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Post by Maxell on Jun 13, 2023 9:15:27 GMT -5
Take the Miami Heat vs Denver in the NBA Finals. You can pick games that even the pros struggle at times. Miami starting SG, Strus, scored a total of 0 pts in 2 consecutive Final games. We are talking SG. Vincent, the starting PG, scored only 2 pts in game 4. Martin, the starting PF and MVP runnerup in the Eastern Conference Championship, scored 3 pts in game 1 and 2. Butler, the starting SF, captain, and leading scorer for the team, scored 13 pts in game 1. ummm...They lost. LOL |
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Post by planoaggie on Jun 13, 2023 11:49:06 GMT -5
Take the Miami Heat vs Denver in the NBA Finals. You can pick games that even the pros struggle at times. Miami starting SG, Strus, scored a total of 0 pts in 2 consecutive Final games. We are talking SG. Vincent, the starting PG, scored only 2 pts in game 4. Martin, the starting PF and MVP runnerup in the Eastern Conference Championship, scored 3 pts in game 1 and 2. Butler, the starting SF, captain, and leading scorer for the team, scored 13 pts in game 1. ummm...They lost. LOL Yes, I thought they were going to get swept but was wrong. The Heat was only used to demonstrate that even pro players struggle. I expect some of our new starters next season to struggle in a few games similar to that of Watson and Woods. Season struggles or issues by a player is a different ballgame. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 13, 2023 12:33:16 GMT -5
Yes, I thought they were going to get swept but was wrong. The Heat was only used to demonstrate that even pro players struggle. I expect some of our new starters next season to struggle in a few games similar to that of Watson and Woods. Season struggles or issues by a player is a different ballgame. the nuggets winning the nba championship demonstrates my point that "talent" is more important than "coaching". not that coaching is not important, just that talent is more important. case in point, the nuggets are "clearly" a more talented team than miami. but miami has a better coach than denver. erik spoelstra is widely considered among the very best (if not "the" best) nba head coach in the league, whereas denver's mike malone is far less experienced than spoelstra and has no nba championship rings (until last night) compared to spoelstra. however, malone has superior talent compared to spoelstra which is why denver won the championship last night... |
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Post by A&T-roy on Jun 13, 2023 16:36:23 GMT -5
Yes, I thought they were going to get swept but was wrong. The Heat was only used to demonstrate that even pro players struggle. I expect some of our new starters next season to struggle in a few games similar to that of Watson and Woods. Season struggles or issues by a player is a different ballgame. the nuggets winning the nba championship demonstrates my point that "talent" is more important than "coaching". not that coaching is not important, just that talent is more important. case in point, the nuggets are "clearly" a more talented team than miami. but miami has a better coach than denver. erik spoelstra is widely considered among the very best (if not "the" best) nba head coach in the league, whereas denver's mike malone is far less experienced than spoelstra and has no nba championship rings (until last night) compared to spoelstra. however, malone has superior talent compared to spoelstra which is why denver won the championship last night... I don't know that I can say which one is more important. Teams with better talent beat teams with better coaches and teams with better coaches beat teams with better talent. I've been on all sides as both a player and coach. |
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Post by aggiegrad97 on Jun 17, 2023 18:59:42 GMT -5
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Post by planoaggie on Jun 17, 2023 22:45:23 GMT -5
The transfer portal window closed in May,therefore Elliot had to receive a waiver to enter.
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Post by saabman on Jun 17, 2023 23:07:07 GMT -5
I'm liking Coach Ross's approach. Starting from scratch and building up . I'm not a guard heavy program guy but I can kind of see what he's trying to do . Hopefully it can get us through the season without looking to shabby and then add more pieces. We still have a few months , and can possibly add a few bigger players but we will see.
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Post by saabman on Jun 17, 2023 23:14:18 GMT -5
The transfer portal window closed in May,therefore Elliot had to receive a waiver to enter. Or he was informed by Ross that he was not wanted back and used entering the portal to cover his move to a Juco . I don't see a waiver being given this far outside of the portal closing date . |
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Post by planoaggie on Jun 18, 2023 7:57:10 GMT -5
The transfer portal window closed in May,therefore Elliot had to receive a waiver to enter. Or he was informed by Ross that he was not wanted back and used entering the portal to cover his move to a Juco . I don't see a waiver being given this far outside of the portal closing date . The NCAA Basketball transfer portal deadline was May 11th this year. If a basketball player enters the portal after the deadline, they will require a waiver or exception to avoid sitting out one year. See below link. wvsportsnow.com/basketball-transfer-portal-still-creating-movement-after-deadline/I don't see Tyrese Elliott name listed as entering the transfer portal on several websites that track transfer activities. Maybe it will appear next week. If he decided to transfer to the NAIA division, then he would not need to enter the portal. I don't know exactly about JUCO. Why do you say he maybe looking at a move to JUCO versus a 4 year school? He played in most of A&T games and average ~10 min/gm. against CAA competition. I was wrong in my statement that he needed a waiver to enter the portal. He does not "need" a waiver. That is needed to avoid sitting out 1 year. It is not too late for a player to "apply" for a waiver/exception. He can transfer to another school and hope that his waiver is "approved" (given as you stated) by the NCAA before the MBB season starts. I will definitely say that it is late in the recruiting cycle to begin advertising your availability to play elsewhere. |
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Post by saabman on Jun 18, 2023 14:37:04 GMT -5
Or he was informed by Ross that he was not wanted back and used entering the portal to cover his move to a Juco . I don't see a waiver being given this far outside of the portal closing date . The NCAA Basketball transfer portal deadline was May 11th this year. If a basketball player enters the portal after the deadline, they will require a waiver or exception to avoid sitting out one year. See below link. wvsportsnow.com/basketball-transfer-portal-still-creating-movement-after-deadline/I don't see Tyrese Elliott name listed as entering the transfer portal on several websites that track transfer activities. Maybe it will appear next week. If he decided to transfer to the NAIA division, then he would not need to enter the portal. I don't know exactly about JUCO. Why do you say he maybe looking at a move to JUCO versus a 4 year school? I was wrong in my statement that he needed a waiver to enter the portal. He does not "need" a waiver. That is needed to avoid sitting out 1 year. It is not too late for a player to "apply" for a waiver/exception. He can transfer to another school and hope that his waiver is "approved" (given as you stated) by the NCAA before the MBB season starts. I will definitely say that it is late in the recruiting cycle to begin advertising your availability to play elsewhere. Spend a season at a JUCO/NAIA and then tranfer back to D1 . It is my understanding that you don’t have to announce your intentions to tranfer or even be in the portal to actively contact or be contacted by interested programs . |
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Post by planoaggie on Jun 18, 2023 17:02:51 GMT -5
Spend a season at a JUCO/NAIA and then tranfer back to D1 . It is my understanding that you don’t have to announce your intentions to tranfer or even be in the portal to actively contact or be contacted by interested programs . Thanks for the info on JUCO transfers. I don't believe Elliott is going JUCO, since there is no reason to enter the transfer portal and the last sentence in his announcement states that he is entering the transfer portal. |
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Post by saabman on Jun 18, 2023 22:21:38 GMT -5
Spend a season at a JUCO/NAIA and then tranfer back to D1 . It is my understanding that you don’t have to announce your intentions to tranfer or even be in the portal to actively contact or be contacted by interested programs . Thanks for the info on JUCO transfers. I don't believe Elliott is going JUCO, since there is no reason to enter the transfer portal and the last sentence in his announcement states that he is entering the transfer portal. "the last sentence in his announcement states that he is entering the transfer portal" That is the confusing part ? If Ross is not inviting him back as a scholarship player or a designated walk on . He has no where to go but down to D2,NAIA or JUCO to avoid sitting out a year. But he could still fall under the one transfer rule at the D1 level as long as he is in the TP when it opens again and transfer in at mid semester. Also if he is not enrolled in school some where it will have an effect on A&T's APR SCORE. So he has to be enrolled somewhere playing or not so that it want effect A&T's score . I hope he didn't do this by Design . I don't think that a lot of us realize exactly how the portal really works when it comes to athletes . 1. An athlete doesn't have to notify the coaches that he or she is going to enter the portal. They can go straight to the Athletic Administration Department and inform them to enter them into the portal without even talking to the coaching staff. Not recommended because the athlete will still have to receive a release from the Athletic Administration Department before communicating with any program or institution directly. But they can communicate with other students,fans ,family, boosters and none institutional personal. That why I said " A lot of these athletes already know there next distinction before they even submit there transfer paper . Elliot may have submitted late but could transfer in mid semester, but I have an idea that he knows exactly where he will be playing next season. |
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Post by planoaggie on Jun 19, 2023 7:18:30 GMT -5
"the last sentence in his announcement states that he is entering the transfer portal" That is the confusing part ? If Ross is not inviting him back as a scholarship player or a designated walk on . He has no where to go but down to D2,NAIA or JUCO to avoid sitting out a year. But he could still fall under the one transfer rule at the D1 level as long as he is in the TP when it opens again and transfer in at mid semester. You left out that Elliott could transfer to another D1 school and possibly not sit out a year depending on several conditions met. If he did enter the transfer portal before the deadline, but it took this long for the compliance officer to certify his eligibility, then he is still eligible to use the one-time exception transfer. If he is still under the 2022-23 NCAA basketball transfer portal eligibility rules, then he can use the following waivers to try and play right away. 1. Athlete’s physical or mental health and well-being; due to exigent circumstances outside the student-athlete’s control (e.g., physical or sexual assault or discrimination based on a protected class) or 2. Athlete’s assertions involving diagnosed education impacting disabilities or 3. Athlete’s participation opportunity at their former school changed (playing time), or 4. Coaching change or 5. A change in the athlete’s scholarship status. If your speculation or question is correct, that he was runoff by Coach Ross (#3 or #5 above) and this reason was accepted by the NCAA then he does not have to sit out a year. If he is under the new 2023-24 NCAA basketball transfer portal eligibility rules, then items #3-#5 above are no longer valid waiver reasons. I could be wrong, but my guess is that he is under the old transfer rules and he is requesting a waiver to play right away using either reasons #3-#5. Also, since he received decent playing time at the CAA level, I see him playing either D1 (right fit) or D2 next season. |
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Post by saabman on Jun 19, 2023 10:19:05 GMT -5
"the last sentence in his announcement states that he is entering the transfer portal" That is the confusing part ? If Ross is not inviting him back as a scholarship player or a designated walk on . He has no where to go but down to D2,NAIA or JUCO to avoid sitting out a year. But he could still fall under the one transfer rule at the D1 level as long as he is in the TP when it opens again and transfer in at mid semester. You left out that Elliott could transfer to another D1 school and possibly not sit out a year depending on several conditions met. If he did enter the transfer portal before the deadline, but it took this long for the compliance officer to certify his eligibility, then he is still eligible to use the one-time exception transfer. If he is still under the 2022-23 NCAA basketball transfer portal eligibility rules, then he can use the following waivers to try and play right away. 1. Athlete’s physical or mental health and well-being; due to exigent circumstances outside the student-athlete’s control (e.g., physical or sexual assault or discrimination based on a protected class) or 2. Athlete’s assertions involving diagnosed education impacting disabilities or 3. Athlete’s participation opportunity at their former school changed (playing time), or 4. Coaching change or 5. A change in the athlete’s scholarship status. If your speculation or question is correct, that he was runoff by Coach Ross (#3 or #5 above) and this reason was accepted by the NCAA then he does not have to sit out a year. If he is under the new 2023-24 NCAA basketball transfer portal eligibility rules, then items #3-#5 above are no longer valid waiver reasons. I could be wrong, but my guess is that he is under the old transfer rules and he is requesting a waiver to play right away using either reasons #3-#5. Also, since he received decent playing time at the CAA level, I see him playing either D1 (right fit) or D2 next season. 4sure. In most cases the tranfer paper work is submitted and the athlete is in good standings academically. The athletic/ compliance Department usually submits the paperwork within 24- hours to the NCAA. That would be real Bush League to not submit the paperwork in a timely manner for the athlete. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 19, 2023 12:35:24 GMT -5
don't think i've ever seen a new aggie mbb head coach come in and "completely" clean house like coach ross has. maybe the existence of the transfer portal had a lot to do with that, but i don't recall that ever happening since i've been an aggie.
i'm quite sure that we've had some turnover whenever we hired a new head coach in the past, but i don't recall a new coach rebuilding an "entire roster" from scratch. i mean, "everything" is new. all new players, all new coaches, and a brand new system/philosophy.
just about every early season we go thru "growing pains" to incorporate new players even though our entire roster did not turnover.
yet, we still had to learn the new players (and vice versa) in order to form a new team identity. well, this season we will have "growing pains" on steroids cuz none of our new roster have played together as a team before and none of them have ever played under coach ross's system before.
clearly coach ross must take total "ownership" of this year's roster cuz just about all of our expected returning players won't be returning. i like that the new roster has a "defensive foundation", so i expect to see a pretty doggone good defensive team. but i think we're awfully "young and inexperienced", it'll take a while for this team to win more games than they lose...
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