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Post by DECKS on Sept 18, 2023 6:04:38 GMT -5
I want to preface this by saying I support Coach Brown 100%, however it is painfully clear something must be done about the offense. It's still early but at our current production we are going to reach a record in futility not seen since 1947. That's right.... Even worse than the Fobbs years!
The offense should not be this horrible. As another poster said, most programs could replace all 11 players and have better production. This isn't on the players. We have talent however they aren't being set up to excel.
We need to go in a different direction with the offense. We are heading into a bye week so this is the perfect time to make changes.
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 18, 2023 6:22:42 GMT -5
I think most people would agree. The question is will the coach agree or will he believe in the system despite the fact it's proven to be ineffective?
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 18, 2023 7:59:21 GMT -5
I want to preface this by saying I support Coach Brown 100%, however it is painfully clear something must be done about the offense. It's still early but at our current production we are going to reach a record in futility not seen since 1947. That's right.... Even worse than the Fobbs years! The offense should not be this horrible. As another poster said, most programs could replace all 11 players and have better production. This isn't on the players. We have talent however they aren't being set up to excel. We need to go in a different direction with the offense. We are heading into a bye week so this is the perfect time to make changes. Broadway had about 29 scholarship players total in his first year and the offense was better than this. SMH. Its coaching 100%
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Post by bluehaze on Sept 18, 2023 8:16:13 GMT -5
I want to preface this by saying I support Coach Brown 100%, however it is painfully clear something must be done about the offense. It's still early but at our current production we are going to reach a record in futility not seen since 1947. That's right.... Even worse than the Fobbs years! The offense should not be this horrible. As another poster said, most programs could replace all 11 players and have better production. This isn't on the players. We have talent however they aren't being set up to excel. We need to go in a different direction with the offense. We are heading into a bye week so this is the perfect time to make changes. Broadway had about 29 scholarship players total in his first year and the offense was better than this. SMH. Its coaching 100% I'm not trying to get off track, but I just don't remember this. I remember he decided to not sign any players in that recruiting class, since he was hired so late. But, I didn't think he only had 29 total existing scholarship players.
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Post by AggieMac on Sept 18, 2023 8:25:09 GMT -5
I agree we have reached the crossroads earlier than expected. We've been embarrassing on offense for 3 straight games. No continuity, no leaders emerging at QB, no receivers stepping up to the challenge, and the offensive line not sustaining blocks. It's still very hard for me to put this all on the coaching staff when I keep seeing players dropping passes, QBs being indecisive, offensive line not controlling the line of scrimmage.
This was the turning point for the team last year although it was under a different regime, I expect to see huge improvements and a change a QB. I expect the OC to simplify the offense to give our players a chance to be successful. I expect to see leaders emerge and someone willing to make plays. This has to happen NOW because the confidence level is at rock bottom for fans and players.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 18, 2023 8:29:59 GMT -5
Broadway had about 29 scholarship players total in his first year and the offense was better than this. SMH. Its coaching 100% I'm not trying to get off track, but I just don't remember this. I remember he decided to not sign any players in that recruiting class, since he was hired so late. But, I didn't think he only had 29 total existing scholarship players. I dont know the exact number. Its deep in threads somewhere. The point is he "ate" about 10-15 scholarships that year cause it was late in the game. He didn't want to just give them out to give them out. So we played all season with 29-37 scholarship players and still had a decent offense.
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Post by AggieMac on Sept 18, 2023 8:31:58 GMT -5
I'm not trying to get off track, but I just don't remember this. I remember he decided to not sign any players in that recruiting class, since he was hired so late. But, I didn't think he only had 29 total existing scholarship players. I dont know the exact number. It deep in threads somewhere. The point is he "ate" about 10-15 scholarships that year cause it was late in the game. He didn't want to just give them out to give them out. So we play all season with 29-37 scholarship players and still had a decent offense. Also weren't we still recovering from sanctions by the NCAA around APR scores that prevented us from having a full allotment of scholarships. I thought I remember that having to do with low number as well, but I could be wrong.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 18, 2023 8:51:09 GMT -5
I dont know the exact number. It deep in threads somewhere. The point is he "ate" about 10-15 scholarships that year cause it was late in the game. He didn't want to just give them out to give them out. So we play all season with 29-37 scholarship players and still had a decent offense. Also weren't we still recovering from sanctions by the NCAA around APR scores that prevented us from having a full allotment of scholarships. I thought I remember that having to do with low number as well, but I could be wrong. Correct. He was basically like, since I get some back next year I have plenty of rope. No need to just give them out. Because of APR I'll have like 20some more and the recruiting year will be huge. So I just dont want to hear about "the players are the reason for the bad offense" and we cant generate ANY offense.
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Post by planoaggie on Sept 18, 2023 9:21:39 GMT -5
We stepped up 2 folds in the level of competition in comparison of what Broadway did with less scholarship. Additionally, the transfer portal was not used as it is today as a quick fix for lack of talent. Lastly, if we were playing in the Big South this season I am sure with the same team/coach we have right now we would expect to win the team to win more games than that in the CAA.
Yes, our team is not good right now but it is not fair to compare Broadway situation with Brown when he did not have to face certain things like a change in conference. Also, if you could do a side-by-side of the 2 teams, which team would have better talent or more experience players starting from the previous year? Can anyone remember who was the starting QB that season to compare what Brown currently has to work with? All of this matters.
To get back on topic, we all agree that positive changes need to happen, especially since we have started conference play, but we differ on what Brown needs to do to fix the problem.
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Post by bluehaze on Sept 18, 2023 9:29:25 GMT -5
I dont know the exact number. It deep in threads somewhere. The point is he "ate" about 10-15 scholarships that year cause it was late in the game. He didn't want to just give them out to give them out. So we play all season with 29-37 scholarship players and still had a decent offense. Also weren't we still recovering from sanctions by the NCAA around APR scores that prevented us from having a full allotment of scholarships. I thought I remember that having to do with low number as well, but I could be wrong. That's right. I forgot about the APR sanctions at the time. We also had practice restrictions that we were dealing with.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Sept 18, 2023 9:33:56 GMT -5
Let's stop with the "we stepped up 2 folds in level of competition, if we were still in the Big South" talk.
We looked bad vs Central (MEAC). We looked bad vs Elon.....a team we historically have played and has been in the CAA.
The first few opponents we have played, we would have played them anyway.....whether we were in the MEAC, Big South or any other conference.
Stop excusing piss-poor play. I said after our extremely paltry offensive production vs Central, we are so "so-low-on-the-bell-curve" bad on offense that it cannot be excused.
Our OC is bad......our head coach may be just as bad for hiring him, which suggests he doesn't know a good coach when he observes one.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 18, 2023 9:45:31 GMT -5
We stepped up 2 folds in the level of competition in comparison of what Broadway did with less scholarship. Additionally, the transfer portal was not used as it is today as a quick fix for lack of talent. Lastly, if we were playing in the Big South this season I am sure with the same team/coach we have right now we would expect to win the team to win more games than that in the CAA. Yes, our team is not good right now but it is not fair to compare Broadway situation with Brown when he did not have to face certain things like a change in conference. Also, if you could do a side-by-side of the 2 teams, which team would have better talent or more experience players starting from the previous year? Can anyone remember who was the starting QB that season to compare what Brown currently has to work with? All of this matters. To get back on topic, we all agree that positive changes need to happen, especially since we have started conference play, but we differ on what Brown needs to do to fix the problem. i dont quite get the point of what you are saying, so I cant say I agree with you about anything. What does Brown have to do to fix the problem in your eyes?
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 18, 2023 9:48:20 GMT -5
If I remember correctly Broadway had the equivalent of 29 scholarships, which meant he might have had a bunch more players on partials or something to that effect, and their total scholarship dollars added up to the same amount that 29 full rides would have. I might be very wrong on that one.
We have stepped up a lot in competition. That being typed, we've only played one conference game. So how that matters is beyond me. Additionally, It's no excuse for being last in the nation in offense.
The offensive line was a strong point of this team for years. It has been the whole time Coach Mattes has been here with only the very occasional sputter. This year they're unable to do much of anything. What changed? Coach Mattes is imo one of the best coaches we've had in eons. I cannot place any of the blame on him.
Without D-linemen I wasn't expecting us to stop anyone this year. Without experience at the skill positions I wasn't expecting a ton on offense. But gentlemen, what we have here is a failure to communicate. The offensive performance is inexcusable. Frustration needs to turn into positive results. Coach is going to have to pinpoint the issue(s) and make some difficult decisions during this off week. The players who stayed and who came aboard deserve better than having their heart and ability questioned based off what appears to be missteps by the adults that make the decisions about where they'll compete, who will coach them, what plays they'll run, and how they'll practice running those plays.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 18, 2023 10:11:36 GMT -5
Thrilla had a good twitter post where he showed the Slot in the wrong area and ended up right next to the TE(both doing comebacks). Result was an interception. You really cant say the mis-placement caused the int, but it didn't help that the Slot guy brought the defender in the area. I'm assuming he should have been much wider giving the QB 2 clean targets and 1 of the 2 would have been WIDE OPEN if ran correctly. While the play was the right call the question as to why the Slot ran it wrong has to be asked. Was your backup player not ready because Cook was kicked out of the game? Why does the backup not know the proper route? Was the TE the one to far left(didn't appear that way)? After looking at the play several times the slot was suppose to run an out pattern, had to be.
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Post by planoaggie on Sept 18, 2023 10:11:38 GMT -5
We stepped up 2 folds in the level of competition in comparison of what Broadway did with less scholarship. Additionally, the transfer portal was not used as it is today as a quick fix for lack of talent. Lastly, if we were playing in the Big South this season I am sure with the same team/coach we have right now we would expect to win the team to win more games than that in the CAA. Yes, our team is not good right now but it is not fair to compare Broadway situation with Brown when he did not have to face certain things like a change in conference. Also, if you could do a side-by-side of the 2 teams, which team would have better talent or more experience players starting from the previous year? Can anyone remember who was the starting QB that season to compare what Brown currently has to work with? All of this matters. To get back on topic, we all agree that positive changes need to happen, especially since we have started conference play, but we differ on what Brown needs to do to fix the problem. i dont quite get the point of what you are saying, so I cant say I agree with you about anything. What does Brown have to do to fix the problem in your eyes? In my eyes there appears to be multiple areas we need to improve in and/or fix. I just don't know if all of these can be fixed this season, especially if it is a coach problem or lack of team talent. I just don't like the Broadway comparison where folks don't consider all the factors in their comparison analysis.
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