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Post by bluehaze on Sept 9, 2010 7:06:51 GMT -5
This thread assumes that Dr. Martin knows who Rick Ross is. IMO, bad assumption. One last thought about this situation. After having to pull an artist off of last year's show, I would assume he would be heavily involved in the selection of this year's artist. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. If he didn't have an active hand in the process, then it's even worse...
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 9, 2010 8:49:34 GMT -5
Here's what's on the A&T website: www.ncat.edu/~newsinfo/homecoming/2010/events.html#students** Homecoming Music Concert Greensboro Coliseum, 1921 West Lee Street, Greensboro, NC 27403 Welcomes "The Light Dreams and Nightmares Tour" Starring Drake, Rick Ross, J. Cole, Chrisette Michele, and Cali Swag District Presented by AT&T Tickets: $27.50 (limited) & $31.50 A&T Students - A&T ID Required Regular Admission: $34.50 & $39.50 Time: 7:30 PM **Disclaimer: May contain possible explicit content
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 9, 2010 8:54:03 GMT -5
So after all the press conferences and official statements and meeting with his committee of advisers ... Martin has solved this whole popular music vs. moral integrity issue by just adding an asterisk next to the concert description. That was easy!
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Post by bseballaggie on Sept 9, 2010 9:38:47 GMT -5
Question, are baby boomer's hypocrites??, the generation was one of hardest partying, rebellious, drug, and alcohol using generations to date. Hell!! who's running the nation?? I don't condone much of what is represented in hip hop and many of our parents didn't condone our generational rebellions. We changed society, Hip Hop is a sunami, it will stop when the kids decide to stop, (you adults keep squawking), it has a black face but its the Caucasian money thats driving it, we need to embrace and educate more of these guys to become legit businessmen and give back to the black communities, become owners of NBA teams, NFL teams, Invest in and Build fortune 500 companies. All the needs that Black universities have could be financed by some of these guys, you have hypocrites talking and spending the money gotten from behind the scene LLC"S, HELL sell Jay Zee the blank spots on the score board or have him build a hotel on the campus. You can hate and debate scrutinize and complain the world is what it is and money is being spent. GOT MILK?? or better yet milk money!!
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Post by aggiebred09 on Sept 13, 2010 14:34:47 GMT -5
It is not the Job of the Chancellor to delegate who or what is to be done during homecoming. Last year was a fire and Dr. Martin put it out. Now there is no fire and yall are standing around with matches. Come on folks.
Entertainment is a generational pleasure. Enjoy the glorification of Sex, and Alcohol at the Alumni show and let the students enjoy the continuation of what that created at their show. You cant have your good time at "The Hole in the Wall" then turn your nose up at "Big Meech or Larry Hoover". Its one in the same.
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Post by captaggie on Sept 13, 2010 17:18:19 GMT -5
In response to aggiebred9 statement about its not the chancellor's job ...
From UNC-GA, Code, Chapter V Section 502D:
Subject to any policies or regulations of the Board of Governors or of the board of trustees, it shall be the duty of the chancellor to exercise full authority in the regulation of student affairs and student conduct and discipline. In the discharge of this duty, delegation of such authority may be made by the chancellor to faculty committees and to administrative or other officers of the institution, or to agencies of student government, in such manner and to such extent as may by the chancellor be deemed necessary and expedient.
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Post by aggiebred09 on Sept 15, 2010 17:17:50 GMT -5
In response to aggiebred9 statement about its not the chancellor's job ... From UNC-GA, Code, Chapter V Section 502D: Subject to any policies or regulations of the Board of Governors or of the board of trustees, it shall be the duty of the chancellor to exercise full authority in the regulation of student affairs and student conduct and discipline. In the discharge of this duty, delegation of such authority may be made by the chancellor to faculty committees and to administrative or other officers of the institution, or to agencies of student government, in such manner and to such extent as may by the chancellor be deemed necessary and expedient. From UNC-GA, Code, Chapter V Section 502D: My brother... Keep Reading.... ".....In the discharge of this duty, delegation of such authority may be made by the chancellor to faculty committees and to administrative or other officers of the institution, or to agencies of student government, in such manner and to such extent as may by the chancellor be deemed necessary and expedient." ... So as I said the Chancellor did his job. (Delegate roll to SGA not pick the artists) But a fire was created (09 SGA President) and he put it out (Removed NC A&T from the show).... Now there's nobody complaining about Rick Ross, except you guys, who haven't been to concert since they dropped the Mother Ship in Moore Gym.... (Yes..George Clinton... Dont remember too many gospel songs from him only drugs, sex and phunk) I'm not sticking up for the man, but I'm just saying... Do you want him to focus on Athletics or Academics or Development or a Homecoming show that created a little internet buzz?
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Post by Maxell on Sept 15, 2010 20:47:01 GMT -5
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Post by DECKS on Sept 16, 2010 0:19:51 GMT -5
This thread assumes that Dr. Martin knows who Rick Ross is. IMO, bad assumption. One last thought about this situation. After having to pull an artist off of last year's show, I would assume he would be heavily involved in the selection of this year's artist. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. If he didn't have an active hand in the process, then it's even worse... I totally agree as I believe he's being incredibly hypocritical. You don't do an about-face like this without some form of explanation.
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Post by Aggie77 on Sept 16, 2010 7:52:53 GMT -5
So as I said the Chancellor did his job. (Delegate roll to SGA not pick the artists) But a fire was created (09 SGA President) and he put it out (Removed NC A&T from the show).... Now there's nobody complaining about Rick Ross, except you guys, who haven't been to concert since they dropped the Mother Ship in Moore Gym.... (Yes..George Clinton... Dont remember too many gospel songs from him only drugs, sex and phunk)I'm not sticking up for the man, but I'm just saying... Do you want him to focus on Athletics or Academics or Development or a Homecoming show that created a little internet buzz? Who's complaining about Rick Ross? You missed the point if that's what you gathered from the discussion. This whole thing is about allowing Gucci Mane or Rick Ross, or who-the-P-Funk-ever to perform. Apparently you are sticking up for the man if you agree with this obvious reversal from such a hard-line public stance just a year later and that you think the Chancellor did his job. Granted it was media generated, but if the media dogs come biting again where does the Chancellor stand, or is he blowing in the wind, that’s the issue, not what I was going in the Moore Gym janitor’s closet 30 years ago to the beat of "Give Up The Funk". It appears that the Chancellor lacked the foresight to understand that this wasn’t a onetime issue or he forged a solution based on political pressure, neither is good. This is what results in the hypocrite tag. You might want to read last year’s thread on this issue to catch up? bluedeathvalley.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=campus&action=display&thread=5230&page=1
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Post by aggiebred09 on Sept 20, 2010 17:10:21 GMT -5
Aggie 77 what you fail to realize is that Homecoming as you remember it is gone and yes this was a one time issue.
Now in as much as the University plans a week of events to entertain the Student Body and reaclimate Alumni for one weekend, it is a revenue driver for the University and SGA. Yes the Chancellor made a bold statement in attempting to align artists with the core values of the University, and that was a mistake on his part. But to tag him a hypocrite because the students pleaded all summer to keep the headlining artists because of the revenue it provides for SGA is a farce...
Im not in line with all Martin has/is doing but its enough people pointing thier finger of blame and not opening thier pocket of resources. I guess until your the Chancellor we will be lost. Hell he's an Alumn and was the top choice for you all since 1997.
Homecoming is a reflection of the Student Body and Alumni, not the ideals of the Institution. That's what should have been communicated and thats what we all need to realize. Unless were signing 5 figures over to Martin for SGA then we can only stand on our soap box and type.
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Post by Aggie77 on Sept 20, 2010 20:04:57 GMT -5
How I remember Homecoming - not the issue being discussed A week of University planned events - not the issue being discussed A revenue driver for the University and SGA - not the issue being discussed Not opening their pocket of resources - not the issue being discussed He's an Alumnus and was the top choice for you all since 1997 - not the issue being discussed As you pointed out this goes back to the P-funk All-Stars and before. How is this a onetime issue, if the moral compass hasn't moved? The issue, and it's now obvious you don't know what the issue is, is you can't come waving the moral flag against Gucci Mane one day, and then stand on the corner with Rick Ross the next day passing a 40 back and forth. I will ask again who is complaining about Rick Ross, or were you just blinded by your support for Chancellor Martin on this issue? Here’s what he said. allhiphop.com/stories/news/archive/2009/10/07/21969517.aspx"The headliners booked for our student concert have generated dissonance among our student leaders and our constituents," Chancellor Martin said. "This dissonance has provoked internal discussion and policy reviews which are both necessary and welcomed and which will undoubtedly make us better as a university community.” Because Gucci’s contract was already signed and over 6,000 tickets have been sold, he will be able to perform during the homecoming festivities, which takes place October 31. But, after several meetings, A&T has officially withdrawn all support and any association with the concert, due to Gucci Mane’s appearance. “We have agreed with the promoter to remove the name of North Carolina A&T State University from the event,” Chancellor Martin revealed. “While this does not absolve us of our connection to the event, it allows us, within our limited options, to take a moral stand while we simultaneously honor our legal obligations.” You're almost there with this comment, but began to spew out random thoughts of subterfuge. Yes the Chancellor made a bold statement in attempting to align artists with the core values of the University, and that was a mistake on his part. But to tag him a hypocrite because the students pleaded all summer to keep the headlining artists because of the revenue it provides for SGA is a farce... . . . and what you fail to realize is that as Chancellor he took a moral stand on a very public and controversial issue, and a year later he’s silence on the issue regarding a similar artist. Do I need to provide the definition of hypocrite?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2010 23:15:04 GMT -5
I personally don't care if Dr. Martin is a hypocrite on this issue.
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Post by natedizzle on Sept 21, 2010 12:40:58 GMT -5
J. Cole, Chrisette Michele, and Cali Swag District? ?? I'm getting old. Who the He!! are they?
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Sept 21, 2010 13:23:12 GMT -5
You got know Chrisette Michele kind of urban soul. I am 42 and like her music. Sort like Kareen Bailey Rae ?
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