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Post by Bornthrilla on Mar 31, 2024 19:45:05 GMT -5
That's crazy because I dont think I have ever seen him with the pep band in Corbett during a basketball game.
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Post by oldschool on Apr 1, 2024 0:36:00 GMT -5
Hold up; didn't the pep band perform recently at an ACC tournament event? There is no reason they should miss a home tournament game if they were able to perform this postseason at someone else's event. They performed at that ACC event because they were already in DC for the CAA tournament ,it's not like they made a special trip just for the ACC .
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Post by oldschool on Apr 1, 2024 0:57:13 GMT -5
That's crazy because I dont think I have ever seen him with the pep band in Corbett during a basketball game. No need for him to be in Corbett ,he has several assistants for those duties . You my boy Thrilla but you seem to have forgotten the last time you went off on a tangent concerning the band .The BGMM has had a very full and successful schedule this past year ,2023 Band Of The Year ,took place the weekend of the Celebration Bowl(Atlanta),Tournament Of Roses Parade(California) ,during the New Years Holiday . If I'm not mistaken both of those occurred while the other students were out on break .The band not being present was not the reason we lost the game against Troy ,nor was their absence the reason we lost against Gardner-Webb in football last year .
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 1, 2024 7:30:30 GMT -5
I dont blame the band members themselves for not being at the WNIT game; I blame the people in charge for not understanding the importance of making sure the band was at the WNIT game.
First, to debunk the excuse that they were not at the game because it was Easter Weekend, thank you for pointing out their previous participation in Atlanta and Rose Bowl when those were school holidays.
State holidays did not prevent the band from performing somewhere they wanted to be.
Our leadership - starting with Earl Hilton - should have reached out to Dr. Ruff and made sure that the band was ready to perform at all home basketball games for the duration of this unprecedented WNIT run. Not doing so is only another example of the lack of synergy on campus.
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Post by aggie2039 on Apr 1, 2024 7:55:39 GMT -5
Supporting athletics is not the bands priority. The band does not mention athletics one time in regards to their mission.
This is not an athletics leadership issue, it's a Vice Chancellor and Chancellor issue.
Earl can not make Dr Ruff do anything since he doesn't work for him. BGMM bieleves they are independent from and more important than athletics. That issue rests squarely on the shoulders of Dr. Ruff.
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Post by A&T AGGIE 96 on Apr 1, 2024 8:03:45 GMT -5
It seems pretty straight forward to us as fans, but just like it's unusual for one of our teams to be hosting three post season games...it's unusual for our pep band to be playing this far into to post season. We have to learn and make some cultural shifts.
I remember several years back when the MEAC cracked down on bands and stated they could no longer play while the game was underway. Several band heads were upset, but they adjusted...that was the norm in the rest of college football but was not a part of our football culture. Compared to other band programs we still don't do a "great" job of it, but we are getting better at playing in between the snaps, time outs, and call reviews. Band culture at HBCUs is a whole different animal when compared to other colleges...and we will have to evolve.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 1, 2024 8:50:58 GMT -5
I dont even understand how that is even a blind spot at this point.
If you host a postseason athletic event on your campus, it should be all hands on deck.
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Post by Maxell on Apr 1, 2024 10:32:08 GMT -5
As a former bandsman, this is sad but their has been internal squabbling for the last few years between the band and the ither departments. There used to be a tight relationship between the band and athletics back n the day. As the band had to do more self funding the relationship began to sour.
Somhow they think they don't need each other as much anymore. There's enough blame to go around between both departments and the administration.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 1, 2024 11:08:06 GMT -5
That is why I again point to the lack of leadership. Somebody has to be the adult in the room and get everybody of the same page.
Having a public display of internal squabbling just looks foolish. Especially at a time when everybody associated with the university should be celebrating and supporting our women's basketball program.
How the band even had the option to not perform last Friday is something I will never understand.
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Post by oldschool on Apr 1, 2024 15:14:10 GMT -5
As a former bandsman, this is sad but their has been internal squabbling for the last few years between the band and the ither departments. There used to be a tight relationship between the band and athletics back n the day. As the band had to do more self funding the relationship began to sour.Somhow they think they don't need each other as much anymore. There's enough blame to go around between both departments and the administration. The sentence that I highlighted is the root of the whole problem ,the band is not fully funded as it should be ,but some think that they should do as they are told to do ,when we tell you to do it .As the old song goes "No Finance ,No Romance ", IMO the relationship soured years ago when Frazier hall was renovated.After the renovation the band was forced to move out and into what is now the NAPA auto parts store on the corner across from the current band room .They couldn't even fit the whole band into the building at the same time .That was a total lack of foresight on the part of the administration at that time . The band is currently housed in an old warehouse ,and they practice on a gravel parking lot ,there are future plans to build a new dedicated band room and a new dedicated practice field . Until such time ,new band room and practice field and every member including Golden Delight receiving financial assistance in some form,scholarships or stipends we should just chill out on this notion that they should fully support athletics at all times ,when the administration is not fully supporting them .
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 1, 2024 15:23:57 GMT -5
So every member of NCSU's pep band was on full scholarship?
You guys are making the situation worse by coming up with all these ridiculous excuses for why the band didn't perform Friday night.
The bottom line is the band was not in attendance because the band leadership did not think it was important enough for them to be there.
I think Earl Hilton could have reached out to Dr. Ruff and said we need the band to be present at every home game we have during this WNIT run because it is a historic event and we are trying to roll out all the pomp and circumstance. I dont think Dr. Ruff would have declined if he was made aware of the need.
The fact that we can't get two grown people at A&T to communicate about something so simple and mutually beneficial is downright scary.
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Post by oldschool on Apr 1, 2024 15:54:03 GMT -5
So every member of NCSU's pep band was on full scholarship? You guys are making the situation worse by coming up with all these ridiculous excuses for why the band didn't perform Friday night. The bottom line is the band was not in attendance because the band leadership did not think it was important enough for them to be there. I think Earl Hilton could have reached out to Dr. Ruff and said we need the band to be present at every home game we have during this WNIT run because it is a historic event and we are trying to roll out all the pomp and circumstance. I dont think Dr. Ruff would have declined if he was made aware of the need. The fact that we can't get two grown people at A&T to communicate about something so simple and mutually beneficial is downright scary. Never said they had to be on full scholarship ,stop being such a drama queen lol .Again the absence of the pep band had nothing to do with our loss to Troy ,nor did it have anything to do with our loss to Gardner Webb in football last year ,stop deflecting .The attendance was not the same either ,should the students have been required to attend also?
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 1, 2024 16:16:13 GMT -5
There is not a single person here who has suggested that the pep bad would have impacted the final score on Friday night. No one is blaming them for the loss.
The purpose of the pep band is to improve the quality of game operations and showcase the spirit of our university - no different from the cheerleaders and DJ who both happened to be in attendance.
The only person who seems to be deflecting here is you in these ongoing attempts to justify their absence. It was a bad look and it makes no sense.
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Post by Maxell on Apr 1, 2024 17:09:02 GMT -5
If there was a conflict, Martin should have jumped in. But evidently it wasn't important enough to the university.
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Post by oldschool on Apr 1, 2024 17:42:17 GMT -5
There is not a single person here who has suggested that the pep bad would have impacted the final score on Friday night. No one is blaming them for the loss. The purpose of the pep band is to improve the quality of game operations and showcase the spirit of our university - no different from the cheerleaders and DJ who both happened to be in attendance. The only person who seems to be deflecting here is you in these ongoing attempts to justify their absence. It was a bad look and it makes no sense. It wasn't a bad look in my opinion ,so we will have to agree to disagree .Why don't you schedule a podcast on Blue Death After Dark ,with Dr. Martin ,AD Earl Hilton ,and Dr. Ruff as guest ,and demand their presence ,or else !!! #Respect
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