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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 27, 2023 16:17:45 GMT -5
what is it about "high school" that ya'll are so stuck on? cohen didn't have any "stars" coming outta high school either and cohen didn't receive not even "1" d1 scholarship offer except a&t. same for mr. big stuff (parker), and same for darryl johnson. yet, guess what all 3 of those guys did while at a&t? yep, all 3 were talented enuf in college that all 3 "got drafted" by the nfl!you think the nfl cares about what cohen, parker, and johnson did in "high school"? dude, just admit it. you don't know how to recognize "talent" when you see it either cuz what someone did in "high school" is how you judge today's talent whether they further developed or not. it ain't about what someone did in "high school"! are they still playing in high school? is it not 2 or 3 years later since they were in high school? is hooker the only one on earth who can't improve in 3 years? i'll tell you without hesitation that there was no other qb who was on our roster this season that can go thru their "progressions" better and more efficiently than hooker, period, point blank. but i guess some of ya'll wouldn't even know that because some of ya'll wouldn't know how to recognize whether a qb can efficiently process multiple progressions or not, even if it "stared you in the face"... What these kids did in HS is the most relevant data we have on them prior to them playing at the CFB level, just like the NFL cares about what they did in college before going to that level. Idk if anyone is “stuck” on high school so much as it’s a natural barometer for the kids we bring in, until they’ve played a few snaps at the CFB level and then we can go off of that (transfer portal players and soph/jr/sr players who have seen the field. On the current staffs ability to evaluate talent, we will be able to safely call it one way or another after this second season and recruiting class. On field results aside. But there was little evidence from last season to suggest that Hooker was the obvious answer for this team, nor can we safely say that after the Campbell game, because Hooker had the least playing time and lesser stats compared to the two QBs they went with. Those two QBs were two of the four returning players to have scored a TD from last season. They showed some promise, in-game, worth the opportunity of being 1-2 where Hooker did not. Nobody saw all of practices so we can’t collectively call that part, but it’s not wrong to suggest that Hooker should have gotten an opportunity sooner in the year. Also, there is but one progression in a passing play. There are multiple reads. Some reads happen before the snap but there are coverage reads (self explanatory) and progression reads (1st & 2nd target, etc) that happen during the play. Maybe it’s a case of different generations using differing lingo but QBs go through multiple reads not multiple progressions. brickhandler played far "less" than hooker played last season. so hooker did have more playing time last season than brick. but that's not what a coach should base their judgement of talent on. i "TOTALLY" disagree that what a kid did in high school "matters" when he or she is playing that sport in college. again, if cohen's high school career determined his playing time at a&t, he hardly would've seen the field. you don't judge your talent based on a kid's resume'. instead, you judge your talent based on what you "see" with your own eyes in person. i dare anyone to show me a qb who was on our roster this season who could " more efficiently" go thru their progressions and make the right passing "decisions" than hooker. certainly not yeager, not brick, and not kj either. kj was the best "athlete" between the 4 qb's, but he lacked the "pocket presence" and the ability to mentally "process progressions" efficiently like hooker can. brick lacked the exact same things and yeager (in my opinion) is not even in the conversation. folk keep talkin' bout we need a qb coach. well, hooker already has "2" outstanding qb coaches (his dad and his brother) and one of them is currently playing qb in the nfl for the detroit lions. i don't think any qb on our roster has received better "qb coaching" than hooker and "it shows". i played backup qb in high school, i've stood in a "pocket" before with 250lb dudes trying to rip my friggin' head off as i go thru progressions and i can tell you for a fact that it ain't "easy". but hooker has that ability...
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Post by crowntownaggie on Nov 27, 2023 17:14:05 GMT -5
What these kids did in HS is the most relevant data we have on them prior to them playing at the CFB level, just like the NFL cares about what they did in college before going to that level. Idk if anyone is “stuck” on high school so much as it’s a natural barometer for the kids we bring in, until they’ve played a few snaps at the CFB level and then we can go off of that (transfer portal players and soph/jr/sr players who have seen the field. On the current staffs ability to evaluate talent, we will be able to safely call it one way or another after this second season and recruiting class. On field results aside. But there was little evidence from last season to suggest that Hooker was the obvious answer for this team, nor can we safely say that after the Campbell game, because Hooker had the least playing time and lesser stats compared to the two QBs they went with. Those two QBs were two of the four returning players to have scored a TD from last season. They showed some promise, in-game, worth the opportunity of being 1-2 where Hooker did not. Nobody saw all of practices so we can’t collectively call that part, but it’s not wrong to suggest that Hooker should have gotten an opportunity sooner in the year. Also, there is but one progression in a passing play. There are multiple reads. Some reads happen before the snap but there are coverage reads (self explanatory) and progression reads (1st & 2nd target, etc) that happen during the play. Maybe it’s a case of different generations using differing lingo but QBs go through multiple reads not multiple progressions. brickhandler played far "less" than hooker played last season. so hooker did have more playing time last season than brick. but that's not what a coach should base their judgement of talent on. i "TOTALLY" disagree that what a kid did in high school "matters" when he or she is playing that sport in college. again, if cohen's high school career determined his playing time at a&t, he hardly would've seen the field. you don't judge your talent based on a kid's resume'. instead, you judge your talent based on what you "see" with your own eyes in person. i dare anyone to show me a qb who was on our roster this season who could " more efficiently" go thru their progressions and make the right passing "decisions" than hooker. certainly not yeager, not brick, and not kj either. kj was the best "athlete" between the 4 qb's, but he lacked the "pocket presence" and the ability to mentally "process progressions" efficiently like hooker can. brick lacked the exact same things and yeager (in my opinion) is not even in the conversation. folk keep talkin' bout we need a qb coach. well, hooker already has "2" outstanding qb coaches (his dad and his brother) and one of them is currently playing qb in the nfl for the detroit lions. i don't think any qb on our roster has received better "qb coaching" than hooker and "it shows". i played backup qb in high school, i've stood in a "pocket" before with 250lb dudes trying to rip my friggin' head off as i go thru progressions and i can tell you for a fact that it ain't "easy". but hooker has that ability... You sound like a friend of the family that’s just expressing the frustrations of said family or player at this point because you’re ignoring clear fact to insert opinion. Brick may have had less snaps but he had better production with the offense against a FBS opponent. That is not something Hooker can claim, he came on in spot duty and was both inconsistent and ineffective. You’re talking about the current staff inability to judge talent and you can’t even do the same thing without taking your heart out of the equation. Then you keep beating a drum about how HS success doesn’t matter, I can guarantee you that Cohen likely doesn’t get looks from the FCS level if he wasn’t as productive (being an all conference player in HS). It’s literally impossible to exclude HS production when the sample size is a handful of CFB snaps, or none at all which is how coaches initially evaluate most of the players brought onto a CFB team. Only transfers have pre existing CFB tape to go off of. Add to that point, the tape on Hooker wasn’t impressive. You can type three books about how you know his daddy and that won’t change, he was below average in his less than 20 pass attempts. Maybe he matured, maybe Campbell was not playing their starters/playing prevent D. All of that is speculation, he didn’t show or prove it beforehand though and we can only argue that he maybe should have played sooner this year. Then you sat here and brought up your playing experience in HS as a response to me politely telling you that you were wrong about saying how half the site wouldn’t be able to tell if a QB is going through his multiple progressions (not reads, the appropriate term) because you’re in your feelings. Maybe take a break until spring practice starts. All that rah rah can’t be good for your health oleschool.
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Post by saabman on Nov 27, 2023 17:46:52 GMT -5
brickhandler played far "less" than hooker played last season. so hooker did have more playing time last season than brick. but that's not what a coach should base their judgement of talent on. i "TOTALLY" disagree that what a kid did in high school "matters" when he or she is playing that sport in college. again, if cohen's high school career determined his playing time at a&t, he hardly would've seen the field. you don't judge your talent based on a kid's resume'. instead, you judge your talent based on what you "see" with your own eyes in person. i dare anyone to show me a qb who was on our roster this season who could " more efficiently" go thru their progressions and make the right passing "decisions" than hooker. certainly not yeager, not brick, and not kj either. kj was the best "athlete" between the 4 qb's, but he lacked the "pocket presence" and the ability to mentally "process progressions" efficiently like hooker can. brick lacked the exact same things and yeager (in my opinion) is not even in the conversation. folk keep talkin' bout we need a qb coach. well, hooker already has "2" outstanding qb coaches (his dad and his brother) and one of them is currently playing qb in the nfl for the detroit lions. i don't think any qb on our roster has received better "qb coaching" than hooker and "it shows". i played backup qb in high school, i've stood in a "pocket" before with 250lb dudes trying to rip my friggin' head off as i go thru progressions and i can tell you for a fact that it ain't "easy". but hooker has that ability... You sound like a friend of the family that’s just expressing the frustrations of said family or player at this point because you’re ignoring clear fact to insert opinion. Brick may have had less snaps but he had better production with the offense against a FBS opponent. That is not something Hooker can claim, he came on in spot duty and was both inconsistent and ineffective. You’re talking about the current staff inability to judge talent and you can’t even do the same thing without taking your heart out of the equation. Then you keep beating a drum about how HS success doesn’t matter, I can guarantee you that Cohen likely doesn’t get looks from the FCS level if he wasn’t as productive (being an all conference player in HS). It’s literally impossible to exclude HS production when the sample size is a handful of CFB snaps, or none at all which is how coaches initially evaluate most of the players brought onto a CFB team. Only transfers have pre existing CFB tape to go off of. Add to that point, the tape on Hooker wasn’t impressive. You can type three books about how you know his daddy and that won’t change, he was below average in his less than 20 pass attempts. Maybe he matured, maybe Campbell was not playing their starters/playing prevent D. All of that is speculation, he didn’t show or prove it beforehand though and we can only argue that he maybe should have played sooner this year. Then you sat here and brought up your playing experience in HS as a response to me politely telling you that you were wrong about saying how half the site wouldn’t be able to tell if a QB is going through his multiple progressions (not reads, the appropriate term) because you’re in your feelings. Maybe take a break until spring practice starts. All that rah rah can’t be good for your health oleschool. CTA really I can always tell when someone has no idea what they are talking about when they start singing insults his opinion is just as valuable as yours. And from my point of view a lot of your opinions have been dead wrong. What day are your opinions SMIB RESPECT.
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Post by planoaggie on Nov 27, 2023 17:56:57 GMT -5
Here is another spin on my take on this discussion. I already wrote my thesis so this, so this will be short. 😁
Hypothetical: If 10 coaches correctly evaluated Hooker during preseason and they slotted him 4th on the depth chart, then he was not going to see the field much. If 10 coaches wrongfully evaluated Hooker during preseason and they slotted him 4th on the depth chart, then he was not going to see the field much.
Conclusion: If a QB is slotted 4th then he will not see the field no matter how the coaches reached their decision during the preseason.
Hooker being slotted 4th determined his usage during the season. That is not debatable. What is a loss cause is us trying to debate what information A&T coaches used to justify their rankings? What you or someone else value as useful may not have entered the equation. Let's just drop this unknown part of the discussion and see how good Coach Brown and the "new staff" are in evaluating talent going forward. That's what matters now. If Hooker is good and he stays, let us pray that the new staff will slot him higher this time around to where he may play more. If the new staff slots him last again, then there will be no debate on his expected playing time.
In everyone's posts, I see a common denominator which is that Coach Brown and staff have to show that they can successfully evaluate player's talent.
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Post by crowntownaggie on Nov 27, 2023 18:22:05 GMT -5
You sound like a friend of the family that’s just expressing the frustrations of said family or player at this point because you’re ignoring clear fact to insert opinion. Brick may have had less snaps but he had better production with the offense against a FBS opponent. That is not something Hooker can claim, he came on in spot duty and was both inconsistent and ineffective. You’re talking about the current staff inability to judge talent and you can’t even do the same thing without taking your heart out of the equation. Then you keep beating a drum about how HS success doesn’t matter, I can guarantee you that Cohen likely doesn’t get looks from the FCS level if he wasn’t as productive (being an all conference player in HS). It’s literally impossible to exclude HS production when the sample size is a handful of CFB snaps, or none at all which is how coaches initially evaluate most of the players brought onto a CFB team. Only transfers have pre existing CFB tape to go off of. Add to that point, the tape on Hooker wasn’t impressive. You can type three books about how you know his daddy and that won’t change, he was below average in his less than 20 pass attempts. Maybe he matured, maybe Campbell was not playing their starters/playing prevent D. All of that is speculation, he didn’t show or prove it beforehand though and we can only argue that he maybe should have played sooner this year. Then you sat here and brought up your playing experience in HS as a response to me politely telling you that you were wrong about saying how half the site wouldn’t be able to tell if a QB is going through his multiple progressions (not reads, the appropriate term) because you’re in your feelings. Maybe take a break until spring practice starts. All that rah rah can’t be good for your health oleschool. CTA really I can always tell when someone has no idea what they are talking about when they start singing insults his opinion is just as valuable as yours. And from my point of view a lot of your opinions have been dead wrong. What day are your opinions SMIB RESPECT. Where did I make a personal insult? Because it’s clear this person has personal interest involved, it’s not an insult to tell someone they’re out of pocket. And my wrong opinions have been what exactly? From where I stand you’re the only one making it personal, must be a friend of the FOF.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 27, 2023 18:39:33 GMT -5
brickhandler played far "less" than hooker played last season. so hooker did have more playing time last season than brick. but that's not what a coach should base their judgement of talent on. i "TOTALLY" disagree that what a kid did in high school "matters" when he or she is playing that sport in college. again, if cohen's high school career determined his playing time at a&t, he hardly would've seen the field. you don't judge your talent based on a kid's resume'. instead, you judge your talent based on what you "see" with your own eyes in person. i dare anyone to show me a qb who was on our roster this season who could " more efficiently" go thru their progressions and make the right passing "decisions" than hooker. certainly not yeager, not brick, and not kj either. kj was the best "athlete" between the 4 qb's, but he lacked the "pocket presence" and the ability to mentally "process progressions" efficiently like hooker can. brick lacked the exact same things and yeager (in my opinion) is not even in the conversation. folk keep talkin' bout we need a qb coach. well, hooker already has "2" outstanding qb coaches (his dad and his brother) and one of them is currently playing qb in the nfl for the detroit lions. i don't think any qb on our roster has received better "qb coaching" than hooker and "it shows". i played backup qb in high school, i've stood in a "pocket" before with 250lb dudes trying to rip my friggin' head off as i go thru progressions and i can tell you for a fact that it ain't "easy". but hooker has that ability... You sound like a friend of the family that’s just expressing the frustrations of said family or player at this point because you’re ignoring clear fact to insert opinion. Brick may have had less snaps but he had better production with the offense against a FBS opponent. That is not something Hooker can claim, he came on in spot duty and was both inconsistent and ineffective. You’re talking about the current staff inability to judge talent and you can’t even do the same thing without taking your heart out of the equation. Then you keep beating a drum about how HS success doesn’t matter, I can guarantee you that Cohen likely doesn’t get looks from the FCS level if he wasn’t as productive (being an all conference player in HS). It’s literally impossible to exclude HS production when the sample size is a handful of CFB snaps, or none at all which is how coaches initially evaluate most of the players brought onto a CFB team. Only transfers have pre existing CFB tape to go off of. Add to that point, the tape on Hooker wasn’t impressive. You can type three books about how you know his daddy and that won’t change, he was below average in his less than 20 pass attempts. Maybe he matured, maybe Campbell was not playing their starters/playing prevent D. All of that is speculation, he didn’t show or prove it beforehand though and we can only argue that he maybe should have played sooner this year. Then you sat here and brought up your playing experience in HS as a response to me politely telling you that you were wrong about saying how half the site wouldn’t be able to tell if a QB is going through his multiple progressions (not reads, the appropriate term) because you’re in your feelings. Maybe take a break until spring practice starts. All that rah rah can’t be good for your health oleschool. first of all, i am not related to alston hooker whatsoever, not even extended family. there are no "emotions" involved with my evaluation of hooker. i just happen to "know" when a qb properly and efficiently goes thru his progressions. i'm not so sure that you do cuz you ain't once said anything about qb "fundamentals" such as going thru progressions which is "critically" important for qb's. the reason kj and brick kept finding themselves "in trouble" from the pocket was because they both "took too long" to go thru their progressions. the oc was also partially the blame cuz the oc called plays that required our young qb's to go thru down field progressions which takes longer to develop and required the qb to "efficiently" read his options which neither kj nor brick were good at doing, "yet". so talk to me about who can "efficiently" go thru their progressions versus who can't. relative to your "high school" comment, you're talking about judging high school players to determine whether to offer them or not. BUT THAT'S IRRELEVANT!! once you're already in college, what you did in high school is not how you judge the talent that you have available. so if you're gonna quote me, then quote me correctly. i did not say high school success doesn't matter. what i said was, what an athlete "did" in high school doesn't matter when he or she is playing that sport in college. now, relative to "terminology", let me help you out. if you don't know what "progressions" are, then already i know that you don't know what you're talkin' bout; blogs.usafootball.com/blog/6127/how-to-teach-the-progression-passing-game-to-your-players
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Post by crowntownaggie on Nov 27, 2023 18:49:01 GMT -5
You sound like a friend of the family that’s just expressing the frustrations of said family or player at this point because you’re ignoring clear fact to insert opinion. Brick may have had less snaps but he had better production with the offense against a FBS opponent. That is not something Hooker can claim, he came on in spot duty and was both inconsistent and ineffective. You’re talking about the current staff inability to judge talent and you can’t even do the same thing without taking your heart out of the equation. Then you keep beating a drum about how HS success doesn’t matter, I can guarantee you that Cohen likely doesn’t get looks from the FCS level if he wasn’t as productive (being an all conference player in HS). It’s literally impossible to exclude HS production when the sample size is a handful of CFB snaps, or none at all which is how coaches initially evaluate most of the players brought onto a CFB team. Only transfers have pre existing CFB tape to go off of. Add to that point, the tape on Hooker wasn’t impressive. You can type three books about how you know his daddy and that won’t change, he was below average in his less than 20 pass attempts. Maybe he matured, maybe Campbell was not playing their starters/playing prevent D. All of that is speculation, he didn’t show or prove it beforehand though and we can only argue that he maybe should have played sooner this year. Then you sat here and brought up your playing experience in HS as a response to me politely telling you that you were wrong about saying how half the site wouldn’t be able to tell if a QB is going through his multiple progressions (not reads, the appropriate term) because you’re in your feelings. Maybe take a break until spring practice starts. All that rah rah can’t be good for your health oleschool. first of all, i am not related to alston hooker whatsoever, not even extended family. there are no "emotions" involved with my evaluation of hooker. i just happen to "know" when a qb properly and efficiently goes thru his progressions. i'm not so sure that you do cuz you ain't once said anything about qb "fundamentals" such as going thru progressions which is "critically" important for qb's. the reason kj and brick kept finding themselves "in trouble" from the pocket was because they both "took too long" to go thru their progressions. the oc was also partially the blame cuz the oc called plays that required our young qb's to go thru down field progressions which takes longer to develop and required the qb to "efficiently" read his options which neither kj nor brick were good at doing, "yet". so talk to me about who can "efficiently" go thru their progressions versus who can't. relative to your "high school" comment, you're talking about judging high school players to determine whether to offer them or not. BUT THAT'S IRRELEVANT!! once you're already in college, what you did in high school is not how you judge the talent that you have available. so if you're gonna quote me, then quote me correctly. i did not say high school success doesn't matter. what i said was, what an athlete "did" in high school doesn't matter when he or she is playing that sport in college. now, relative to "terminology", let me help you out. if you don't know what "progressions" are, then already i know that you don't know what you're talkin' bout; blogs.usafootball.com/blog/6127/how-to-teach-the-progression-passing-game-to-your-playersWhat you quoted and shared is exactly what I already explained, progression reads (1st, 2nd, 3rd target), show me where it talks about having your QB go through multiple progressions in a play. The problem in here is that some of y’all like being in an echo chamber and don’t like to be told when you’re not right about something. One play has one progression, not multiple progressions as you put it. Thank you for proving the point I already made yesterday, you don’t know what you’re talking about and being reactionary to a bad season. You saw that Hooker was better at going through his progression in 14 pass attempts (that he completed less than half of btw) is straight bull and it bothered me so much I had to call you out for trying to come off like some kind of football savant. Hooker ain’t got enough college tape to make a sound evaluation, he clearly hasn’t been the best guy in practice or he would’ve had more opportunity under both staffs. Get over yourself.
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Post by saabman on Nov 27, 2023 19:03:17 GMT -5
CTA really I can always tell when someone has no idea what they are talking about when they start singing insults his opinion is just as valuable as yours. And from my point of view a lot of your opinions have been dead wrong. What day are your opinions SMIB RESPECT. Where did I make a personal insult? Because it’s clear this person has personal interest involved, it’s not an insult to tell someone they’re out of pocket. And my wrong opinions have been what exactly? From where I stand you’re the only one making it personal, must be a friend of the FOF. You're making my point 😆 🤣 😂
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Post by saabman on Nov 27, 2023 19:07:13 GMT -5
first of all, i am not related to alston hooker whatsoever, not even extended family. there are no "emotions" involved with my evaluation of hooker. i just happen to "know" when a qb properly and efficiently goes thru his progressions. i'm not so sure that you do cuz you ain't once said anything about qb "fundamentals" such as going thru progressions which is "critically" important for qb's. the reason kj and brick kept finding themselves "in trouble" from the pocket was because they both "took too long" to go thru their progressions. the oc was also partially the blame cuz the oc called plays that required our young qb's to go thru down field progressions which takes longer to develop and required the qb to "efficiently" read his options which neither kj nor brick were good at doing, "yet". so talk to me about who can "efficiently" go thru their progressions versus who can't. relative to your "high school" comment, you're talking about judging high school players to determine whether to offer them or not. BUT THAT'S IRRELEVANT!! once you're already in college, what you did in high school is not how you judge the talent that you have available. so if you're gonna quote me, then quote me correctly. i did not say high school success doesn't matter. what i said was, what an athlete "did" in high school doesn't matter when he or she is playing that sport in college. now, relative to "terminology", let me help you out. if you don't know what "progressions" are, then already i know that you don't know what you're talkin' bout; blogs.usafootball.com/blog/6127/how-to-teach-the-progression-passing-game-to-your-playersWhat you quoted and shared is exactly what I already explained, progression reads (1st, 2nd, 3rd target), show me where it talks about having your QB go through multiple progressions in a play. The problem in here is that some of y’all like being in an echo chamber and don’t like to be told when you’re not right about something. One play has one progression, not multiple progressions as you put it. Thank you for proving the point I already made yesterday, you don’t know what you’re talking about and being reactionary to a bad season. You saw that Hooker was better at going through his progression in 14 pass attempts (that he completed less than half of btw) is straight bull and it bothered me so much I had to call you out for trying to come off like some kind of football savant. Hooker ain’t got enough college tape to make a sound evaluation, he clearly hasn’t been the best guy in practice or he would’ve had more opportunity under both staffs. Get over yourself. Wrong again but carry on 😆 🤣 😂
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Post by crowntownaggie on Nov 27, 2023 19:14:09 GMT -5
Saab you should be laughing in a mirror, still ain’t showed me where I made anything personal. You proved my point in this being an echo chamber though, Oleschool tried to sound football smart using incorrect terminology. He then shared a section of an article that proves my point by mentioning progression (singular not plural). Instead of taking the L and minding your business you doubled down by liking that mess and then saying how I proved your point without showing where the personal insult happened (that’s the part about some of y’all not liking it when you’re wrong). It’s okay though, just know we ain’t laughing w you.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 27, 2023 19:14:55 GMT -5
first of all, i am not related to alston hooker whatsoever, not even extended family. there are no "emotions" involved with my evaluation of hooker. i just happen to "know" when a qb properly and efficiently goes thru his progressions. i'm not so sure that you do cuz you ain't once said anything about qb "fundamentals" such as going thru progressions which is "critically" important for qb's. the reason kj and brick kept finding themselves "in trouble" from the pocket was because they both "took too long" to go thru their progressions. the oc was also partially the blame cuz the oc called plays that required our young qb's to go thru down field progressions which takes longer to develop and required the qb to "efficiently" read his options which neither kj nor brick were good at doing, "yet". so talk to me about who can "efficiently" go thru their progressions versus who can't. relative to your "high school" comment, you're talking about judging high school players to determine whether to offer them or not. BUT THAT'S IRRELEVANT!! once you're already in college, what you did in high school is not how you judge the talent that you have available. so if you're gonna quote me, then quote me correctly. i did not say high school success doesn't matter. what i said was, what an athlete "did" in high school doesn't matter when he or she is playing that sport in college. now, relative to "terminology", let me help you out. if you don't know what "progressions" are, then already i know that you don't know what you're talkin' bout; blogs.usafootball.com/blog/6127/how-to-teach-the-progression-passing-game-to-your-playersWhat you quoted and shared is exactly what I already explained, progression reads (1st, 2nd, 3rd target), show me where it talks about having your QB go through multiple progressions in a play. The problem in here is that some of y’all like being in an echo chamber and don’t like to be told when you’re not right about something. One play has one progression, not multiple progressions as you put it. Thank you for proving the point I already made yesterday, you don’t know what you’re talking about and being reactionary to a bad season. You saw that Hooker was better at going through his progression in 14 pass attempts (that he completed less than half of btw) is straight bull and it bothered me so much I had to call you out for trying to come off like some kind of football savant. Hooker ain’t got enough college tape to make a sound evaluation, he clearly hasn’t been the best guy in practice or he would’ve had more opportunity under both staffs. Get over yourself. like i said, if you don't know what going thru "progressions" mean, then you don't know what you're talkin' bout, period, point blank. secondly, i praised hooker "LAST SEASON" for the very same reasons i praised him "this season". now do your doggone homework, search on my name and hooker as keywords and you will see that i praised hooker's fundamentals "LAST SEASON" long before he played against campbell this season. you don't know what you're talkin' bout...
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Post by crowntownaggie on Nov 27, 2023 19:17:46 GMT -5
What you quoted and shared is exactly what I already explained, progression reads (1st, 2nd, 3rd target), show me where it talks about having your QB go through multiple progressions in a play. The problem in here is that some of y’all like being in an echo chamber and don’t like to be told when you’re not right about something. One play has one progression, not multiple progressions as you put it. Thank you for proving the point I already made yesterday, you don’t know what you’re talking about and being reactionary to a bad season. You saw that Hooker was better at going through his progression in 14 pass attempts (that he completed less than half of btw) is straight bull and it bothered me so much I had to call you out for trying to come off like some kind of football savant. Hooker ain’t got enough college tape to make a sound evaluation, he clearly hasn’t been the best guy in practice or he would’ve had more opportunity under both staffs. Get over yourself. like i said, if you don't know what going thru "progressions" mean, then you don't know what you're talkin' bout, period, point blank... You’re changing your syntax but it’s not saving face. I know what going through a progression is, there is no multiple like you tried to educate the rest of us in here on.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 27, 2023 19:26:48 GMT -5
like i said, if you don't know what going thru "progressions" mean, then you don't know what you're talkin' bout, period, point blank... You’re changing your syntax but it’s not saving face. I know what going through a progression is, there is no multiple like you tried to educate the rest of us in here on. deflection, deflection, deflection! all you're doing is "deflecting" cuz you do not have any factual basis for your argument. so you resort to "semantics" cuz you're losing this debate big time. still no comments on what qb's on the roster are better at going thru progressions than hooker. carry on, sir...
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Post by crowntownaggie on Nov 27, 2023 19:45:52 GMT -5
My argument is that you were way out of pocket trying to challenge the football knowledge of anyone who doesn’t agree that Hooker hadn’t earned his shot, a POV entirely rooted in fact. He saw limited duty under the last staff, fact. He completed less than half the attempts he got to throw and was the only returning QB without a passing TD, fact. He is a young player who hasn’t played enough CFB for anyone to call it one way or another, fact. You tried to say anyone who disagreed couldn’t tell if a QB is going through multiple progressions (not reads), fact. There is no factual evidence that Hooker is better at going through his progression compared to the others either. I’ve said several times how we can’t call it one way or the other but we can say he was not good in the snaps he did get last year.
Only claim I made without fact is you being friend of family, which was more about me trying to make sense of you beating this dead horse about how Hooker showed his worth when he factually did not.
Only person trying to manipulate their wording is you because you’re realizing that you sat here and questioned the knowledge of anyone else in here based on them not agreeing, and only outed your own lack of football terminology as a result. Now you and your friend want to act like I said something about your mother, or something actually insulting. And it all stems from you being way too emotional about a topic you can’t change (to the point of annoyance).
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 27, 2023 20:14:38 GMT -5
again, you don't know what you're talkin' bout, period. "google" going through progressions if you don't know what it means...
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