It's Time to Make Some Changes!

[DECKS]

Sept 18, 2023 10:22:48 GMT -5 Aggie Monster said:

Sept 18, 2023 10:11:38 GMT -5 planoaggie said:

In my eyes there appears to be multiple areas we need to improve in and/or fix. I just don't know if all of these can be fixed this season, especially if it is a coach problem or lack of team talent.

I just don't like the Broadway comparison where folks don't factor in all the factors in their comparison analysis.

What I(and other) are saying to you is "Change your sentence below to".....

"I just don't know if all of these can be fixed this season, especially if it is a coach problem or lack of team talent."


Here's the reason we bring up Broadway. He had a much less "talent" and the offense didn't look this terrible. He is the benchmark us fans have to compare Brown to. Thats why that season is brought up. We put up two 40 point games and several 20 point games that year and had a total of 29 full rides. You say the comp was less. Not really. This Elon team was not that good. They wont even be that good I dont think. If NCCU makes the CB, FAMU will dust them off. But getting pass Morgan will be a challenge for them as well.

Fobbs era, in all its futility still moved the football. He could at least hit you with some "Paper Raper" for catches 30 or 40 yards a pop.

I think it's relevant to bring up Broadway. He walked into a much tougher situation with less resources. Also relevant to bring up the Fobbs years. Don't want to repeat mistakes of the past.

[mthollyaggie98]

If I am not mistaken, Coach Brown was a late hire, which made it difficult to recruit and difficult to put his staff together. In other words, he is working with what he has. I think you will see changes during the off-season, but our fan base has to be patient.

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[westcoastaggie]

Sept 21, 2023 4:46:42 GMT -5 mthollyaggie98 said:

If I am not mistaken, Coach Brown was a late hire, which made it difficult to recruit and difficult to put his staff together. In other words, he is working with what he has. I think you will see changes during the off-season, but our fan base has to be patient.

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Due to the early signing period and portal period, it’s now considered late. However, it wasn’t that late compared to when we hired Broadway.

[DOOMS]

The one consistent thing in the two is the WE hired them late.

[bluehaze]

Broadway came in experienced and brought pretty much his whole staff with him.

Also Broadway is in the "discussions" when talking about the GOAT Coaches at our level. Comparing Brown to him will always be unfair.

[mthollyaggie98]

Sept 21, 2023 8:37:28 GMT -5 bluehaze said:

Broadway came in experienced and brought pretty much his whole staff with him.

Also Broadway is in the "discussions" when talking about the GOAT Coaches at our level. Comparing Brown to him will always be unfair.

Agreed. Coach Brown did not have his own staff to bring with him.

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[Aggie Monster]

Sept 21, 2023 8:48:18 GMT -5 mthollyaggie98 said:

Sept 21, 2023 8:37:28 GMT -5 bluehaze said:

Broadway came in experienced and brought pretty much his whole staff with him.

Also Broadway is in the "discussions" when talking about the GOAT Coaches at our level. Comparing Brown to him will always be unfair.

Agreed. Coach Brown did not have his own staff to bring with him.

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Yall giving this man the most excuses, SMH. He needs to get it together. His hires so far are all turning out to be flops. Villanova is a straight L based on what they have been doing. We better get that W against Norfolk or aint no telling when the next one will come.

[westcoastaggie]

Sept 21, 2023 9:07:11 GMT -5 Aggie Monster said:

Sept 21, 2023 8:48:18 GMT -5 mthollyaggie98 said:

Agreed. Coach Brown did not have his own staff to bring with him.

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Yall giving this man the most excuses, SMH. He needs to get it together. His hires so far are all turning out to be flops. Villanova is a straight L based on what they have been doing. We better get that W against Norfolk or aint no telling when the next one will come.

3 games, sir. 3 games. The WR room is decimated and no there's no QB coming into the season with much experience. On top of this, the whole offense has to learn a completely new language (How Chris Young calls plays, new keys, new reads, new decisions to make based on what they're being taught, etc...)

It's imperative we do give them patience REGARDLESS of what happens in the next 4-6 weeks. Heck, we're going to need to be patient regardless of what happens during the next 8 games. 

It is what it is. But us holding up pitchforks, which we will do EVERY SINGLE TIME we lose to NCCU and/or go 0-3 to begin a year, does absolutely nothing but hurt these guys progress in learning that offense even more! 

[planoaggie]

Sept 21, 2023 1:25:36 GMT -5 DECKS said:

Sept 18, 2023 10:22:48 GMT -5 Aggie Monster said:

What I(and other) are saying to you is "Change your sentence below to".....

"I just don't know if all of these can be fixed this season, especially if it is a coach problem or lack of team talent."


Here's the reason we bring up Broadway. He had a much less "talent" and the offense didn't look this terrible. He is the benchmark us fans have to compare Brown to. Thats why that season is brought up. We put up two 40 point games and several 20 point games that year and had a total of 29 full rides. You say the comp was less. Not really. This Elon team was not that good. They wont even be that good I dont think. If NCCU makes the CB, FAMU will dust them off. But getting pass Morgan will be a challenge for them as well.

Fobbs era, in all its futility still moved the football. He could at least hit you with some "Paper Raper" for catches 30 or 40 yards a pop.

I think it's relevant to bring up Broadway. He walked into a much tougher situation with less resources. Also relevant to bring up the Fobbs years. Don't want to repeat mistakes of the past.

I do believe the comparison of the 2 coaches maybe relevant, but some folks overlook my main point. Consider all factors to be fair to both coaches when doing your comparison. I stated this in several of my posts. See my quote even in your follow-up to my post.

"I just don't like the Broadway comparison where folks don't factor in all the factors in their comparison analysis."

In another post where I did my own unbiased post, I did a snapshot comparison of "only the first 3 games and opponents." I also compared the talent on offense between the 2 teams. How many years did Brown have as a HC before the A&T job? How many years did Broadway have as HC before the A&T job? We should not be using selective memory to compare Brown's 3 games career against Broadway's career.

Can you explain in more detail on your comment "He walked into a much tougher situation with less resources?" Other than some here stating that he had less scholarship players on his team, I don't know much about his hiring situation or resources that year. Someone just posted that Broadway came in with his own staff. If true, then this is a huge advantage over that of Brown whom had to build his staff. Since all coaches would already know Broadway's system, they knew who fit his system in recruiting players that season and start the ground running in Spring and Summer practices with the team. Did Broadway have to contend with competing in a new and more competitive conference his first season?

Again are we doing a just and fair comparison when talking about what the 2 coaches accomplished over the 1st 3 games of their initial season at A&T? Some are and some are not. I don't know where I stand right now with Brown as a coach or leader. I need to see more games to determine how much of our poor performance can be contributed directly to him or his staff.

You are correct that a Broadway comparison is relevant when fairly analyzed.

[aggie30]

Too many excuses. Yes, I agree we need to give him time. How much time? Are the players he has right now responding to him? Was the portal still open when he was hired? Why did it take so long to hire his staff? Why didn’t some of the players and coaches come with him from W&M? Is the school checking the boxes that Coach Brown said he wanted when he took the job? (Ex. Nutrition and the weight room, etc). Is Coach Brown checking the boxes that Earl and Martin hired him to do? What are the chance he leaves after this year? If so, who is next?

My opinion is we moved too fast from the MEAC to the BS and then to the CAA. We have some really good players but we don’t have the quality depth the other teams have. I feel like the top CAA teams could compete in some of the FBS conferences. We are not ready for them. I just hope we are a little more competitive in the trenches.

[planoaggie]

Sept 21, 2023 9:43:42 GMT -5 aggie30 said:

Too many excuses. Yes, I agree we need to give him time. How much time? Are the players he has right now responding to him? Was the portal still open when he was hired? Why did it take so long to hire his staff? Why didn’t some of the players and coaches come with him from W&M? Is the school checking the boxes that Coach Brown said he wanted when he took the job? (Ex. Nutrition and the weight room, etc). Is Coach Brown checking the boxes that Earl and Martin hired him to do? What are the chance he leaves after this year? If so, who is next?

My opinion is we moved too fast from the MEAC to the BS and then to the CAA. We have some really good players but we don’t have the quality depth the other teams have. I feel like the top CAA teams could compete in some of the FBS conferences. We are not ready for them. I just hope we are a little more competitive in the trenches.

You asked some great questions in my opinion. Most answers are unknown at this time. The portal was opened for transfers and it was late in the HS recruiting process where we did not do as well as we normally do in the last Spring signing day for HS seniors.

[westcoastaggie]

Sept 21, 2023 9:43:42 GMT -5 aggie30 said:

Too many excuses. Yes, I agree we need to give him time. How much time? Are the players he has right now responding to him? Was the portal still open when he was hired? Why did it take so long to hire his staff? Why didn’t some of the players and coaches come with him from W&M? Is the school checking the boxes that Coach Brown said he wanted when he took the job? (Ex. Nutrition and the weight room, etc). Is Coach Brown checking the boxes that Earl and Martin hired him to do? What are the chance he leaves after this year? If so, who is next?

My opinion is we moved too fast from the MEAC to the BS and then to the CAA. We have some really good players but we don’t have the quality depth the other teams have. I feel like the top CAA teams could compete in some of the FBS conferences. We are not ready for them. I just hope we are a little more competitive in the trenches.

How much time? Clearly much more than 3 games. Heck, we need to give them this full season, recruiting period and off season before Alumni, fans, AND students pull out the pitchforks! 

And I will keep repeating this. This is a 3-4 year rebuild! Also, i'm also of the mindset that we're going to go through this even if Sam was the coach. A quality NCCU team and 8 CAA opponents was going to be a tough sledding. period. It's going to be a while before we win 5 or more CAA games in a season. It's been that way for all of the recent CAA additions. 

[A&T-roy]

I don't know about changing any coaches, but I do know our passing offense needs to get fixed (150 yds, or more, per game).

[saabman]

Sept 21, 2023 9:43:42 GMT -5 aggie30 said:

Too many excuses. Yes, I agree we need to give him time. How much time? Are the players he has right now responding to him? Was the portal still open when he was hired? Why did it take so long to hire his staff? Why didn’t some of the players and coaches come with him from W&M? Is the school checking the boxes that Coach Brown said he wanted when he took the job? (Ex. Nutrition and the weight room, etc). Is Coach Brown checking the boxes that Earl and Martin hired him to do? What are the chance he leaves after this year? If so, who is next?

My opinion is we moved too fast from the MEAC to the BS and then to the CAA. We have some really good players but we don’t have the quality depth the other teams have. I feel like the top CAA teams could compete in some of the FBS conferences. We are not ready for them. I just hope we are a little more competitive in the trenches.

We don't know what depth this team quality or not has,because from what I have seen we are not using the depth chart to replace under preforming players on the offensive side of the ball. We knew the defensive side would be short-handed going in . They are putting the efforts in game in and out . But I can not understand the efforts of our veterans on the offensive line and the offense in general.

[Bornthrilla]