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Post by aggiegrad97 on Apr 22, 2024 14:10:34 GMT -5
New addition coming soon. Young, good size addition. Inch shorter than Chaniya How soon?!?! #ThePeopleWannaKnow Should be this week, but you never know 😂 |
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Post by planoaggie on Apr 22, 2024 14:25:54 GMT -5
You are partly correct. Shooters are not born but made from years of training physically, mentally, and shooting form technique. Steph and Caitlin were very good Shooters entering college. They just continue to tuned their skills while at college by continuing to work hard at their craft. Expectation should be moderate to low in getting someone who shoots 30% or lower at the 3-pt line to shoot over 37% or better in one season. That is my definition of a good 3-pt shooter. Over 40% is a great shooter. Over a college career that is definitely doable if they work hard at it to go from below 30% to over 37%. So if we pickup a player shooting 25% then don't expect them to shoot more than 32% the following year and that is being generous. Work ethic can't fix everything (you did not say it did to be clear), so I "would like" for us to pickup an actual shooter we don't have to work hard in developing but positioning herself to be ready to launch at any moment. Just me. totally disagree that "work ethic" can't fix everything (as long as you're physically healthy) and i definitely disagree that it takes "years" of training physically, mentally, and shooting form technique to become a great shooter. rather, i would argue that developing a shooter "from scratch" only takes "weeks" not "years" to develop. for experienced basketball players, it could take around 4 to 5 weeks to develop a good shooter but the catch is that it doesn't stop once you're there. you have to develop an "ongoing continuous" shooting routine to become a "consistent" shooter. honestly, its all about "muscle memory" and it doesn't take "years" to develop "muscle memory". in other words, steph curry still does the same things he did to become the world's best 3 point shooter. its called a "shooting routine" which really is a significant workout 4 to 5 times a week depending on whether you're in season or off season. some of your best shooters wakeup early in the morning (like 5am) to get in their shooting routine, others may choose to put their work in during other hours. but the bottom line is that its a "routine" that never stops except when taking a summer break, vacation, or something like that. i promise you, if steph "stopped" doing his normal "shooting routines", he'd be shooting "bricks" just like everybody else... disagree on how easy it is to develop into a good shooter (weeks). So all these players in high school, college, and pro that are not good shooters due to poor work ethic? Additionally, poor free throw shooters also cannot shoot a high percentage due to poor work ethic? Come on, stop selling these players short that they can't shoot because they don't want to work on developing their game, in particular their shot. They are in the gym and I will not throw the coaches/staff under the bus in doubting that they don't work with the kids on their shooting mechanics. Becoming a really good shooter takes hard work and it typically can not be done in 1-2 months. If so, teams would be loaded with good shooters. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 22, 2024 15:01:45 GMT -5
totally disagree that "work ethic" can't fix everything (as long as you're physically healthy) and i definitely disagree that it takes "years" of training physically, mentally, and shooting form technique to become a great shooter. rather, i would argue that developing a shooter "from scratch" only takes "weeks" not "years" to develop. for experienced basketball players, it could take around 4 to 5 weeks to develop a good shooter but the catch is that it doesn't stop once you're there. you have to develop an "ongoing continuous" shooting routine to become a "consistent" shooter. honestly, its all about "muscle memory" and it doesn't take "years" to develop "muscle memory". in other words, steph curry still does the same things he did to become the world's best 3 point shooter. its called a "shooting routine" which really is a significant workout 4 to 5 times a week depending on whether you're in season or off season. some of your best shooters wakeup early in the morning (like 5am) to get in their shooting routine, others may choose to put their work in during other hours. but the bottom line is that its a "routine" that never stops except when taking a summer break, vacation, or something like that. i promise you, if steph "stopped" doing his normal "shooting routines", he'd be shooting "bricks" just like everybody else... disagree on how easy it is to develop into a good shooter (weeks). So all these players in high school, college, and pro that are not good shooters due to poor work ethic? Additionally, poor free throw shooters also cannot shoot a high percentage due to poor work ethic? Come on, stop selling these players short that they can't shoot because they don't want to work on developing their game, in particular their shot. They are in the gym and I will not throw the coaches/staff under the bus in doubting that they don't work with the kids on their shooting mechanics. Becoming a really good shooter takes hard work and it typically can not be done in 1-2 months. If so, teams would be loaded with good shooters. not true. it wouldn't be called "hard work" if it was easy. like i said, tell me how many players that you know who wakeup every morning at 5am to work on their game? you probably don't know any! which btw, ain't unusual. and i don't mean just standing there shooting jumpers with no conditioning involved. if i took an experienced basketball player into the gym every day to jack up "at least" a thousand jump shots a day and worked on conditioning their legs, i promise you it would only take about 4 or 5 weeks to become a consistent outside shooter but that same routine must be maintained to retain that accuracy. its called "muscle memory" that comes from numerous repetitions. if ya don't know what "muscle memory" means, please look it up cuz "muscle memory" does not take "years" to develop, it only takes "weeks". you act like it takes "years" of hard work to develop a consistent jumper, but it doesn't. not even close to that long... |
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Post by AggieGroove on Apr 22, 2024 15:10:47 GMT -5
How soon?!?! #ThePeopleWannaKnow Should be this week, but you never know 😂 I need a quality guard to back up Dorsey.... Any news on that front? |
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Post by aggiegrad97 on Apr 22, 2024 16:04:16 GMT -5
Should be this week, but you never know 😂 I need a quality guard to back up Dorsey.... Any news on that front? Not as of yet, hopeful they’ll snatch a mid major one before the end of the period though |
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Post by planoaggie on Apr 22, 2024 18:04:23 GMT -5
disagree on how easy it is to develop into a good shooter (weeks). So all these players in high school, college, and pro that are not good shooters due to poor work ethic? Additionally, poor free throw shooters also cannot shoot a high percentage due to poor work ethic? Come on, stop selling these players short that they can't shoot because they don't want to work on developing their game, in particular their shot. They are in the gym and I will not throw the coaches/staff under the bus in doubting that they don't work with the kids on their shooting mechanics. Becoming a really good shooter takes hard work and it typically can not be done in 1-2 months. If so, teams would be loaded with good shooters. not true. it wouldn't be called "hard work" if it was easy. like i said, tell me how many players that you know who wakeup every morning at 5am to work on their game? you probably don't know any! which btw, ain't unusual. and i don't mean just standing there shooting jumpers with no conditioning involved. if i took an experienced basketball player into the gym every day to jack up "at least" a thousand jump shots a day and worked on conditioning their legs, i promise you it would only take about 4 or 5 weeks to become a consistent outside shooter but that same routine must be maintained to retain that accuracy. its called "muscle memory" that comes from numerous repetitions. if ya don't know what "muscle memory" means, please look it up cuz "muscle memory" does not take "years" to develop, it only takes "weeks". you act like it takes "years" of hard work to develop a consistent jumper, but it doesn't. not even close to that long... Not only do I know a player that got up at 5AM, but I know entire high school teams that do this (women and men). They don't play around in Texas when it comes to football or basketball. My son had to be to cross country practice at 5AM every school day to get his butt in shape if he wanted to play on the varsity basketball team and was not playing football. So I don't know any kids personally that played basketball and made it college that did not work their tail off day and night or weekends, but they all are not good shooters. Julius Randall when he broke his foot in high school worked out 3 times a day (mornings before school, midday, and evenings) to get back to a level to make the McDonald's All American team his senior year. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 22, 2024 18:30:36 GMT -5
not true. it wouldn't be called "hard work" if it was easy. like i said, tell me how many players that you know who wakeup every morning at 5am to work on their game? you probably don't know any! which btw, ain't unusual. and i don't mean just standing there shooting jumpers with no conditioning involved. if i took an experienced basketball player into the gym every day to jack up "at least" a thousand jump shots a day and worked on conditioning their legs, i promise you it would only take about 4 or 5 weeks to become a consistent outside shooter but that same routine must be maintained to retain that accuracy. its called "muscle memory" that comes from numerous repetitions. if ya don't know what "muscle memory" means, please look it up cuz "muscle memory" does not take "years" to develop, it only takes "weeks". you act like it takes "years" of hard work to develop a consistent jumper, but it doesn't. not even close to that long... Not only do I know a player that got up at 5AM, but I know entire high school teams that do this (women and men). They don't play around in Texas when it comes to football or basketball. My son had to be to cross country practice at 5AM every school day to get his butt in shape if he wanted to play on the varsity basketball team and was not playing football. So I don't know any kids personally that played basketball and made it college that did not work their tail off day and night or weekends, but they all are not good shooters. Julius Randall when he broke his foot in high school worked out 3 times a day (mornings before school, midday, and evenings) to get back to a level to make the McDonald's All American team his senior year. we're talking about "individual" basketball players, not a "cross country team". hail, when i ran track at a&t, our entire team practiced at 5am in the morning during the preseason. but i'm not talking about "team practices". basketball players cannot perform the kind of "individual routine shooting" workouts at a normal team practice cuz it'll take up too much "time". basketball coaches do not have time "at normal team practice" for every player to put up a thousand or more jump shots. this kind of routine must be done during a player's free time cuz it takes at least 2 hours or more which is about how long most team practices are. so coach can't do that at "team practices". again, i am not talking about "team practices" which are not voluntary. i'm talking about voluntary "individual" workouts and again, i do not personally know of any basketball players who set aside a minimum of 2 hours or more a day "solely" to work on their shooting (and conditioning), except star players (i.e., curry and clark) that i've seen on tv. shooting routines are "above and beyond" team practices. so "individual" basketball players must still participate in normal team practices but "on top of that", also perform their individual "shooting routines". why you brought up cross country "team practices" is beyond me, that's not what i'm talkin' bout. i'm talking about "individuals" who VOLUNTARILY (not forced to) put in the extra work that's above and beyond team practices... |
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Post by planoaggie on Apr 22, 2024 19:08:18 GMT -5
Not only do I know a player that got up at 5AM, but I know entire high school teams that do this (women and men). They don't play around in Texas when it comes to football or basketball. My son had to be to cross country practice at 5AM every school day to get his butt in shape if he wanted to play on the varsity basketball team and was not playing football. So I don't know any kids personally that played basketball and made it college that did not work their tail off day and night or weekends, but they all are not good shooters. Julius Randall when he broke his foot in high school worked out 3 times a day (mornings before school, midday, and evenings) to get back to a level to make the McDonald's All American team his senior year. we're talking about "individual" basketball players, not a "cross country team". hail, when i ran track at a&t, our entire team practiced at 5am in the morning during the preseason. but i'm not talking about "team practices". basketball players cannot perform the kind of "individual routine shooting" workouts at a normal team practice cuz it'll take up too much "time". basketball coaches do not have time "at normal team practice" for every player to put up a thousand or more jump shots. this kind of routine must be done during a player's free time cuz it takes at least 2 hours or more which is about how long most team practices are. so coach can't do that at "team practices". again, i am not talking about "team practices" which are not voluntary. i'm talking about voluntary "individual" workouts and again, i do not personally know of any basketball players who set aside a minimum of 2 hours or more a day "solely" to work on their shooting (and conditioning), except star players (i.e., curry and clark) that i've seen on tv. shooting routines are "above and beyond" team practices. so "individual" basketball players must still participate in normal team practices but "on top of that", also perform their individual "shooting routines". why you brought up cross country "team practices" is beyond me, that's not what i'm talkin' bout. i'm talking about "individuals" who VOLUNTARILY (not forced to) put in the extra work that's above and beyond team practices... What I am referring to are not normal team practices. They are "understood" individual BB practices or cross country training that don't violate UIL rules (Texas high school sports governing body). Some kids work on their dribbling, some work on the GUN (shooting machine), others play pickup games. The head BB coach can not be at those practices. So I know exactly what you are talking about and I respectfully disagree. By the way, I have trained a few players in shooting including my son, whom finished 6th in the nation in free-throw shooting contest that over a million kids participated (22 out of 25 got 6th place). He had to make >90 out of 100 free-throws 7 days a week for 3 months. To make it to regional he made 25 out of 25 to win the state of Texas and then 24 out of 25 to win regional. My son was known as a very good 3-pt shooter because he took 750 to 1000 shots after practice every day. If he did not make better than 60% of his 3-pt shots, he starts all over. If you can't make 60% of uncontested 3-pt shots why should I expect you to make 40% contested 3-pt shots. That's the goal. Why am I telling you all this? Because I have trained players to be good 3-pt shooters and free-throw shooters. It is hard work that takes more than 5 weeks and sometimes more than 2hr workouts. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 22, 2024 20:22:21 GMT -5
we're talking about "individual" basketball players, not a "cross country team". hail, when i ran track at a&t, our entire team practiced at 5am in the morning during the preseason. but i'm not talking about "team practices". basketball players cannot perform the kind of "individual routine shooting" workouts at a normal team practice cuz it'll take up too much "time". basketball coaches do not have time "at normal team practice" for every player to put up a thousand or more jump shots. this kind of routine must be done during a player's free time cuz it takes at least 2 hours or more which is about how long most team practices are. so coach can't do that at "team practices". again, i am not talking about "team practices" which are not voluntary. i'm talking about voluntary "individual" workouts and again, i do not personally know of any basketball players who set aside a minimum of 2 hours or more a day "solely" to work on their shooting (and conditioning), except star players (i.e., curry and clark) that i've seen on tv. shooting routines are "above and beyond" team practices. so "individual" basketball players must still participate in normal team practices but "on top of that", also perform their individual "shooting routines". why you brought up cross country "team practices" is beyond me, that's not what i'm talkin' bout. i'm talking about "individuals" who VOLUNTARILY (not forced to) put in the extra work that's above and beyond team practices... What I am referring to are not normal team practices. They are "understood" individual BB practices or cross country training that don't violate UIL rules (Texas high school sports governing body). Some kids work on their dribbling, some work on the GUN (shooting machine), others play pickup games. The head BB coach can not be at those practices. So I know exactly what you are talking about and I respectfully disagree. By the way, I have trained a few players in shooting including my son, whom finished 6th in the nation in free-throw shooting contest that over a million kids participated (22 out of 25 got 6th place). He had to make >90 out of 100 free-throws 7 days a week for 3 months. To make it to regional he made 25 out of 25 to win the state of Texas and then 24 out of 25 to win regional. My son was known as a very good 3-pt shooter because he took 750 to 1000 shots after practice every day. If he did not make better than 60% of his 3-pt shots, he starts all over. If you can't make 60% of uncontested 3-pt shots why should I expect you to make 40% contested 3-pt shots. That's the goal. Why am I telling you all this? Because I have trained players to be good 3-pt shooters and free-throw shooters. It is hard work that takes more than 5 weeks and sometimes more than 2hr workouts. then that's what i've been saying all along, i have no idea why you brought up cross country practices. great shooting takes hard work above and beyond team practices. however, you must continue the same "work ethic" as long as you play competitive games. otherwise, you lose the (muscle memory) shooting accuracy that you gained a lot faster than you gained it. also, you must address the "conditioning" part. extra shooting "alone" won't cut it unless you're just playing a game of "horse" or only competing in something like a free throw shooting contest. but to consistently and accurately shoot 3 pointers (or jumpers in general) in a competitive game, you must appropriately "condition" the athlete, especially his/her legs. free throw shooting and shooting in general is a lot "easier" when you're not playing in a game. but playing in a game places a lot of physical stress on your legs and your cardiovascular system. shooting "begins and ends" with the legs and if your legs are tired, your outside shot AIN'T GOING IN. that's why its very important to appropriately "condition" the athlete if they're playing competitive ball in real games. otherwise, it don't matter how many practice shots you take each day... |
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Post by babybandit on Apr 22, 2024 20:46:10 GMT -5
How soon?!?! #ThePeopleWannaKnow Should be this week, but you never know 😂 This could be what give us solid depth in the post as long as she don't mind playing with her back to the rim. Also a good balance of post,guards and wings.Our incoming class at least on paper looks D1 ready,especially Griffin and Howard. |
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Post by planoaggie on Apr 22, 2024 23:45:01 GMT -5
What I am referring to are not normal team practices. They are "understood" individual BB practices or cross country training that don't violate UIL rules (Texas high school sports governing body). Some kids work on their dribbling, some work on the GUN (shooting machine), others play pickup games. The head BB coach can not be at those practices. So I know exactly what you are talking about and I respectfully disagree. By the way, I have trained a few players in shooting including my son, whom finished 6th in the nation in free-throw shooting contest that over a million kids participated (22 out of 25 got 6th place). He had to make >90 out of 100 free-throws 7 days a week for 3 months. To make it to regional he made 25 out of 25 to win the state of Texas and then 24 out of 25 to win regional. My son was known as a very good 3-pt shooter because he took 750 to 1000 shots after practice every day. If he did not make better than 60% of his 3-pt shots, he starts all over. If you can't make 60% of uncontested 3-pt shots why should I expect you to make 40% contested 3-pt shots. That's the goal. Why am I telling you all this? Because I have trained players to be good 3-pt shooters and free-throw shooters. It is hard work that takes more than 5 weeks and sometimes more than 2hr workouts. then that's what i've been saying all along, i have no idea why you brought up cross country practices. great shooting takes hard work above and beyond team practices. however, you must continue the same "work ethic" as long as you play competitive games. otherwise, you lose the (muscle memory) shooting accuracy that you gained a lot faster than you gained it. also, you must address the "conditioning" part. extra shooting "alone" won't cut it unless you're just playing a game of "horse" or only competing in something like a free throw shooting contest. but to consistently and accurately shoot 3 pointers (or jumpers in general) in a competitive game, you must appropriately "condition" the athlete, especially his/her legs. free throw shooting and shooting in general is a lot "easier" when you're not playing in a game. but playing in a game places a lot of physical stress on your legs and your cardiovascular system. shooting "begins and ends" with the legs and if your legs are tired, your outside shot AIN'T GOING IN. that's why its very important to appropriately "condition" the athlete if they're playing competitive ball in real games. otherwise, it don't matter how many practice shots you take each day... Ok. The cross country was used to show that players that are dedicated to the game work hard, try to stay ready, and do the extra stuff outside of practice as you pointed out. The coach asked the non-football players to come into basketball season in shape so that he can be ahead of the game. Most teams spend the 1st month or two whipping their players into shape. |
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Post by aggiegrad97 on Apr 23, 2024 7:52:21 GMT -5
Should be this week, but you never know 😂 This could be what give us solid depth in the post as long as she don't mind playing with her back to the rim. Also a good balance of post,guards and wings.Our incoming class at least on paper looks D1 ready,especially Griffin and Howard. Yea I believe that’s the intent, esp. with w transfer from a competitive D1 squad to fill in for Mia who would’ve been more of an experiment to compete D1. And with the freshman class, it’s definitely all D1 talent. 3/4 from great HS & grassroots programs, and carrying TONS of D2 offers each (esp Amber). Even in Elliot’s case of being from a mediocre HS squad, she herself was a woman amongst girls in Winston and clearly ready for low-mid major hoop her senior year . They all have size AND D1 talent, which really is unheard of for any HBCU’s recruiting class. |
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Post by aggie2039 on Apr 23, 2024 7:56:40 GMT -5
This could be what give us solid depth in the post as long as she don't mind playing with her back to the rim. Also a good balance of post,guards and wings.Our incoming class at least on paper looks D1 ready,especially Griffin and Howard. Yea I believe that’s the intent, esp. with w transfer from a competitive D1 squad to fill in for Mia who would’ve been more of an experiment to compete D1. And with the freshman class, it’s definitely all D1 talent. 3/4 from great HS & grassroots programs, and carrying TONS of D2 offers each (esp Amber). Even in Elliot’s case of being from a mediocre HS squad, she herself was a woman amongst girls in Winston and clearly ready for low-mid major hoop her senior year . They all have size AND D1 talent, which really is unheard of for any HBCU’s recruiting class. We should be comparing ourselves to CAA schools not HBCUs |
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Post by saabman on Apr 23, 2024 10:06:14 GMT -5
we're talking about "individual" basketball players, not a "cross country team". hail, when i ran track at a&t, our entire team practiced at 5am in the morning during the preseason. but i'm not talking about "team practices". basketball players cannot perform the kind of "individual routine shooting" workouts at a normal team practice cuz it'll take up too much "time". basketball coaches do not have time "at normal team practice" for every player to put up a thousand or more jump shots. this kind of routine must be done during a player's free time cuz it takes at least 2 hours or more which is about how long most team practices are. so coach can't do that at "team practices". again, i am not talking about "team practices" which are not voluntary. i'm talking about voluntary "individual" workouts and again, i do not personally know of any basketball players who set aside a minimum of 2 hours or more a day "solely" to work on their shooting (and conditioning), except star players (i.e., curry and clark) that i've seen on tv. shooting routines are "above and beyond" team practices. so "individual" basketball players must still participate in normal team practices but "on top of that", also perform their individual "shooting routines". why you brought up cross country "team practices" is beyond me, that's not what i'm talkin' bout. i'm talking about "individuals" who VOLUNTARILY (not forced to) put in the extra work that's above and beyond team practices... What I am referring to are not normal team practices. They are "understood" individual BB practices or cross country training that don't violate UIL rules (Texas high school sports governing body). Some kids work on their dribbling, some work on the GUN (shooting machine), others play pickup games. The head BB coach can not be at those practices. So I know exactly what you are talking about and I respectfully disagree. By the way, I have trained a few players in shooting including my son, whom finished 6th in the nation in free-throw shooting contest that over a million kids participated (22 out of 25 got 6th place). He had to make >90 out of 100 free-throws 7 days a week for 3 months. To make it to regional he made 25 out of 25 to win the state of Texas and then 24 out of 25 to win regional. My son was known as a very good 3-pt shooter because he took 750 to 1000 shots after practice every day. If he did not make better than 60% of his 3-pt shots, he starts all over. If you can't make 60% of uncontested 3-pt shots why should I expect you to make 40% contested 3-pt shots. That's the goal. Why am I telling you all this? Because I have trained players to be good 3-pt shooters and free-throw shooters. It is hard work that takes more than 5 weeks and sometimes more than 2hr workouts. "I do not personally know of any basketball players who set aside a minimum of 2 hours or more a day "solely" to work on their shooting (and conditioning)" OSA that is exactly what kids are doing , especially the elite players or the players that want to get better. Look you both are saying the same thing but coming out with different conclusions. The point is, individual players have to put in the work in order to improve once a weakness is identified. Once a player identifies their weakness they put the hours aside 1,2,or even 3 to train focus and perfect that weakness that's how you get better. If you happen to run across Bob McAdoo anytime ask him who helped him perfect his jump shot. Layman and Calvin Williams where teammates with Mac at Smith and those three guys would be at the park working on their game as a group or individually. I had a morning paper route and I would see Mac on the court shooting jumpers either by himself or with The Williams Brothers. I remember we had a snow day and my father saw Mac at the basketball court trying to clear it , my father had my brother and I take the snow shovels and help Mac clear the basketball court so that he could shoot. Ray Harrison and I used to work out every morning before school although I didn't play basketball at Page I did my morning workouts with Ray with him dribbling a basketball for 2 miles, 1 mile left-handed one mile right-handed . At lunch we always knew where we could find Ray he would be in the gym working on his game. And even after practice in the afternoon Raynard like Mac and The Williams Brothers they would always be at the court in Benbow Park, Windsor Center, Woodmere Park or at Hayes Taylor YMCA and at times at A&T at the gym or outside on the courts. That is a type of work ethic you have to have if you wanted to be better. If you want to be a good shooter you have to focus on your mechanics and your Eye Hand coordination and set a schedule for yourself to practice it doesn't matter if it takes an hour or more. The good to great ones find a way to make the time to work on the weaknesses in their game . |
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Post by aggiegrad97 on Apr 23, 2024 10:12:43 GMT -5
Yea I believe that’s the intent, esp. with w transfer from a competitive D1 squad to fill in for Mia who would’ve been more of an experiment to compete D1. And with the freshman class, it’s definitely all D1 talent. 3/4 from great HS & grassroots programs, and carrying TONS of D2 offers each (esp Amber). Even in Elliot’s case of being from a mediocre HS squad, she herself was a woman amongst girls in Winston and clearly ready for low-mid major hoop her senior year . They all have size AND D1 talent, which really is unheard of for any HBCU’s recruiting class. We should be comparing ourselves to CAA schools not HBCUs I'm aware, I'm acknowledging that turnaround in access to talent has been swift since leaving the MEAC and actually being competitive in the CAA. I'm not implying that they have a blockbuster class by the general standards of 350 Division 1 schools. But the HC himself has had success with much less on-paper talent, |
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