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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 19, 2023 14:40:40 GMT -5
BTW: I think if the federal government has already acknowledged that HBCUS have been systematically underfunded for decades that could set the legal precedent for reparations in the form of the NCAA footing the pay for play bill for the MEAC and SWAC conferences.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Oct 19, 2023 14:50:13 GMT -5
Are HBCUs the only schools that can't afford this model? No. In fact, the FCS, formerly Division 1-AA was supposed to be a cost-saving model for schools that did not want to fund 85 scholarships and Title-IX equivalents. However, even compared to PWIs on the FCS level, most HBCUs in the MEAC and SWAC have budgets that lag behind the FCS Median.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Oct 19, 2023 14:51:29 GMT -5
If... Rather, when Congress passes this bill, it's going to have some very untended consequences for those conferences and those member schools could have a lawsuit on their hands.
And do we really want the Supreme Court deciding this?
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Post by westcoastaggie on Oct 19, 2023 14:52:33 GMT -5
BTW: I think if the federal government has already acknowledged that HBCUS have been systematically underfunded for decades that could set the legal precedent for reparations in the form of the NCAA footing the pay for play bill for the MEAC and SWAC conferences. This is very optimistic. However, there are quite a few PWIs that can't afford it either and will be going "WTF", especially in states that don't prop up College athletic departments.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 19, 2023 15:04:11 GMT -5
I think the HBCUS will have to make a choice: agree to drop any lawsuits against systemic underfunding and we will give your athletic department a subsidy for something like 15 years.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Oct 19, 2023 15:12:40 GMT -5
I think the HBCUS will have to make a choice: agree to drop any lawsuits against systematic underfunding and we will give your athletic department a subsidy for something like 15 years. There's a pesky thing called Deferred Maintenance that may be just a wee bit higher of a priority than increased athletic department subsidies. And then, if you're a private HBCU, good luck.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 19, 2023 15:17:45 GMT -5
Chancellor Martin already admitted he didn't have the stomach for a long legal fight against the states. Other HBCU presidents might just decide to take a settlement in the form of an athletic department subsidy if offered.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Oct 19, 2023 15:23:17 GMT -5
Chancellor Martin already admitted he didn't have the stomach for a long legal fight against the states. Other HBCU presidents might just decide to take a settlement in the form of an athletic department subsidy if offered. If so... That'll be very shortsighted for the overall health of the university. If the Science Building or dorms are in dire need of repair, it'll be a bad look for the football team obtain funding instead. But, that's just my opinion.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Oct 19, 2023 15:24:00 GMT -5
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Post by saabman on Oct 19, 2023 15:27:25 GMT -5
Why should this even be a conversation. NIL contacts have nothing to do with the institutions . The institutions only set guidelines that players have to follow when interning a none school related contacts..i.e eligibility, GPA, missed Class time and sports team interference or anything related to the athletes daily action while he or she is on scholarship. These NIL's Should not even be connected with the institutions and anything out side of the Healthcare and wellness services that is provided in the athletes scholarship contact should not fall back on the institution. That between the athlete and his NIL benefactor and not the responsibility of the institution . These are private parties contacts.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Oct 19, 2023 15:35:25 GMT -5
Why should this even be a conversation. NIL contacts have nothing to do with the institutions . The institutions only set guidelines that players have to follow when interning a none school related contacts..i.e eligibility, GPA, missed Class time and sports team interference or anything related to the athletes daily action while he or she is on scholarship. These NIL's Should not even be connected with the institution. Because the legislation would've mandated schools go beyond NIL, such as scholarship protections for student athletes.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 19, 2023 15:45:21 GMT -5
Chancellor Martin already admitted he didn't have the stomach for a long legal fight against the states. Other HBCU presidents might just decide to take a settlement in the form of an athletic department subsidy if offered. If so... That'll be very shortsighted for the overall health of the university. If the Science Building or dorms are in dire need of repair, it'll be a bad look for the football team obtain funding instead. But, that's just my opinion. What buildings would be repaired on A&T's campus if Martin doesn't even want to support a lawsuit? A theoretical athletic department subsidy would not be ideal, but something would be better than nothing.
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 19, 2023 16:01:22 GMT -5
Are HBCUs the only schools that can't afford this model? HBCU conferences are the only ones that wrote a letter saying we cant afford it please save us.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Oct 19, 2023 16:04:05 GMT -5
If so... That'll be very shortsighted for the overall health of the university. If the Science Building or dorms are in dire need of repair, it'll be a bad look for the football team obtain funding instead. But, that's just my opinion. What buildings would repaired on A&T's campus if Martin doesn't even want to support a lawsuit? A theoretical athletic department subsidy would not be ideal, but something would be better than nothing. 1. The Chancellor doesn't have to file the lawsuit. Any Student or alumnus can file. In fact, it's probably not favorable for a chancellor to use that avenue. 2. We have to expand this out from just A&T for a second. I know this is BDV and all, but this affects all D1 HBCU, especially those in the MEAC and SWAC. 3. For many of these schools, they have more prominent priorities compared to athletics such as housing, building repairs, physical plant upgrades, etc... The public school presidents gotta thread the needle for the university as a whole. And the Private School presidents are in entirely different boat all-together. If you are a private on the D1 level, outside of maybe Howard and Hampton, athletics is really isn't your number 1 priority if you're an HBCU President.
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Post by saabman on Oct 19, 2023 16:57:29 GMT -5
Why should this even be a conversation. NIL contacts have nothing to do with the institutions . The institutions only set guidelines that players have to follow when interning a none school related contacts..i.e eligibility, GPA, missed Class time and sports team interference or anything related to the athletes daily action while he or she is on scholarship. These NIL's Should not even be connected with the institution. Because the legislation would've mandated schools go beyond NIL, such as scholarship protections for student athletes. The NCAA already has scholarship protection in place for student athletes. NIL is and outside contractual entity agreement between the student and the NIL provider and shouldn't have any effect on the services provided by the institution what so ever. The student is protected as long as he or she remains eligible and follows the performance rules and standards stipulated in his or her contractual scholarship agreement.
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