responsible. Lefty Driesell wasn't responsible for Len Bias' death but he was held accountable, same for Roy Williams, same for Rod Broadway. Whatever happens within the confines of Aggie Football is a direct reflection of his leadership, policies, procedures, checks and balances, etc. What does his contract say? so what are you saying? coach should be reprimanded for the actions of ppl2% of his squad? what about the other 98%? what happens within the football program "off the field" is not a "direct" reflection of coach broadway's leadership. are you suggesting that broadway condones drug dealing? apparently you are since you believe everything that happens within the confines of aggie football is a "direct reflection" of coach broadway. i'd like to see you account for 100 college students 24/7 year round. its easy for you to make such a statement as a bdv poster, but i dare say you can't control the actions of 100 football players 24/7 365 days a year no matter how many controls you put in place... Don't change the narrative. Where did I say anything about reprimand or disciplinary actions. We either agree or agree to disagree that he's 100% accountable. It's your assumption that it's 2%. What if its 10%, 15% or 30%? I don't see how accountability changes with the percent of players breaking rules/laws? Who's accountable as the percent changes?
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Post by bigpeete1 on Aug 12, 2013 15:31:30 GMT -5
AGGIE ONE--- SCHOLARSHIPS ARE RENEWABLE EVERY YEAR.
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