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Post by DOOMS on Apr 23, 2023 16:41:51 GMT -5
I’m going to give the average recruit more credit. I figure if you want a college scholarship you’ll probably talk a little more respectfully to somebody that holds the ability to give you one in the palm of their hand.
I don’t care where you come from. If Nick Saban calls your house you are not going to say “yeah man, you know what I’m sayin’”. Why should Vincent Brown accept anything less? Hell, if Lenoir-Rhyne’s coach calls and you want a scholly you are going to address him properly. If you don’t have enough basic common sense to do that then I’d steer clear of you too. Or at the very least explain you won’t talk to me or any coach at any school in that manner if you desire a scholarship somewhere.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 23, 2023 16:43:33 GMT -5
if i'm a college football coach, i'm not looking for a bunch of "choir boys" to put on my team. a person's slang is in no way a "definite" indicator of that person's "character". i'm in constant contact with high school athletes and i know many of them who use that kind of language who are otherwise "high character" kids. to "pre-judge" a kid by the language he uses is a poor way of really getting to know that kid. just because a kid says, "ya know what i'm sayin", is by no means an indicator that he's a disrespectful kid. again, i know this because i'm in constant contact with high level high school athletes. and to your second point, it really would be helpful if folk would "read" what i type instead of "misinterpreting" what i type. relative to "stud" signings, i very clearly stated that; now, if you know of any "studs" that he has personally recruited (not coach wash), please enlighten me... So what you’re saying is you’d be comfortable visiting a kid that you’re potentially trying to recruit , but he is calling you (Bruh, My G, OG, Twin, Shawty) and whatever else they say instead of saying “yes sir/no sir”? I can’t get with that at all. Says a lot about the kid and the parents . Just my opinion , my kids speak respectfully when it comes to adults and myself and their mom. just because your kids speak "perfect english" doesn't make them great football players and it also doesn't mean they are "perfect citizens", that's my point. heck, if you had interviewed tupac as a senior in high school and only heard the "slang" he may have used, then you totally would not have known how "intelligent" he was and that he had the "smarts" to speak and articulate "perfect english" whenever he wanted to. not saying he would've been a good recruit, just saying you won't "know" a kid based on his language until you sit down with him and understand his upbringing. secondly, i didn't see anywhere in coach brown's tweet that said anything about saying (Bruh, My G, OG, Twin, Shawty). however, if i'm recruiting a kid who uses "your words" (Bruh, My G, OG, Twin, Shawty), i'd simply tell him that i'd prefer that he not use that type of language when addressing me and if he complies, then "no harm" done. but if he doesn't comply, then that's disrespectful and i'd move on. but what i wouldn't do is immediately "pre-judge" and dismiss a recruit simply because of the language he uses. my point is that i don't feel you should immediately dismiss a recruit simply because of the language he uses. you cannot hold a kid responsible for his very own "upbringing", instead his parents are responsible for that. if the language a recruit speaks is all he's ever been exposed to, then who's to say that makes him a disrespectful kid? it may be a kid who just needs that positive male role model in his life to help him mature and speak better english (at least while in the presence of his coaches) cuz his teammates very likely speak the same language amongst themselves. "pre-judging" and immediately dismissing a recruit simply because of the language he uses is a great way to miss out on some very talented recruits who would luv to attend a&t. gotta remember, these are just "kids", many of whom did not have the privilege of a responsible 2 parent household such as yours. so you just gone write those kind of kids off without even delving into their background? i absolutely wouldn't do that!! give the kid "a chance". talk to him/her, understand his/her background and upbringing before "pre-judging" and immediately dismissing him/her. you may find out that the prospect is otherwise a great kid who just needs a few rough edges smoothed over...
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 23, 2023 17:13:47 GMT -5
You’d be surprised at how many high school kids lack basic communication and interpersonal skills. Being stuck at home during the pandemic did a doozy on them.
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Post by AggieMac on Apr 23, 2023 19:04:35 GMT -5
Yeah I can't get down with your argument. On first impression with any college visit athlete or not, if a kid cannot even speak without a slang for one conversation that is a huge red flag. Especially if you are trying to gain scholarship. And how can you judge if any of the recruits aren't studs yet? Most kids aren't even on campus... if i'm a college football coach, i'm not looking for a bunch of "choir boys" to put on my team. a person's slang is in no way a "definite" indicator of that person's "character". i'm in constant contact with high school athletes and i know many of them who use that kind of language who are otherwise "high character" kids. to "pre-judge" a kid by the language he uses is a poor way of really getting to know that kid. just because a kid says, "ya know what i'm sayin", is by no means an indicator that he's a disrespectful kid. again, i know this because i'm in constant contact with high level high school athletes. and to your second point, it really would be helpful if folk would "read" what i type instead of "misinterpreting" what i type. relative to "stud" signings, i very clearly stated that; now, if you know of any "studs" that he has personally recruited (not coach wash), please enlighten me... That's fine agree to disagree, but I was taught no matter your background first impressions are everything. You wouldn't want to hire a kid in an interview who can't speak without slang, it should be the same when trying to earn a scholarship. Second, my point with the recruits, whether Washington initiated the conversations really is a moot point. ALL of these kids are a part of Brown's first recruiting class. He had seal the deal with all these kids and vet them himself. Plus it's way too early grade a kid until he hits the field anyway...
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Apr 23, 2023 19:49:43 GMT -5
I think I can be the authority on this since I am a high school teacher and a high school coach.
A good majority of the kids who are seniors have the maturity level of a sophomore due to Covid; however, I don’t give these kids a pass if they played sports in high school they know how to properly address a coach. I am with Coach Brown if that’s my first interaction with you we probably not a good fit.
Do the kids I coach run around yes sir no sir every time we interact no. However these kids have more sense than they want to show at times.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 23, 2023 20:10:30 GMT -5
if i'm a college football coach, i'm not looking for a bunch of "choir boys" to put on my team. a person's slang is in no way a "definite" indicator of that person's "character". i'm in constant contact with high school athletes and i know many of them who use that kind of language who are otherwise "high character" kids. to "pre-judge" a kid by the language he uses is a poor way of really getting to know that kid. just because a kid says, "ya know what i'm sayin", is by no means an indicator that he's a disrespectful kid. again, i know this because i'm in constant contact with high level high school athletes. and to your second point, it really would be helpful if folk would "read" what i type instead of "misinterpreting" what i type. relative to "stud" signings, i very clearly stated that; now, if you know of any "studs" that he has personally recruited (not coach wash), please enlighten me... That's fine agree to disagree, but I was taught no matter your background first impressions are everything. You wouldn't want to hire a kid in an interview who can't speak without slang, it should be the same when trying to earn a scholarship. Second, my point with the recruits, whether Washington initiated the conversations really is a moot point. ALL of these kids are a part of Brown's first recruiting class. He had seal the deal with all these kids and vet them himself. Plus it's way too early grade a kid until he hits the field anyway... yes, let's agree to disagree, i'm okay with that. however, i do agree that "first impressions" are important, but let's put that into perspective. if i'm hiring a college grad for a professional position, absolutely not is "slang" appropriate, regardless of background. but that's a college grad, boys become "men" after 4 or more years of college. so adequate communications should be known and exercised by the time you graduate college. but a high school senior? yes, they are eligible to fight in a war or join the military. but until they are 21, "legally" they are still "boys" which means they still have more growing up to do. that's why i give a pass to high school seniors relative to the language they use. i'd prefer a coach who understands today's youth because those who do, know that a kid who says, "ya know what i'm sayin", ain't being "disrespectful" in their mind. i'd also want a coach who knows that kids come from all kinds of different backgrounds, including foster kids or adopted kids who don't have the advantage of having 2 stay at home parents who teaches them the right things. our kids come from numerous different backgrounds and "expectations" should vary depending on each different background. i grew up in a permanent 2 parent family home and i benefited from growing up in the church with an extended family because my parents made sure of that. yet, i had friends who were "good kids" who never knew who their father was and didn't have the benefit of the upbringing that i had. they didn't speak "perfect english" but they were "good kids" who had to overcome a lot more obstacles in their childhood lives than i did. so i personally understand that and would "never" pre-judge a kid for saying something like, "ya know what i'm sayin" to an adult. instead, i'd be more interested in how he or she was "raised" as well as what kind of "character" he or she has. that, in addition to their talent level, would determine whether i'd offer them a scholly. but i certainly wouldn't "automatically" dismiss a recruit just because i didn't like his or her language the first time we met...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 23, 2023 20:33:55 GMT -5
I think I can be the authority on this since I am a high school teacher and a high school coach. A good majority of the kids who are seniors have the maturity level of a sophomore due to Covid; however, I don’t give these kids a pass if they played sports in high school they know how to properly address a coach. I am with Coach Brown if that’s my first interaction with you we probably not a good fit. Do the kids I coach run around yes sir no sir every time we interact no. However these kids have more sense than they want to show at times. thing is, frisco, all high schools aren't created "equal". i coached high school basketball at a catholic "private" school and the "general" attitude of the students in "private school" was much different than those who went to public school in the "inner city". i mean, no one school is "typical" of every school in the country. we can't paint all kids with the same brush. "NOBODY" can tell me that there's no difference in the "general" attitude of "private school" students compared to "inner city" public school students. shoot, there's even a "general" difference between kids who attend an upper middle class public school versus a "low income" public school. all i'm saying is that folk should not be so immediately "dismissive" of a high school student just because of the language they use. give a kid a chance, talk to them like i do and you'll likely find that "first impressions" are not always necessarily an "accurate impression" of a kid's character. i know one thing, if i'm a college coach, i'd wish that "all" college coaches used coach brown's dismissive approach cuz i know that the language of a high school student does not necessarily define their entire character and there would be a "ton" of outstanding talent left in the cold that couldn't get signed because they were "misunderstood" and not given a chance. that would make it extremely "easy" for me sign great talent who are good kids that got "overlooked"...
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 23, 2023 20:51:26 GMT -5
The kids that want something from you know how to approach you. Give them credit.
Example: if you had a daughter and someone wanted to take them out on a date, you would expect them to address you respectfully the first time you met them or else your daughter would be staying home that night. “Yeah man, you know what I’m sayin’” simply wouldn’t fly. I’m not willing to pretend the kids we recruit have never been taught very basic manners at no point in their life. If you’re playing a sport and looking for a scholly, some coach somewhere told you how to present yourself.
Let me amend this a little:
There are probably some recruits, kids, people somewhere that don’t have enough basic training and common sense to properly address and express themselves to an authority figure upon their first interaction. There are probably some others that flat out feel Iike they don’t have to. I submit these folks are in the EXTREME minority. These are the folks Coach Brown appears to be saying he doesn’t have time for. If you made it all the way to young adulthood and never learned how to comport yourself or never cared enough to comport yourself correctly, that’s a red flag, not a missed opportunity.
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Post by pj on Apr 24, 2023 10:23:30 GMT -5
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Post by AggieGroove on Apr 24, 2023 11:02:33 GMT -5
The kids that want something from you know how to approach you. Give them credit. Example: if you had a daughter and someone wanted to take them out on a date, you would expect them to address you respectfully the first time you met them or else your daughter would be staying home that night. “Yeah man, you know what I’m sayin’” simply wouldn’t fly. I’m not willing to pretend the kids we recruit have never been taught very basic manners at no point in their life. If you’re playing a sport and looking for a scholly, some coach somewhere told you how to present yourself. Let me amend this a little: There are probably some recruits, kids, people somewhere that don’t have enough basic training and common sense to properly address and express themselves to an authority figure upon their first interaction. There are probably some others that flat out feel Iike they don’t have to. I submit these folks are in the EXTREME minority. These are the folks Coach Brown appears to be saying he doesn’t have time for. If you made it all the way to young adulthood and never learned how to comport yourself or never cared enough to comport yourself correctly, that’s a red flag, not a missed opportunity. Let me give you an actual example with my daughter in high school... A young man picks up my daughter for the Senior PROM...he arrives, I'm outside working on the sprinkler system, he is not respectful (a pretty boy), he has his car all spruced going to the Prom, goes inside to meet my daughter, returns to a wet car on his windshield, complains and I shrugged it off. Like Dooms said, he never comport himself correctly as the father of his date (my daughter)....
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 24, 2023 14:04:18 GMT -5
The kids that want something from you know how to approach you. Give them credit. Example: if you had a daughter and someone wanted to take them out on a date, you would expect them to address you respectfully the first time you met them or else your daughter would be staying home that night. “Yeah man, you know what I’m sayin’” simply wouldn’t fly. I’m not willing to pretend the kids we recruit have never been taught very basic manners at no point in their life. If you’re playing a sport and looking for a scholly, some coach somewhere told you how to present yourself. Let me amend this a little: There are probably some recruits, kids, people somewhere that don’t have enough basic training and common sense to properly address and express themselves to an authority figure upon their first interaction. There are probably some others that flat out feel Iike they don’t have to. I submit these folks are in the EXTREME minority. These are the folks Coach Brown appears to be saying he doesn’t have time for. If you made it all the way to young adulthood and never learned how to comport yourself or never cared enough to comport yourself correctly, that’s a red flag, not a missed opportunity. Let me give you an actual example with my daughter in high school... A young man picks up my daughter for the Senior PROM...he arrives, I'm outside working on the sprinkler system, he is not respectful (a pretty boy), he has his car all spruced going to the Prom, goes inside to meet my daughter, returns to a wet car on his windshield, complains and I shrugged it off. Like Dooms said, he never comport himself correctly as the father of his date (my daughter).... i don't know about ya'll, but i wouldn't hold my potential daughter's boyfriend to the same standard as a dude who potentially may play on my football team. again, i don't need a football team full of "choir boys". i would not judge a potential football recruit as if he's someone interviewing with me to date my daughter. instead, i'm looking for a dude who can help my football team, not a dude who could date my daughter. i definitely can envision a dude who is appropriate to play on my football team, but not appropriate to date my daughter. just sayin'...
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Post by aggieblackie2 on Apr 24, 2023 15:15:18 GMT -5
We gone get 100 pages out of this subject unless some serious breaking news occur.
Personally if the kid is a baad shut yo mouth player, I would sign him. You can teach him manners while you are preparing him to raise hell on the field.
Everybody ain't raised the same.
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 24, 2023 15:53:15 GMT -5
Thing is, do you want to take time away from the players that know better to deal with one kid that either didn't know better or never cared to know better because he was allowed to do what he wanted?
It appears Vincent Brown does not.
I remember when Broadway hit town and benched Mike Ferguson for weeks. I don't know if it had anything to do with Ferguson's attitude but I do remember an ill-advised tweet from Ferguson about them "getting rid of his (ni___a) Rags." As far as I could tell Broadway sat him to show him who was boss. It would be nice to avoid that if you don't have to deal with it in the first place. I also don't see Saint Broadway signing anybody that Coach Brown described in his tweet regardless of talent level. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE TEAM. The difference is Brown tweeted it and Broadway just wouldn't deal with your a$$ in the first place.
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Post by aggiechamp on Apr 24, 2023 16:15:40 GMT -5
First, that’s Coach Brown’s standard. As the football coach, he’s entitled to set any standard that he desires within certain parameters. However, in doing so, he should be cognizant that colleges should be place where young people can be molded so that their strengths can be highlighted and their weaknesses can be eliminated or smoothed over. Last I heard A&T subscribed to that mission for its students including student athletes!
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Post by aggie2039 on Apr 24, 2023 16:27:32 GMT -5
First, that’s Coach Brown’s standard. As the football coach, he’s entitled to set any standard that he desires within certain parameters. However, in doing so, he should be cognizant that colleges should be place where young people can be molded so that their strengths can be highlighted and their weaknesses can be eliminated or smoothed over. Last I heard A&T subscribed to that mission for its students including student athletes! It’s not A&T is not a community service organization, it’s a business. A&T mission and direction is dictated by UNC board of Governors. Coach Browns livelihood is on the line, he is making the best decisions for the school and his family.
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