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Post by SixtiesAggie on Nov 25, 2008 13:48:42 GMT -5
I believe mid January will be about the right time to make a good assessment or evaluation of this team's players (talent) and their potential to win the MEAC.
We have seen Eaves now for six years, so his evaluation started the day he accepted the job. Are we on this board now advocating extending that evaluation period another 2-4 years. By now, we should know a lot about Eaves and his ability to coach.
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Post by Maxell on Nov 25, 2008 14:31:14 GMT -5
I believe mid January will be about the right time to make a good assessment or evaluation of this team's players (talent) and their potential to win the MEAC. Mid-January? Please. MEAC? Please. As far as the players go, it doesn't take but a game or two to evaluate talent. The only thing that mid January gets you is a look at other MEAC schools which is not my concern. We are a Division I basketball school, therefore we should be evaluated as such not just within the conference. That doesn't mean we have all the resources we need now but at least we should be measured with that yardstick. We've been in Division I for 30 freaking years. I'm so tired of the chitlin' circuit mentality. If we can play within 5 points of UNLV for 32 minutes with an injured starter, we are two game changer-type players from beating them. Use that as the yardstick. Will the team improve as the season goes on? Of course, but so will every other team. As Eaves himself says, if you can't make shots you can't win games. We should be building a team for the NCAA tournament not for the MEAC tournament.
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Post by Aggie77 on Nov 25, 2008 15:17:27 GMT -5
I believe mid January will be about the right time to make a good assessment or evaluation of this team's players (talent) and their potential to win the MEAC. Mid-January? Please. MEAC? Please. As far as the players go, it doesn't take but a game or two to evaluate talent. The only thing that mid January gets you is a look at other MEAC schools which is not my concern. We are a Division I basketball school, therefore we should be evaluated as such not just within the conference. That doesn't mean we have all the resources we need now but at least we should be measured with that yardstick. We've been in Division I for 30 freaking years. I'm so tired of the chitlin' circuit mentality. If we can play within 5 points of UNLV for 32 minutes with an injured starter, we are two game changer-type players from beating them. Use that as the yardstick. Will the team improve as the season goes on? Of course, but so will every other team. As Eaves himself says, if you can't make shots you can't win games. We should be building a team for the NCAA tournament not for the MEAC tournament. What he said (as modified)!!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 25, 2008 16:55:29 GMT -5
Mid-January? Please. MEAC? Please. As far as the players go, it doesn't take but a game or two to evaluate talent. The only thing that mid January gets you is a look at other MEAC schools which is not my concern. We are a Division I basketball school, therefore we should be evaluated as such not just within the conference. That doesn't mean we have all the resources we need now but at least we should be measured with that yardstick. We've been in Division I for 30 freaking years. I'm so tired of the chitlin' circuit mentality. If we can play within 5 points of UNLV for 32 minutes with an injured starter, we are two game changer-type players from beating them. Use that as the yardstick. Will the team improve as the season goes on? Of course, but so will every other team. As Eaves himself says, if you can't make shots you can't win games. We should be building a team for the NCAA tournament not for the MEAC tournament. What he said (as modified)!! i disagree that we should be building for the ncaa tournament. if winning the meac tournament is a prerequisite to competing in the ncaa tournament, why would you get ahead of yourself if you can't even win the meac tournament? we beat depaul last year but didn't beat howard, morgan or hampton. win the meac tournament, then we can discuss the ncaa tournament. if we haven't won the meac tournament for over a decade, it seems to me we ought to be more concerned with winning the meac first...
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Post by Maxell on Nov 25, 2008 17:12:28 GMT -5
What he said (as modified)!! i disagree that we should be building for the ncaa tournament. if winning the meac tournament is a prerequisite to competing in the ncaa tournament, why would you get ahead of yourself if you can't even win the meac tournament? we beat depaul last year but didn't beat howard, morgan or hampton. win the meac tournament, then we can discuss the ncaa tournament. if we haven't won the meac tournament for over a decade, it seems to me we ought to be more concerned with winning the meac first... You may have mis-understood my point. If you recruit and prepare a team that can have a winning non-conference Division I schedule largely on the road, we will win the MEAC no doubt. If we finished our current DI non-conference schedule with a 8-2 mark(assuming a 10-game schedule), we are automatically prepared to win the MEAC.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Nov 25, 2008 17:16:00 GMT -5
I am a 100% in with Maxell. We may be in the MEAC but the electricity in the dog pound at times is measurable to Camron (Duke). I know there are thousands more people i am just talking about the vibe. Our games are better attended than any in the MEAC so we should look to attrack true mid-major talent, which I think is starting to happen.
But our mentality has be more than the MEAC. Shoot for the stars and land on the moon or however the saying goes; lets at least rise above the fog.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 25, 2008 17:36:19 GMT -5
i disagree that we should be building for the ncaa tournament. if winning the meac tournament is a prerequisite to competing in the ncaa tournament, why would you get ahead of yourself if you can't even win the meac tournament? we beat depaul last year but didn't beat howard, morgan or hampton. win the meac tournament, then we can discuss the ncaa tournament. if we haven't won the meac tournament for over a decade, it seems to me we ought to be more concerned with winning the meac first... You may have mis-understood my point. If you recruit and prepare a team that can have a winning non-conference Division I schedule largely on the road, we will win the MEAC no doubt. If we finished our current DI non-conference schedule with a 8-2 mark(assuming a 10-game schedule), we are automatically prepared to win the MEAC. i think i understand what you're saying and it certainly makes sense. but what if hampton and morgan have the same goals or better? i know for a fact, hampton's president is on record that his goal is to make hampton the gonzaga of the east. so while we're looking out of conference to gauge ourselves, we take our eye off of the real prize. if hampton's goals and resources exceeds ours (and currently they do), chances are we're not gonna beat them and we'll never make it to the ncaa tournament. i understand your logic and it makes sense. but if we don't conquer the meac first, building for the ncaa tournament is a mute point. all i'm saying is, let's first position ourselves to reign supreme in the meac and then we can talk ncaa's. building for the ncaa's doesn't automatically translate into meac success because other meac teams could be doing the same or even more...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 25, 2008 17:48:47 GMT -5
I am a 100% in with Maxell. We may be in the MEAC but the electricity in the dog pound at times is measurable to Camron (Duke). I know there are thousands more people i am just talking about the vibe. Our games are better attended than any in the MEAC so we should look to attrack true mid-major talent, which I think is starting to happen. But our mentality has be more than the MEAC. Shoot for the stars and land on the moon or however the saying goes; lets at least rise above the fog. i hear what you're saying and i agree to a certain extent. but attendance at games is not necessarily the most important factor that recruits consider. i think its important but so are other things. a lot of these ballers "falsely" believe they can make it to the pro level, if not the nba then overseas. so facilities are important to them. they feel in order for them to get to the next level they need the best coaches and best facilities possible to develop their games. they practice 4 or 5 days a week, but they play home games on average about once a week. they primarily develop their games in practice, so naturally they want the best facilities they can get. that's a major reason hampton has the best talent in the league. hampton doesn't draw large crowds at their games at all, but they've got a hail of a facility and that's what attracts recruits...
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Post by aahhbigboy on Nov 25, 2008 18:53:59 GMT -5
You may have mis-understood my point. If you recruit and prepare a team that can have a winning non-conference Division I schedule largely on the road, we will win the MEAC no doubt. If we finished our current DI non-conference schedule with a 8-2 mark(assuming a 10-game schedule), we are automatically prepared to win the MEAC. i think i understand what you're saying and it certainly makes sense. but what if hampton and morgan have the same goals or better? i know for a fact, hampton's president is on record that his goal is to make hampton the gonzaga of the east. so while we're looking out of conference to gauge ourselves, we take our eye off of the real prize. if hampton's goals and resources exceeds ours (and currently they do), chances are we're not gonna beat them and we'll never make it to the ncaa tournament. i understand your logic and it makes sense. but if we don't conquer the meac first, building for the ncaa tournament is a mute point. all i'm saying is, let's first position ourselves to reign supreme in the meac and then we can talk ncaa's. building for the ncaa's doesn't automatically translate into meac success because other meac teams could be doing the same or even more... Win the MEAC? Heck, all I've been asking for is a top 3 finish and/or more than one win in the tourney. lol Winning anything is laughable with Eaves. Forget it. If you can't see it after 5 years, then you just can't see it. Eaves is licking A&T, he can care less about winning. I say that because I don't want to call him incompetent. What Maxell said is what I've been screaming the whole time. A&T fans, for the most part, accepts Mediocrity while Collins gets fired AFTER he wins the MEAC at Hampton. Go figure.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Nov 25, 2008 19:00:09 GMT -5
I am a 100% in with Maxell. We may be in the MEAC but the electricity in the dog pound at times is measurable to Camron (Duke). I know there are thousands more people i am just talking about the vibe. Our games are better attended than any in the MEAC so we should look to attrack true mid-major talent, which I think is starting to happen. But our mentality has be more than the MEAC. Shoot for the stars and land on the moon or however the saying goes; lets at least rise above the fog. i hear what you're saying and i agree to a certain extent. but attendance at games is not necessarily the most important factor that recruits consider. i think its important but so are other things. a lot of these ballers "falsely" believe they can make it to the pro level, if not the nba then overseas. so facilities are important to them. they feel in order for them to get to the next level they need the best coaches and best facilities possible to develop their games. they practice 4 or 5 days a week, but they play home games on average about once a week. they primarily develop their games in practice, so naturally they want the best facilities they can get. that's a major reason hampton has the best talent in the league. hampton doesn't draw large crowds at their games at all, but they've got a hail of a facility and that's what attracts recruits... You're stuck on facilities. I do see the logic in your reasoning and what you said about these kids when they come to school is true, but most "MEAC" recruits aren't getting recruited really heavy. They are willing to give on the facilities as long as the gym doesn't have a stage like an elementary school. lol But, bring a recruit in the building when Hampton is in town and let the visitor get 5 fouls. And let that sound system bang real hard. Believe me, a recruit isn't thinking about facilities then bruh. It's like Cameron up in there. I've been going for years and the last 3-4 have been more live than ever. If you can't recruit at T, you just can't recruit. And that's my point with Eaves.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 25, 2008 20:23:33 GMT -5
Man, that brings back memories. LOL
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Post by Maxell on Nov 25, 2008 21:14:38 GMT -5
If you can't recruit at T, you just can't recruit. 'Nuff said.
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Post by treese on Nov 26, 2008 8:51:32 GMT -5
If you can't recruit at T, you just can't recruit. 'Nuff said. A very strong & true statement!!!
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Post by Aggie Monster on Nov 26, 2008 8:59:58 GMT -5
If you can't recruit at T, you just can't recruit. Nail on the head, same goes for football!!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 26, 2008 14:40:35 GMT -5
for those of you who don't think facilities make a major difference, i suggest you visit all the other facilities in the meac. if all you've seen is corbett, i can understand why you feel the way you feel.
but i've been involved with college recruiting as a former athlete, a coach and a parent. i've coached a national aau team that finished 3rd overall "in the country" two years in a row and every player on my team earned d1 or d2 scholarships. i've also visited every basketball facility in the meac with the exception of bcu. i've visited many other major d1 facilities while on the recruiting trail with my daughter and some of my former players. so i speak from experience, not just an opinion.
i've stood next to many recruits while visiting schools like ecu, umass, maryland, n.c. state, rhode island, and uva. and i'm tellin' ya, when these recruits walk into those venues and see those sparkling shiny new facilities, their eyes light up like kids on christmas day! i've watched recruits freakin' melt while on recruiting trips when coaches dress up their "immaculate" locker rooms, place a name plate and a game jersey over a locker with the recruits name on it. then the recruit walks into an outdated corbett and see what would amount to an intramural gym on some of those other campuses.
when my daughter was being recruited for basketball, she had no intention of attending ecu but she almost signed with them because their facilities were tremendous. i've got former players who signed with larger schools because of facilities and later found out they weren't happy. so don't tell me facilities are not a major factor, i know from first hand experience that they are. ask eaves or bibbs if they make a difference and i'd bet my house they'd say yes.
hampton is a perfect example. they have such a small attendance that you can hear crickets chirping at hampton basketball games. yet, hampton has the best talent by far in the meac and it ain't because they draw big crowds or because they have an outstanding coach. they have neither. but they see that freakin' convocation center and literally trip da hail out! and quote my words on this, watch famu's basketball program take off in the coming years because of their brand new 10,000 plus seat arena that will soon be completed.
if recruiting is so easy at a&t, then why haven't we had the best talent in the meac for over 20 years? does that mean for 20 years or more eaves, hunter, and thomas were all just poor recruiters? sure, ballers want to play in front of big crowds but they only see home crowds on average about once a week. they spend far more time in practice than home games and its primarily practice where they hone their skills...
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