lilboy
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Post by lilboy on Apr 17, 2008 13:53:11 GMT -5
That was something that I never understood when Fobbs first got here. He got rid of almost every senior on the team and for the ones that were kept the coaches did them dirty. Great start when you're trying to rebuild a program.
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Post by regulator on Apr 17, 2008 22:21:14 GMT -5
Listen...
I personally trained Will Billingsley for the past year and a half to two years in his quest to make it to the NFL at Velocity Sports Performance. If I was to sit here and say that I made him fast, I'd be lying to you...he was fast when he came to me. All he needed was to fix a couple technical flaws, and way better conditioning which he did not have due to an absent Strength & Conditioning program at A&T. Getting him into shape was more important than fixing the technical flaws, because he was going to run fast regardless. He ran a 4.5 on his first day with no training, or conditioning. For those of you who don't know anything about the 40 yard dash, if you can run a 4.5 without any training, out of shape, or at the end of a workout, then you are FAST! As a rule of thumb, subtract .2 to .25 from that time, and you have what he should be running under ideal conditions IF trained properly. Within a month, Will Bill was able to run 3 low 4.4's in a row with less than a minute of recovery time.
I GUARANTEE you that Will Bill can now run a 4.5 out of bed without stretching with EASE! As a matter of fact, he consistently runs 4.5 at 80% to 85% effort.
Now let's set the record straight on what he ran at the A&T Pro Day, or should I say A&T "Junior" timing day last year. First of all, it's a damn shame when your Seniors...guys who bled Blue & Gold for 4 and 5 years have to beg NFL scouts to let them run the 40 yard dash, because their Head Coach (a guy who had barely been there a year at the time) failed to set up a Pro Timing day for them. Anyways...Will ran a 4.44 into a 31mph wind gust. And that was with him blowing out his hamstring at the 35 yard mark, and limping the final 5 yards. When his hamstring gave out, the scout's stopwatch was still in the 3's...I was looking dead at it.
If you don't believe me, you can ask that hatin' a$$ D-Line coach that was bad mouthing Will to the Buffalo Bills scout that was present. He said..."They say this one here is supposed to be fast. His daddy said that he ran a 4.4 at Virginia Tech, but I don't see it." After Will ran what he ran, that same hatin' a$$ coach was the first one jockin' Will. It was hilarious to see his ole' Uncle Tom a$$ trying make sure that Will's leg was alright. If I'm not mistaken, that was the same coach that was acting so abhorrently at the S.C. State game that I read a couple of you guys commenting on.
I also couldn't believe that Will and his father had to drive all the way up to Hampton to get game film, because his own damn coaches wouldn't give it to him. If it wasn't for the generosity of the Hampton coaching staff, Will probably wouldn't be where he is today!! Now seriously Aggies...how does that look!? When it's time to write those donation checks...don't feel offended when Hampton gets paid first!!!
On April 4th, Will had a private workout with the Dolphins in Tampa, Florida. He ran a 4.33, and a 4.38 on a rain soaked field. Once again for those of you who don't know anything about the 40 yard dash, grass is a SLOWER surface than the field turf that you see at the combine. Common sense should tell you that the soaked field slowed his time down. Parcells himself told Will that with the grasss and weather conditions being accounted for, he was faster than EVERY SINGLE defensive back at the combine. From what I hear...guys on the Dolphins roster are trying to set up a race between Will and Ted Ginn Jr...
And as for the people questioning Will's talent...we always knew that he could've played D-1 ball. I would've thought that you guys knew that he turned down a few MAC school to come to A&T in the first place. Anyways...I played WR in the Big East against some pretty good DB's...so I think it's safe to say I know who can play and who can't. Will just needed to be coached up, in addition to adjusting to the talent level that I know he NEVER saw at A&T. When myself and the guy that helped me train Will (who himself is a former Virginia Tech Hokie and Green Bay Packer) first started doing 1-on-1's with Will, we did just about whatever we wanted to him with ease. But after he listened to us, got acclimated to the level of competition, and got sound advice from NFL veterans when he trained in Orlando with 40 yard dash guru Tom Shaw, the game changed dramatically! The space that I used to getting in and out of my breaks had closed down exponentially...
I'm proud of Will for sticking to the plan and pursuiting his dreams! In the words of Mike Jones..."Back then they didn't want me, now I'm hot they all on me."
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 17, 2008 22:38:28 GMT -5
Damn man, you were doing good until you said that. Please turn on the discovery channel and find out what 30 mph wind looks like. I think he would have a hard time standing up, let alone run in a straight line.
Besides that, you sound like you really know your stuff. I'm glad you were able to make a positive impact in Will Bill's development. We are all pulling for him!
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Post by jaffejoffa on Apr 17, 2008 22:58:28 GMT -5
If that Hampton situation happened, then I am shocked, appalled, and embarrased to be associated in anyway with this football program. Point blank.
I looked at the questioned dates in hand from the previous threads, and found the following:
*April 16,2007(http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KGSO/2007/4/16/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA) Wind: Wind Speed 21 mph / 33 km/h (WNW) *Max Wind Speed 37 mph / 60 km/h Max Gust Speed 62 mph / 100 km/h Visibility 10 miles / 16 kilometers
- I assume sprints were ran between 3&4pm, so therefore its conveivable that there was considerable wind. But anyways, I dont care if someone is running in a tsunami, hurricane or sandstorm, a 4.4/4.3 is moving pretty well if I must say so myself
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Post by jaffejoffa on Apr 17, 2008 23:04:21 GMT -5
www.miamidolphins.com/newsite/news/top_story.asp?contentID=5741-Fairly lengthy article, but a good read. ***It took almost 20 minutes for the first question to be asked about Miami's most recent acquisition, free agent cornerback Will Billingsley, who was signed Monday and went through the 2007 NFL Draft without being selected. Billingsley played three years at North Carolina A&T from 2004-06 and his speed and quickness are seen as key attributes. "He's a very fast corner," Ireland said. "We worked him out the other day and he ran a very fast 40 so we thought we would try to develop the kid as a safety valve." *** -Not many guys have the team president and general manager talking about them before the eve of the draft. That must be a decent sign for the young man. Bornthrilla, can you ask Fobbs how he feels about this milestone, and has he given Billingsley any encouragement, advice or words of wisdom...I'd like to know the answer to that...
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 18, 2008 7:38:02 GMT -5
Well what this tells me is:
1. the young man wasn't used properly at A&T, by any of the coaches that had the opportunity to coach him (but I pretty much knew that already) 2. people don't mind stretching the truth even when there's no need to stretch it (i.e. ran a 4.44 into a 31 mph wind gust and after blowing out his hammy and limping the final five yards -snicker-) 3. Fobbs and company have less fans than Jeffrey Dahmer 4. Either this site is real popular or people will go to Keith McLuney levels to attempt to prove an impossible point 5. You don't actually have to question anybody's talent for people to act like you're questioning people's talent 6. We're no longer d-1 because Will could've played d-1 ball and played with us instead 7. Both regulator and Jaffe have a penchant for using ellipses and 8. A former coach on our staff went to the lengths of badmouthing a former player to an NFL scout
SMH
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Post by jaffejoffa on Apr 18, 2008 9:14:55 GMT -5
Well what this tells me is: 7. Both regulator and Jaffe have a penchant for using ellipses and SMH What is that supposed to mean ...
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 18, 2008 10:27:44 GMT -5
Well SMH is shorthand for "shaking my head." And if you pair #7 with #4, you'll figure out the rest.
Is it possible we can be happy for the kid without people questioning our intelligence? It takes soooo much away from what he's accomplished when you go out of your way and embellish his abilities. What's more, to the trained eye it's blatant.
I dare you to find an individual on this site that does not think he's a good player or is hoping for his failure. Even Fobbs and the "hatin' a$$ D-Line coach that was bad mouthing Will to the Buffalo Bills scout that was present" (the one that the actual strength trainer wouldn't know about because he wouldn't have met Will yet) should be pulling for him.
How 'bout instead of lying on the boy, let's use this forum to celebrate what he's accomplished despite Fobbs and company's inability to put him in a successful situation while he was here? Let's be boys again. Let's be boys again...
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Post by jaffejoffa on Apr 18, 2008 12:20:22 GMT -5
#7 & #4 .. If you are implying that Jaffe and the Regulator are one in the same, but that is false my friend. In all honesty, I dont know the "Regulator" or in fact any trainers at Velocity ..
- Alot of things that I have been saying for two years, have proven to be correct. Besides, who could make some of this stuff up ?! Dooms, you know you're my boy ..
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 18, 2008 13:41:06 GMT -5
I guess it’s extreeeeeemely coincidental that this trainer shows up on this site right when Will makes a squad, and validates every claim (even the scientifically impossible ones) that have been made concerning him by you and Japan. I find it highly unlikely that a person whose only ties to A&T are one client would spend enough time on this site to post all the things that are in that post. Some of the incidents that post refers to are over a year old, yet you{ahem} homey rattles them off like he’s been on this board for years. He also seems to really have a personal dislike for people he should have never actually met (the coaching staff) and be almost smitten with Will. Is Will that much of a pleasant person to be around, or are most of the posts concerning him by his daddy? A professional (hell, a 10 year old) would know that you cannot run fast into a headwind, especially not a 31 mph wind gust, and a professional definitely would not claim that his client ran a 4.44 into a head wind and limped the final five yards. That’s preposterous and I really hate that somebody would get on here and try to pass that b.s. off as fact. It just does not pass the sniff test at all. What’s more coincidental is that the guy’s post reads almost like yours do. Again, it’s unnecessary to do that sort of thing. That’s the exact same mess McLooney was doing to try to “validate” his points on things, which in the end only made him look far worse. I’m pretty sure if thrilla did an i.p. check (do you know what that is?) things would be clarified pretty quickly.
Since Will has made the roster under the most trying and difficult of circumstances, he deserves our support and kudos. What he does not deserve is people trying to prop up their own false claims under pseudonyms. It takes away from what he has accomplished. Furthermore, as a result of these types of posts some of us (present company included) are inclined to think that maybe some of the problems Will had are not necessarily all on Fobbs.
Man, I love you like a play cousin, but this just ain't you. My concern is how gullible people are. They will come on this board and take that stuff for fact, and look stupid.
It just pains me to think that an Aggie could go somewhere and say something like “you see that one, he went to my alma mater and they timed him at 4.44 into a 31 mph headwind, and he limped the last five yards! It’s true! Where you going?” It pains me that somebody could read that on this board and make that fallacious claim to somebody else. People will think A&T produces idiots. I don’t like that and I don’t want to contribute to it. Do you? Does “regulator?” Seriously.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 18, 2008 14:22:59 GMT -5
I see Dooms point. Velocity guy was imbelishing to make a point, but all that does is make him sound like he lying because he embelished too much. The time was 100% true, but if thats the case then just leave the 31mph out.
For example. If I say Ferg ran for a 40 yard TD breaking a couple of tackles you will believe that. If I say "Man! Ferg ran 40 yards smashing and running over EVERYONE on Hampton's squad, I mean EVERYONE!" You would think I was lying.
"31 mph head wind" is major thunderstorm type wind.
FYI: The weatherman issues a Wind Advisory at "sustained winds of 25 to 39 mph", LOL
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Post by jaffejoffa on Apr 18, 2008 14:38:55 GMT -5
Brother Dooms .. I can assure you that the Regulator and myself are two opposite entities... I think you'd be surprised to know how many people read this website as just a mere casual fan .. Ive never said in anhy past post that he ran in any wind, I just took a look at the forecast for the day mentioned to see what the conditions were and it showed that the wind was blowing..I dont know if he was running with it or against it, but it was blowing somewhere..
.PS -I dont have the time in my schedule or day to pull at "McCluney".. Aside from Billingsley, I will fight for any other current or past Aggie player. I'm not just singling him out to provide a defense.
Dooms, you and Bornthrilla are smart guys ..it should be apparent that we are completely seperate people.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 18, 2008 16:21:23 GMT -5
I don't think jaffe and regulator are the same guy. I also don't think regulator and japan are the same because japan typed like he was allergic to the English language.
Regulator sounds like a knowledgeable guy, just a tad bit overzealous on his support of Will Bill vol. 3.
And personally, if the wind was blowing 30-plus mph when I was scheduled to run possibly the most important 40 yard dash of my life I would either 1) try to reschedule or 2) wait until the weather improved.
If I ran a 4.9 just because the wind was blowing too hard and missed out on a chance to get drafted, I would feel like an idiot.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 18, 2008 18:25:28 GMT -5
I don't think jaffe and regulator are the same guy. I also don't think regulator and japan are the same because japan typed like he was allergic to the English language. Regulator sounds like a knowledgeable guy, just a tad bit overzealous on his support of Will Bill vol. 3. And personally, if the wind was blowing 30-plus mph when I was scheduled to run possibly the most important 40 yard dash of my life I would either 1) try to reschedule or 2) wait until the weather improved. If I ran a 4.9 just because the wind was blowing too hard and missed out on a chance to get drafted, I would feel like an idiot. Maybe the wind caught him from the back and helped out, LOL. I'm still proud of the dude no matter what. Lets not get that confused. Everyone here is happy for him.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Apr 18, 2008 20:27:13 GMT -5
Regulator, you'll learn that there are people on this board that swear they know everything about the Aggies. If you post something, be prepared for people looking to dissect it and expose the smallest of the smallest inconsistencies. You have to provide references like you're doing a report in Craig Hall. You have to provide disclosures. If you are not in "the circle" or if you're not privy to the private boarders, then don't expect to be believed. You have to realize that, for some of these cats, this board IS LIFE. Trust me on this, don't even respond.
The kid signed everyone, who gives a d@mn about the wind speed. You don't get signed at corner before the draft if you're above a 4.4 40. Jesus
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