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Post by ohsixrain on Aug 8, 2010 8:26:12 GMT -5
No, no, no...I just want an answer to my question that I posed. That's all...not a rationale for what happened. So, please answer the question.
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Post by blessedaggie84 on Aug 8, 2010 8:54:56 GMT -5
Okay, okay....I thought about it and maybe I'm being too harsh. But, I have a quick question for all band heads out there. Now here goes...if you had your own band and you were one week into band camp with a competition being your first performance against the likes of SCSU, FAMU, SHAW, NCCU and JCSU; would have a pool party for your band? Just curious... To answer your question, no no no no no I wouldn't have a pool party or anything like that in the middle of band camp. The only way i would allow anything like that is if my band had a field show completed from top to bottom and it was damn near perfect in the first week of full band camp. I marched in the machine also and the most we got was a cookout the evening before school started. Aggie9195 IF the legion did not want to show that 08 battle then i dont blame them. We had camera men also and they did tape it, we can always ask why the 09 battle hasn't been put out either. A&T got their tails handed to them we need to ask were that tape is also. I am an Aggie through and through but we have to be fair about a tape and a suppose blowout. I am not taking sides on anything just want to make a fair statement.
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Post by Aggie One on Aug 8, 2010 9:05:00 GMT -5
As a non band head, I don't have a dog in this fight over kids swimming or not so I feel I can be objective.
I'll give just my own personal observation in dealing with and managing large groups of people that must perform as a unit at a high level.
Just from a motivational and morale standpoint and a business prospective, if you drive people to the edge on consistent basis as everyone says about the band should be every day in band camp, then smart leadership will allow for a short respite for R&R to take the edge off.
How things were done 5-10 years ago does not necessarily translate well into using a cookie cutter approach that will work forever and you can just plug in different people with the same tactics year after year.
Band Directors are no different than football or basketball coaches, They have to assess their units, what works best with this year's group and not get caught up in this was the way I did it last year or the years before that and so it must continue to be done that way.
Has hard driven as Alonzo Lee is, he understands that a little off time can be a good thing so his team can rest their minds and bodies a bit and keep their heads together.
Why do you think they practice in the morning or at night inside the stadium now and football is far more taxing physically than band camp could ever hope to be.
I don't see Dr. Ruff as being any different. If you see the potential to have something really special on the field then you work it carefully and not recklessly.
I mean look at it this way. None of us would cut grass on a large yard in the middle of the day with a 105 degree heat, index seven days a week, ten hours a day unless you just want a heat stroke to show how tough you are.
You can't do too much bragging about that fact from the back of an ambulance with an oxygen mask on your face and your body packed in ice and headed to an indefinite and extended hospital stay.
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Post by ohsixrain on Aug 8, 2010 10:21:52 GMT -5
I'll say this...Greensboro is not the only place in the United States where it is scortching hot, but band camp is still going. Well, let me just say this...I think decisions like this brings alot of frustration from the ole school A&T band heads. Just like blessedaggie84 stated, if they have a show all together and ready to go there is no way you do this. We're talking ONE week into band camp. Then when our band gets destroyed by other bands they get mad when folk let them know about it. No excuse fellas...I'm sorry.
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Post by Gator on Aug 8, 2010 11:26:32 GMT -5
sounds like a premature conversation to me. Sometimes change is good! You'll never know until you try it.
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Post by Aggie One on Aug 8, 2010 11:32:07 GMT -5
My point exactly. Not every situation is identical from year to year in any organization but folks are pretty much creatures of habit and its difficult for affect change even in a changing environment because that is what people have been accustommed to by cnditioning of the estasblished mind set.
We talk so much about the problem with retention of upperclassmen members, you first must begin by examining your operational and training methods as why there is problem in the first place.
In order to keep pace with the competition, a company or in this case, a band camp, must evolve and adapt its training methods to keep pace or to even gain an edge.
Ultimate success in any competitive venture is determined by executing strong strategic planning well in advance and not just by just hard core discipline alone. The vision has to be set for the long term goal and not for immediate results because that is often short lived and soon forgotten.
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Post by Aggie9195 on Aug 8, 2010 12:45:15 GMT -5
Hey Blessed, I am just talking a little junk before the battle in Richmond! I catch it everyday at work from my students in the legion.
You are gonna let me have my FUN! ;D
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Post by blessedaggie84 on Aug 8, 2010 14:07:32 GMT -5
Aggie9195 have your fun. I dont wanna take that away at all.
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Post by ohsixrain on Aug 8, 2010 16:06:15 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong...change is good and I'm not trying to rain on the glass is half full rationale you bring forth...BUT! There is no substitute for hard work...they'll be plenty of time to party but you put your work in now. As the saying goes..."you do what you gotta do now so you can do what you wanna do later!" I do believe some of the band's shortcomings in the past has been from not working as hard as it could've. That comes back to bite...HARD! See NORFOLK '09.
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Post by neal on Aug 9, 2010 7:34:19 GMT -5
Lights out= blow out? come on now! I guess you were all to eager to come to the defense of you beloved legion but if you're going to quote some one then use their words and not your intepretation. It could save us a lot of typing and discussion. Futhermore, the home band always tape the battle be it lights out or blow out. Again, funny how it never got released! And, I have heard from several peeps in the legion that said Sanford did not want the footage out their for the public to see. So there is a tape somewhere! Maybe its in the same box with the infamous FAMU 1998 tape! Maybe the famu tape is in the same place as you all 2009 band brawl tape.
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Post by treese on Aug 9, 2010 8:00:19 GMT -5
Lights out= blow out? come on now! I guess you were all to eager to come to the defense of you beloved legion but if you're going to quote some one then use their words and not your intepretation. It could save us a lot of typing and discussion. Futhermore, the home band always tape the battle be it lights out or blow out. Again, funny how it never got released! And, I have heard from several peeps in the legion that said Sanford did not want the footage out their for the public to see. So there is a tape somewhere! Maybe its in the same box with the infamous FAMU 1998 tape! Maybe the famu tape is in the same place as you all 2009 band brawl tape. Nope, no one has jumped up and down on it and burned it..like that 1998 tape...
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Post by Bigboy on Aug 9, 2010 8:49:49 GMT -5
I heard the band practicing on Sat. morning and they sound really good for it being so early in camp. The numbers looked about the same as last year. Only saw about 10 tubas but I don't think everyone was at practice yet when I saw them.
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Post by ohsixrain on Aug 9, 2010 9:37:12 GMT -5
Yeah...the other tubas were probably getting ready for the pool party.
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Post by treese on Aug 9, 2010 9:45:20 GMT -5
Yeah...the other tubas were probably getting ready for the pool party. lol.................lol!!! Yo ohsixrain...you were right "alot" of upperclassmen did not return to the band.
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Post by ohsixrain on Aug 9, 2010 10:34:23 GMT -5
That's what I'm saying...they can't keep them retained in the band. See, the band sounds good now because everybody is pumped up that band camp has started. But, once the newness wears off, then see what you got.
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