2009-2010 N.C. A&T Men's Basketball Roster

[aahhbigboy]

Aug 21, 2009 9:16:55 GMT -5 thefriscotxaggie said:

This could be a smart move by Eaves. I guess the real evaluation will be how Porter does this year.

Hears my take on his thought process: Bring in a freshman let him play his first year and fight for time in the rotation. If he proves that it was the right decision to let him play as a true freshman you continue (i.e. Marc Hill). If they should have probably been redshirted as a freshman (Brock Morman) you take the redshirt going into their sophmore year. At least you know the specific things the players needs to improve upon and you take the year to accomplish that.

With the addition of a new post player (Upchurch) and a new swing player (Witter); Shepard and Morman became the most likley canidates.

From what I saw last year Nick Simpson & Williams could fit into the same catogory; however, that would have left us only three active guards on the roster.

Could be way off base just my opinion. Any other thoughts ?

You can't be serious.

You are clearly just trying to rationalize Eaves bringing in players that can't play. Think about it. That's all you're saying. While he's "testing" his freshman, coaches who have a clue are winning the MEAC. Just think about it for a minute.

Have you ever in your life heard of a coach doing something like this?

Exactly.

But in all honesty. I respect Eaves for doing that. The grimy coaches, like Hunter, would just take the kid's scholarship. At least Eaves can realize he's made a mistake and give the kids a shot (at least at a degree). Two thumbs up to Eaves for that. You know I'm the first one to kill Eaves on the bball tip, but that shows a lot of integrity. Straight up.

[oleschoolaggie]

i dunno bigboy, i don't see it that way. sometimes when you have multiple players who play the same positions and do similar things, you wind up sitting somebody who's just as good as the two guys who play ahead of him. so you redshirt one of them so that you can take advantage of his abilities the following year when you're not as deep at his position.

for example, porter can help the team more this year than he would have last year. so last year eaves gave kam the minutes instead who was probably as productive as porter would have been. but now, porter can help the team more this year instead of splitting minutes with kam, while kam redshirts with two years of eligibility left.

with moorman, eaves probably figures he's got multiple guys that can do what moorman does. why have him sit most of this year and basically lose a year of eligibility, when he can redshirt and come back next year (after alston, joshua, and johnson graduate) when his abilities are needed more.

i don't think its an integrity thing that eaves keeps these guys around. i'm sure if eaves felt that one of his recruits cannot help the team during their four years, he'd release him from his scholarship just like collins does at wssu...

[thefriscotxaggie]

Bottom line; Witter, Smith & Upchurch will have siginifgant time on the floor this year. And I think most people on this Board are excited to see them.

There are certainally aspect of their (Shepard & Morman) game that they can improve on and this sort stops the clock for them. Hopefully Moreman & Shepard take the year to improve and return when they could be key to the rotation.

From all the early reports it sounds like this will be Porter's most succesful year. He could be vital for the team this year. There are not to many 6/10 guys in the MEAC with his size and according to reports I guess he is still only like 20 years old.

I guess Porter is the guinea pig for this strategy again personally I think this could be a very smart move by Eaves. Yea it sort puts a player at a crossroads. Player could say no and you part ways or they could take the year to improve. At the end of the red shirt year you probably evaluate the player again and the role they would play on the team.

[numberonebrave]

There are certainally aspect of their (Shepard & Morman) game that they can improve......talk about an understatement

[aahhbigboy]

Oldeschool/Frisco,

Here is where I think you guys are just being irrational fans instead of looking at this with a logical, sensible basketball mind. No one with any level of past or current success employs or has ever employed this strategy.

So why do you think that because Eaves is doing it.....it's now a good idea? These players are below-average talent. When they come off redshirts, they'll still be behind because they aren't going to play over a guy like Witter if he proves to be solid. This is clearly a way for Eaves to make these guys go away without disrespecting them or their families of which he now knows personally.

I mean, really guys........c'mon. You really can't be serious. And if that isn't enough........name one player that you can think of that came off a redshirt (non medical) their sophomore year or beyond and made a significant contribution. You can't do it on any level!!

C'mon guys.

[aggieman007]

Bigboy

Roy Williams

Red shirt Will Graves so he could get stronger?

[aahhbigboy]

Aug 23, 2009 16:01:39 GMT -5 aggieman007 said:

Bigboy

Roy Williams

Red shirt Will Graves so he could get stronger?

Bad Info.

Will redshirted his freshman year. That happens all the time. That is not what we're talking about here.

[aggielaw]

Can you say Curtis Hunter!

[thefriscotxaggie]

aahbigboy,

As I said earlier Porter is the guinea pig for this strategy. I could be wrong but I suspect he will start at center and log signigant minutes. So I guess you have to look no furthur than our own team.

But as I said before this certainally puts a player at a crossroads. So I will give you that. And if they dont improve I am sure Eaves would not hesitate to take action.

Just because its not a widely used practice does not mean that it does not have merit. Look at this way maybe Shepard & Morman should have been redshirted last year. But maybe we needed the additional bodys. At least in Shepard's case he did log signifgant minutes. Sometimes its late in life with a kids body catches up to his potential. I think it would be unfair to make a call on Morman since we only saw a few short moments. And most freshman at larger schools dont even make it on the court and are probably redshirted their freshman year.

But again if you redshirting after you freshman year for non-medical reasons it has to be one of four things.
*academics
*immature physically or mentally
*coach made upgrades at your position and you are on the clock for improvment / too many players at the same position
*just smart personnel move from the Coach (as in the case of Porter although he still is only like 20 years old and is probably just know ready for his big body)

The good news is that I think we all will agree that this class of recruits is Eaves best class as a hold. And based on that the program should build upon last years success.

[aggiejazz]

It is not highly unusual to red shirt a player his/her sophomore year but a lot of times it has more to do with other things beside how well a person played his or her freshman year.

[Aggie One]

It's done in college football programs quite a bit.

[cnixon79]

Again, i think peolpe are sleeping on the the last freshman signed Adrian Powell. Reports from coaching staff is that he's looks impressive thus far in the week long pick up games. Don't be surprised if he's the most productive freshman.

[oleschoolaggie]

Aug 25, 2009 8:16:57 GMT -5 cnixon79 said:

Again, i think peolpe are sleeping on the the last freshman signed Adrian Powell. Reports from coaching staff is that he's looks impressive thus far in the week long pick up games. Don't be surprised if he's the most productive freshman.

okay, cnixon. your credibility is on the line. you've been pumping up ya boy before he had even set foot on campus. i'm sure everybody here hopes you're right, but come back and tell me "you told me so" when camp opens or better yet, when the season starts. then we'll know if he's as good as you advertise.

you've got to understand that we've had recruits to come up in here highly acclaimed only to sit the bench and hardly get noticed during their freshman year. so we've heard that, done that, many times before.

but nobody hopes you're right about your guy more than me! so we'll see...

[cnixon79]

I understand, I not saying he's All MEAC as a freshman. I'm saying be careful about leaving him out of the conversations of tatented freshmans on the team. Only time will tell. AP must get little stronger, but talent wise he holds his own, as reported.