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Post by marchingband1969 on Sept 20, 2023 15:17:35 GMT -5
This isn't directed at anyone in particular but just a general observation. The University's Leadership (Chancellor & BOT) has been given the responsibility to make decisions, at all levels and in all areas, for the University. Whether it's what programs will be funded, how buildings will be used, where and how funds will be spent and what sports conference the University teams will play in. The Alumni may not like this arrangement, but this is how it is. Oh, and there's nothing in the University leadership's contract (I don't think there is) that says the University Leadership must confer or seek the alumni's approval on those decisions. In most cases, the University Leadership makes an attempt to not piss off the alumni but that's not always possible either.
Now, the alumni can demonstrate their displeasure with the University's leaderships decision by withholding their donations, boycotting University events and voicing their displeasure on social media. But it's still the University Leadership's place to make those decisions.
I have been fascinated that some alumni members appear to have the impression that the University Leadership is obligated to discuss and justify decisions they make. And if the alumni are not happy or do not agree with the decisions, the University's Leadership should not have made that decision.
As an old A&T Alumni, I have disagreed with lots of decisions made by the University Leadership. Sometimes I protest by sending them a letter, withhold my donations, stop attending University functions and all of the above. But no matter how much I hate the decisions, I understand that it's the University Leadership's responsibility. I stomp around mad for a while then I put on my Aggie gear and go to the next A&T event.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Sept 20, 2023 16:05:53 GMT -5
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Post by saabman on Sept 20, 2023 17:38:08 GMT -5
This dude doesn't or hasn't any idea what bad is . He needs to talk with some of the old heads about sacrifice . |
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Post by A&T-roy on Sept 20, 2023 20:57:37 GMT -5
This dude doesn't or hasn't any idea what bad is . He needs to talk with some of the old heads about sacrifice . What he needs to do is ask Delaware State why they had to use our trainers when we played them on that Thursday night a few years ago. AND go compare our facilities, etc to ALL of the facilities in the MEAC. Bottom of the barrel my ARSE! |
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Post by aggieblackie2 on Sept 20, 2023 21:44:10 GMT -5
Because they did not make it to the next level. What does there not making a NFL team have to do with this conversation . Also if you get a NFL training camp invitation, you made it to the ultimate level in American football you just didn't stick. There are the pro leagues, as long as you get a check your professional. That sums it up Saabman by your quote, they just didn't stick. They are not at the next level. |
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Post by lilboy on Sept 21, 2023 8:02:51 GMT -5
What does there not making a NFL team have to do with this conversation . Also if you get a NFL training camp invitation, you made it to the ultimate level in American football you just didn't stick. There are the pro leagues, as long as you get a check your professional. That sums it up Saabman by your quote, they just didn't stick. They are not at the next level. Again…WTH does that have to do with George Washington birthday? |
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Post by aggieswag on Sept 21, 2023 9:50:19 GMT -5
Changing coaches was a risk it could have gone either way. Unfortunately it went the worst way possible .. these players are lashing out partially due to loyalty of their coach and partially because all the blood sweat tears they poured into the program was dismantled.
Administration had to know this would happen if the coach selection was bogus. I’m not saying it’s bogus because the man is new. No one is as good their first year as they are their 5th year. But it does seem like a steep learning curve is having to happen.
But I respect their perspective and arguments. It’s all of our responsibility and theirs to hold the administration accountable for decisions they make. And I’m not trying to hear about donations. Decisions should be made on the reality of what our current donation status is.
But we can’t fire Sam Washington and say he’s not up to the job and give the job to someone who came a place that had greater resources. It’s a problem we have - from Corbett to Hayes - we expect our players and coaches to perform miracles and point to programs that have more resources and say we should be like that. Well fund like that & then we can do an apples to apples comparison.
All I know is as much complaints I heard about Sam Washington he never put on the field what I’ve seen the past 3 weeks. And would never. So this coach might or might now work out but in either case we need to make sure the administration is doing their part to make sure our facilities, staff, & environment is held to the same standards they hold to players and coaches .. in my opinion it’s always been a mismatch.. you expect players and coaches to go beyond and give their all plus some and the administration is like hear is some paint to make the Aggie Bulldog on the Jumbotron look better.
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Post by A&T-roy on Sept 21, 2023 10:59:55 GMT -5
Changing coaches was a risk it could have gone either way. Unfortunately it went the worst way possible .. these players are lashing out partially due to loyalty of their coach and partially because all the blood sweat tears they poured into the program was dismantled. Administration had to know this would happen if the coach selection was bogus. I’m not saying it’s bogus because the man is new. No one is as good their first year as they are their 5th year. But it does seem like a steep learning curve is having to happen. But I respect their perspective and arguments. It’s all of our responsibility and theirs to hold the administration accountable for decisions they make. And I’m not trying to hear about donations. Decisions should be made on the reality of what our current donation status is. But we can’t fire Sam Washington and say he’s not up to the job and give the job to someone who came a place that had greater resources. It’s a problem we have - from Corbett to Hayes - we expect our players and coaches to perform miracles and point to programs that have more resources and say we should be like that. Well fund like that & then we can do an apples to apples comparison. All I know is as much complaints I heard about Sam Washington he never put on the field what I’ve seen the past 3 weeks. And would never. So this coach might or might now work out but in either case we need to make sure the administration is doing their part to make sure our facilities, staff, & environment is held to the same standards they hold to players and coaches .. in my opinion it’s always been a mismatch.. you expect players and coaches to go beyond and give their all plus some and the administration is like hear is some paint to make the Aggie Bulldog on the Jumbotron look better. I respect the parts of their arguments that aren't just flat out wrong, like Ron Hunt saying we're bottom of the barrel, etc. |
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Post by A&T-roy on Sept 21, 2023 11:07:21 GMT -5
I hate to break it to you .. but the only move up is to FBS. The CAA has tougher competition but it’s not a move up. Yes Richmond kicked us in the chest but the whole reason we were playing them is because just a week prior NCCU beat us worse and was a better team than Richmond. I have tried to follow the reasons why we moved conferences. If it wasn’t for money, if it wasn’t for better exposure, if it wasn’t for travel distance, if it wasn’t for the R1 status or academics then what was it for?? Someone please enlighten me. I must have missed the real memo. Um, the CAA IS a "move up" in "level of competition" at the FCS level. Just like if a G5 school like Kent St, at the FBS level, moved to the SEC. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 21, 2023 12:35:49 GMT -5
This dude doesn't or hasn't any idea what bad is . He needs to talk with some of the old heads about sacrifice . What he needs to do is ask Delaware State why they had to use our trainers when we played them on that Thursday night a few years ago. AND go compare our facilities, etc to ALL of the facilities in the MEAC. Bottom of the barrel my ARSE! the last folk on earth that "grown" alums should debate with are undergrads or very recent grads. man, let them youngins vent, especially former football players. they are closer to knowing the truth than us message board posters. just like most alums, the youngins will mature in the coming years and perhaps at that time they will have a totally different perspective on things compared to now. man, just let 'em vent... |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 21, 2023 12:45:19 GMT -5
Changing coaches was a risk it could have gone either way. Unfortunately it went the worst way possible .. these players are lashing out partially due to loyalty of their coach and partially because all the blood sweat tears they poured into the program was dismantled.  |
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Post by aggienumber4 on Sept 21, 2023 17:04:30 GMT -5
Same thing I was wondering. I thought we been broke 🤷🏾♂️. That was always one of my complaints anyways. I wonder how much of this talk would be going on if we were winning. I believe a lot of this could have been avoided had the school been transparent from jump and made preparations for the desired conference move back in 2015 when the study about which conference was best for us was completed. I’m beginning to believe the study was commissioned from an academics standpoint and not an athletics standpoint. These cats remind me of the two old guys on The Muppet Show 😂. That being typed, they lived it so they have every right to complain. Correct. I don't want to knock anyone's experience or intelligence. Most of these kids don't even know how their scholarships let along the inner working of funding, grants or running a university and it shows in their comments. A&T was steadily increasing in application every year even when we were losing. My first year 2007 was the biggest freshmen orientation T ever had. They had to open up an additional date. The football team was 0-10 the previous year. Did winning help. Yes. But 4 years of winning isn't enough to sustain this growth. A&T is growing because A&T is growing and we are well represented across multiple state and industries! I was on full ride and didn't pay for anything from 07-10. The guys that did pay for stuff 1) Didn't stay in the Dorm for the FB team 2) Picked a different Meal plan 3) Took too many credits Is A&T athletic program the best thing in the world. Nah. Is there some pettiness in the athletics department, yes everywhere. But it's not as bad as these kids are saying. I have kid that play at Elon, Wofford and other FCS school that had it worst. |
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Post by westcoastaggie on Sept 22, 2023 7:44:40 GMT -5
Same thing I was wondering. I thought we been broke 🤷🏾♂️. That was always one of my complaints anyways. I wonder how much of this talk would be going on if we were winning. I believe a lot of this could have been avoided had the school been transparent from jump and made preparations for the desired conference move back in 2015 when the study about which conference was best for us was completed. I’m beginning to believe the study was commissioned from an academics standpoint and not an athletics standpoint. These cats remind me of the two old guys on The Muppet Show 😂. That being typed, they lived it so they have every right to complain. Correct. I don't want to knock anyone's experience or intelligence. Most of these kids don't even know how their scholarships let along the inner working of funding, grants or running a university and it shows in their comments. A&T was steadily increasing in application every year even when we were losing. My first year 2007 was the biggest freshmen orientation T ever had. They had to open up an additional date. The football team was 0-10 the previous year. Did winning help. Yes. But 4 years of winning isn't enough to sustain this growth. A&T is growing because A&T is growing and we are well represented across multiple state and industries! I was on full ride and didn't pay for anything from 07-10. The guys that did pay for stuff 1) Didn't stay in the Dorm for the FB team 2) Picked a different Meal plan 3) Took too many credits Is A&T athletic program the best thing in the world. Nah. Is there some pettiness in the athletics department, yes everywhere. But it's not as bad as these kids are saying. I have kid that play at Elon, Wofford and other FCS school that had it worst. Now, I will say that A&T athletics needs to pay for more expensive meal plans and housing. It's a new age and 2007 was a long time ago. They shouldn't be doing the same things we did 10-15 years ago. In addition, we need to offer FCOA to all athletes. These things should be feasible now since we can charge athletes in-state tuition and we'll be getting $1.25 million from the state in gambling/sports betting revenue. We'll have to make things more appealing now that we're directly recruiting against programs with vastly better facilities in our conference. |
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Post by A&T-roy on Sept 22, 2023 11:25:05 GMT -5
What he needs to do is ask Delaware State why they had to use our trainers when we played them on that Thursday night a few years ago. AND go compare our facilities, etc to ALL of the facilities in the MEAC. Bottom of the barrel my ARSE! the last folk on earth that "grown" alums should debate with are undergrads or very recent grads. man, let them youngins vent, especially former football players. they are closer to knowing the truth than us message board posters. just like most alums, the youngins will mature in the coming years and perhaps at that time they will have a totally different perspective on things compared to now. man, just let 'em vent... No sir. Though I don't respond to everything, it is ridiculous to say "grown" alums should debate with grads or very recent grads. ESPECIALLY when what they say is WRONG. #Smh |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 22, 2023 11:44:11 GMT -5
the last folk on earth that "grown" alums should debate with are undergrads or very recent grads. man, let them youngins vent, especially former football players. they are closer to knowing the truth than us message board posters. just like most alums, the youngins will mature in the coming years and perhaps at that time they will have a totally different perspective on things compared to now. man, just let 'em vent... No sir. Though I don't respond to everything, it is ridiculous to say "grown" alums should debate with grads or very recent grads. ESPECIALLY when what they say is WRONG. #Smh then have it, but i'm tellin' ya you're wasting your time. these folk aren't fully mature yet and they'll speak primarily on "emotions". so if you wanna get all caught up in a bunch of nonsense, then have it. but i thought you as a grown alum was more "mature" than that... |
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