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Post by Maxell on May 15, 2023 10:58:46 GMT -5
Let's face it, we won't know who this team is until November. We've been fooled by highlight videos and star ratings too many times before. What I've learned over the last several years is that COACHING MATTERS more than the other stuff especially outside of the MEAC.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 15, 2023 13:11:41 GMT -5
Let's face it, we won't know who this team is until November. We've been fooled by highlight videos and star ratings too many times before. What I've learned over the last several years is that COACHING MATTERS more than the other stuff especially outside of the MEAC. coaching means nothing if you don't have adequate talent on your team. show me a coach who took some guys off the street that no one else wanted and won a championship with them? i've never seen a coach win a championship with a roster full of "below average" players. show me a team that's in the "final 4" of the nba finals that doesn't have an "all star" on their roster? yes, absolutely "coaching" matters and indeed it matters a great deal. but it is not more important than having "talented" players on your team whether you're in the meac, caa, or any other conference...
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Post by Maxell on May 15, 2023 13:37:27 GMT -5
Let's face it, we won't know who this team is until November. We've been fooled by highlight videos and star ratings too many times before. What I've learned over the last several years is that COACHING MATTERS more than the other stuff especially outside of the MEAC. coaching means nothing if you don't have adequate talent on your team. show me a coach who took some guys off the street that no one else wanted and won a championship with them? i've never seen a coach win a championship with a roster full of "below average" players. show me a team that's in the "final 4" of the nba finals that doesn't have an "all star" on their roster? yes, absolutely "coaching" matters and indeed it matters a great deal. but it is not more important than having "talented" players on your team whether you're in the meac, caa, or any other conference... For A&T right now I disagree. We've had "talented" players and could not build them into a team. No one is saying get players "off the street". If you gave our roster the last two years to any other coach in the CAA, there's a great chance they would produce a better record. I saw no CAA team this year that had an overwhelming talent advantage against us. In fact, most didn't.
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Post by VA's Finest on May 15, 2023 13:50:23 GMT -5
Just feel like we spent the last 3 years talking about how the coaching was the missing element. Now all of sudden, coaching doesn't matter, whaaaaa!?!?!. We've gone down the road of guys that can go get a bucket. Problem was, they tried that philosophy every offensive possession of the game.
Maybe the new staff has the ability to draw up late game situational basketball plays that lead to easy buckets/getting to foul line. They could be recruiting players that would have the ability to play within the confines of a structured offense. Could produce wins.
Hey, we've tried it the other way for three years and many weren't satisfied with the results. Let's give these guys a chance before we condemn then jeez.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 15, 2023 14:14:07 GMT -5
coaching means nothing if you don't have adequate talent on your team. show me a coach who took some guys off the street that no one else wanted and won a championship with them? i've never seen a coach win a championship with a roster full of "below average" players. show me a team that's in the "final 4" of the nba finals that doesn't have an "all star" on their roster? yes, absolutely "coaching" matters and indeed it matters a great deal. but it is not more important than having "talented" players on your team whether you're in the meac, caa, or any other conference... For A&T right now I disagree. We've had "talented" players and could not build them into a team. No one is saying get players "off the street". If you gave our roster the last two years to any other coach in the CAA, there's a great chance they would produce a better record. I saw no CAA team this year that had an overwhelming talent advantage against us. In fact, most didn't. i agree that we had "talented players" but we didn't have a talented head coach who knew how to take full advantage of that talent. however, take what i call our "big 3" (woods, watson, powell) off of our team last season and we would've won " significantly fewer" games than we actually won, with or without a good head coach. as i've stated numerous times on this message board, if i'm hiring a new head coach at a&t "in any sport", the first thing i'd be looking for (NOT THE ONLY THING) is his/her ability to "recruit". in college sports, if you can't recruit, you very likely won't "win". yes, coaching is important. i'm a former head basketball coach and i definitely agree with that. however, as a former head coach, i've been successful against some very good coaches who were far better qualified than me mainly because i had "better talent" than those coaches. many of those coaches had previously played college ball and/or pro ball overseas, but i was still able to defeat them due to having better talent on my team than their's. again, ya'll can "praise" these pwc coaches all ya'll want, as if white is always right. but if caa coaches are so much better than meac coaches, then why does nsu have a "winning record" over caa teams, including the defeat of the "caa champions" 2 seasons ago on the "caa champions" home court? its a shame that our very own folk are often the perpetrators of african american "stereotypes" as much as white folk...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 15, 2023 14:16:33 GMT -5
Just feel like we spent the last 3 years talking about how the coaching was the missing element. Now all of sudden, coaching doesn't matter, whaaaaa!?!?!. We've gone down the road of guys that can go get a bucket. Problem was, they tried that philosophy every offensive possession of the game. Maybe the new staff has the ability to draw up late game situational basketball plays that lead to easy buckets/getting to foul line. They could be recruiting players that would have the ability to play within the confines of a structured offense. Could produce wins. Hey, we've tried it the other way for three years and many weren't satisfied with the results. Let's give these guys a chance before we condemn then jeez. who has condemned anyone?
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Post by DOOMS on May 15, 2023 14:42:37 GMT -5
I'm assuming the new coaching staff doesn't have a one to two (or even three) year mandate to produce immediate results, so they're going to build over time and get who they can when they can get 'em. in the meantime...
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Post by saabman on May 15, 2023 14:50:41 GMT -5
Let's face it, we won't know who this team is until November. We've been fooled by highlight videos and star ratings too many times before. What I've learned over the last several years is that COACHING MATTERS more than the other stuff especially outside of the MEAC. coaching means nothing if you don't have adequate talent on your team. show me a coach who took some guys off the street that no one else wanted and won a championship with them? i've never seen a coach win a championship with a roster full of "below average" players. show me a team that's in the "final 4" of the nba finals that doesn't have an "all star" on their roster? yes, absolutely "coaching" matters and indeed it matters a great deal. but it is not more important than having "talented" players on your team whether you're in the meac, caa, or any other conference... They are both equally important because You can't have one without the other if you want to win at any level (outside of Pee Wee basketball) . Any talented team without structure and cohesive play . Will win but not when it counts..i.e A&T this past season . A properly Coached, prepared and structured team that plays with unity and execution, even with average talent can defeat a talented team that is not properly Coached and structured to play as a unit (again A&T last season) . Coaching puts talented or less talented players in position to play to there strengths with ball movement and positioning. So you can't have one without the other if you want to win at any level NBA ,NCAA, High School and Middle School/Jr High . Coach Ross knows what he wants and needs and has been around and active in the game . I don't see him as a person/Coach that will offer a ship to a B-ball player that nobody wanted or that could not play at this level .
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 15, 2023 14:55:51 GMT -5
coaching means nothing if you don't have adequate talent on your team. show me a coach who took some guys off the street that no one else wanted and won a championship with them? i've never seen a coach win a championship with a roster full of "below average" players. show me a team that's in the "final 4" of the nba finals that doesn't have an "all star" on their roster? yes, absolutely "coaching" matters and indeed it matters a great deal. but it is not more important than having "talented" players on your team whether you're in the meac, caa, or any other conference... They are both equally important because You can't have one without the other if you want to win at any level (outside of Pee Wee basketball) . Any talented team without structure and cohesive play . Will win but not when it counts..i.e A&T this past season . A properly Coached, prepared and structured team that plays with unity and execution, even with average talent can defeat a talented team that is not properly Coached and structured to play as a unit (again A&T last season) . Coaching puts talented or less talented players in position to play to there strengths with ball movement and positioning. So you can't have one without the other if you want to win at any level NBA ,NCAA, High School and Middle School/Jr High . Coach Ross knows what he wants and needs and has been around and active in the game . I don't see him as a person/Coach that will offer a ship to a B-ball player that nobody wanted or that could not play at this level . please show me where i stated that "talent alone" is the only thing that matters? did i not state that coaching is important? i swear, folk take what someone posts and turn it into something that the poster never said...
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Post by Maxell on May 15, 2023 16:23:42 GMT -5
For A&T right now I disagree. We've had "talented" players and could not build them into a team. No one is saying get players "off the street". If you gave our roster the last two years to any other coach in the CAA, there's a great chance they would produce a better record. I saw no CAA team this year that had an overwhelming talent advantage against us. In fact, most didn't. i agree that we had "talented players" but we didn't have a talented head coach who knew how to take full advantage of that talent. however, take what i call our "big 3" (woods, watson, powell) off of our team last season and we would've won " significantly fewer" games than we actually won, with or without a good head coach. as i've stated numerous times on this message board, if i'm hiring a new head coach at a&t "in any sport", the first thing i'd be looking for (NOT THE ONLY THING) is his/her ability to "recruit". in college sports, if you can't recruit, you very likely won't "win". yes, coaching is important. i'm a former head basketball coach and i definitely agree with that. however, as a former head coach, i've been successful against some very good coaches who were far better qualified than me mainly because i had "better talent" than those coaches. many of those coaches had previously played college ball and/or pro ball overseas, but i was still able to defeat them due to having better talent on my team than their's. again, ya'll can "praise" these pwc coaches all ya'll want, as if white is always right. but if caa coaches are so much better than meac coaches, then why does nsu have a "winning record" over caa teams, including the defeat of the "caa champions" 2 seasons ago on the "caa champions" home court? its a shame that our very own folk are often the perpetrators of african american "stereotypes" as much as white folk... You are speaking in general. I am talking about the A&T experience. I am not making any commentary about basketball philosophy, race, or your personal head coaching narratives. Bottom line is that A&T has squandered some talent over the last 10 years because of inexperienced coaching and took chances with economically prudent hires while having high hopes for their success. Coach Ross is a departure from that approach if for no other reason than his Division 1 head coaching experience. Oh and by the way, he is Black, an HBCU graduate, formerly from the CAA. I am opining about A&T and A&T alone. Bump all of that other stuff until we can make noise in the post season. Maybe then we will be able to speak with some level of gravitas about the larger issues.
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Post by planoaggie on May 15, 2023 16:28:19 GMT -5
coaching means nothing if you don't have adequate talent on your team. show me a coach who took some guys off the street that no one else wanted and won a championship with them? i've never seen a coach win a championship with a roster full of "below average" players. show me a team that's in the "final 4" of the nba finals that doesn't have an "all star" on their roster? yes, absolutely "coaching" matters and indeed it matters a great deal. but it is not more important than having "talented" players on your team whether you're in the meac, caa, or any other conference... They are both equally important because You can't have one without the other if you want to win at any level (outside of Pee Wee basketball) . Any talented team without structure and cohesive play . Will win but not when it counts..i.e A&T this past season . A properly Coached, prepared and structured team that plays with unity and execution, even with average talent can defeat a talented team that is not properly Coached and structured to play as a unit (again A&T last season) . Coaching puts talented or less talented players in position to play to there strengths with ball movement and positioning. So you can't have one without the other if you want to win at any level NBA ,NCAA, High School and Middle School/Jr High . Coach Ross knows what he wants and needs and has been around and active in the game . I don't see him as a person/Coach that will offer a ship to a B-ball player that nobody wanted or that could not play at this level . I like the part that they are "equally" important. Anyone can come up with scenarios where one was more important than the other, but that is not always the case.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 15, 2023 17:10:26 GMT -5
i agree that we had "talented players" but we didn't have a talented head coach who knew how to take full advantage of that talent. however, take what i call our "big 3" (woods, watson, powell) off of our team last season and we would've won " significantly fewer" games than we actually won, with or without a good head coach. as i've stated numerous times on this message board, if i'm hiring a new head coach at a&t "in any sport", the first thing i'd be looking for (NOT THE ONLY THING) is his/her ability to "recruit". in college sports, if you can't recruit, you very likely won't "win". yes, coaching is important. i'm a former head basketball coach and i definitely agree with that. however, as a former head coach, i've been successful against some very good coaches who were far better qualified than me mainly because i had "better talent" than those coaches. many of those coaches had previously played college ball and/or pro ball overseas, but i was still able to defeat them due to having better talent on my team than their's. again, ya'll can "praise" these pwc coaches all ya'll want, as if white is always right. but if caa coaches are so much better than meac coaches, then why does nsu have a "winning record" over caa teams, including the defeat of the "caa champions" 2 seasons ago on the "caa champions" home court? its a shame that our very own folk are often the perpetrators of african american "stereotypes" as much as white folk... You are speaking in general. I am talking about the A&T experience. I am not making any commentary about basketball philosophy, race, or your personal head coaching narratives. Bottom line is that A&T has squandered some talent over the last 10 years because of inexperienced coaching and took chances with economically prudent hires while having high hopes for their success. Coach Ross is a departure from that approach if for no other reason than Division 1 head coaching experience. Oh and by the way, he is Black, an HBCU graduate, formerly from the CAA. I am opining about A&T and A&T alone. Bump all of that other stuff. where did i criticize coach ross? some say let coach ross build his team however he wants to. well, where did i state that he shouldn't build his team however he wants to? ya'll keep turning my statements into stuff that i didn't say. my comment was on the level of "talent" that we currently have and "in my opinion", if the season started with the roster that we currently have, i have a hard time seeing how that team would be successful in or out of conference. successful meaning, being .500 or better in or out of conference. nowhere whatsoever did i "criticize" coach ross, certainly not relative to his "hiring". he's my frat brutha! why would i criticize a frat who hasn't even coached a single game at a&t yet? so let's not misconstrue my posts. my sole judgment was regarding our current "talent level", i stated "nothing" in regard to coach ross' coaching ability. also, regarding "stereotypes", i was not referring to stereotypes of black coaches per se'. instead, i was referring to "hbcu stereotypes", stereotypes of hbcu's that have historically been falsely perpetuated for hundreds of years by white folk. additionally, there are "zero facts" that bare out the notion that if you coach in a lower rated conference or a lower rated division, you are "by default" less of a coach than one who coaches in a higher rated conference or a higher division. i do not subscribe to the notion that you have to have caa coaching experience to succeed in the caa. otherwise, how does an "inexperienced" hbcu interim head coach finish " tied for 6th" in a 13 team caa? i mean, not an "experienced" hbcu head coach and quite frankly, not even a good hbcu interim head coach. yet, he beat out half of all the head coaches in the caa. again, we're talkin' bout an hbcu interim head coach who (in my opinion) was not a very good hbcu interim head coach, one who almost blew a 13 point lead (with possession of the basketball) though only 52 seconds remained in the game. that same not so good former meac "inexperienced" hbcu interim head coach, " out-coached" half the coaches in the caa. mind you, our former meac women's basketball coach almost won the caa championship in his first season! yet, you imply that coaching doesn't matter in the meac, but it does matter in the caa? so if coaching in the meac doesn't matter, then why does a not so good former meac "inexperienced" hbcu interim men's head coach out-coach half of the caa, and our former meac women's head coach "out-coached" almost all of caa coaches and almost won the caa championship? please help me to understand that logic...
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Post by VA's Finest on May 15, 2023 17:14:37 GMT -5
Before the WPD issues a warrant, may condemn was a poor choice. Moreso I was referring how many times a so called less talent team came into Corbett and walked away victorious. If a less talented team beats a more talented what is the presumed difference?
My guess would be coaching, and again that has been what most on this site has questioned the previous three seasons.
Let's allow Ross and staff to construct the roster the way he sees fit to execute his style of play. This is a results oriented business so the proof will be in the pudding soon enough.
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Post by aggie2039 on May 15, 2023 17:17:33 GMT -5
You are speaking in general. I am talking about the A&T experience. I am not making any commentary about basketball philosophy, race, or your personal head coaching narratives. Bottom line is that A&T has squandered some talent over the last 10 years because of inexperienced coaching and took chances with economically prudent hires while having high hopes for their success. Coach Ross is a departure from that approach if for no other reason than Division 1 head coaching experience. Oh and by the way, he is Black, an HBCU graduate, formerly from the CAA. I am opining about A&T and A&T alone. Bump all of that other stuff. where did i criticize coach ross? some say let coach ross build his team however he wants to. well, where did i state that he shouldn't build his team however he wants to? ya'll keep turning my statements into stuff that i didn't say. my comment was on the level of "talent" that we currently have and "in my opinion", if the season started with the roster that we currently have, i have a hard time seeing how that team would be successful in or out of conference. successful meaning, being .500 or better in or out of conference. nowhere whatsoever did i "criticize" coach ross, certainly not relative to his "hiring". he's my frat brutha! why would i criticize a frat who hasn't even coached a single game at a&t yet? so let's not misconstrue my posts. my sole judgment was regarding our current "talent level", i stated "nothing" in regard to coach ross' coaching ability. also, regarding "stereotypes", i was not referring to stereotypes of black coaches per se'. instead, i was referring to "hbcu stereotypes", stereotypes of hbcu's that have historically been falsely perpetuated for hundreds of years by white folk. additionally, there are "zero facts" that bare out the notion that if you coach in a lower rated conference or a lower rated division, you are "by default" less of a coach than one who coaches in a higher rated conference or a higher division. i do not subscribe to the notion that you have to have caa coaching experience to succeed in the caa. otherwise, how does an "inexperienced" hbcu interim head coach finish " tied for 6th" in a 13 team caa? i mean, not an "experienced" hbcu head coach and quite frankly, not even a good hbcu interim head coach. yet, he beat out half of all the head coaches in the caa. again, we're talkin' bout an hbcu interim head coach who (in my opinion) was not a very good hbcu interim head coach, one who almost blew a 13 point lead (with possession of the basketball) though only 52 seconds remained in the game. that same not so good former meac "inexperienced" hbcu interim head coach, " out-coached" half the coaches in the caa. mind you, our former meac women's basketball coach almost won the caa championship in his first season! yet, you imply that coaching doesn't matter in the meac, but it does matter in the caa? so if coaching in the meac doesn't matter, then why does a not so good former meac "inexperienced" hbcu interim men's head coach out-coach half of the caa, and our former meac women's head coach "out-coached" almost all of caa coaches and almost won the caa championship? please help me to understand that logic... Our women’s coach has CAA experience 😂 I wouldn’t really brag about a coach that finished 8-10 in conference. In the MEAC we would have made it to the conference finals vs a 1st round exit vs a 6-10 team😂😂. Hampton dominated MEAC basketball and even beat the MEAC conference tournament champ yet they had the worst record in the CAA. Our interim coach was a BSC coach😂😂 We don’t play in a HBCU conference so don’t lump us in that group please.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 15, 2023 17:42:10 GMT -5
Before the WPD issues a warrant, may condemn was a poor choice. Moreso I was referring how many times a so called less talent team came into Corbett and walked away victorious. If a less talented team beats a more talented what is the presumed difference? My guess would be coaching, and again that has been what most on this site has questioned the previous three seasons. Let's allow Ross and staff to construct the roster the way he sees fit to execute his style of play. This is a results oriented business so the proof will be in the pudding soon enough. just to be clear, in no way have i criticized the hiring nor the coaching of coach ross. my specific statement was regarding the current "talent level" on our roster. my original post under this thread had "nothing" to do with games in corbett last season but somehow, shiggidy gets spun into other directions that i did not initiate...
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