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Post by Maxell on Jan 17, 2023 15:58:31 GMT -5
I think you are making a big assumption about "preference". Most coaches never defer.
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Post by A&T-roy on Jan 17, 2023 19:15:02 GMT -5
Different philosophy from what we've had in the last couple coaches: We'll take the ball 1st, if we win the coin toss, as opposed to deferring. hopefully he will take the same approach with making that decision as he does with the schemes he'll implement. i liked his comment that he doesn't "force fit" his players into a predetermined offensive and defensive system. instead, he caters his systems to the talent he has available to him. i would think he'd take the same approach when determining whether to receive or defer the opening kickoff. "to me", if my offense is not very potent but my defense is a "brick wall", then i would defer every time depending on who the opponent is. on the other hand, if my offense is virtually "unstoppable" but my defense is somewhat "porous", then i'd choose to receive every time depending on who the opponent is. i dunno, but i don't think coach brown is the type of coach who "predetermines" his game day decisions long before the season starts. i'm just basing that on his comments regarding fitting his offensive and defensive systems to accommodate his available talent which i totally agree with. "in my opinion", i think his comment stating that he'd receive opening kickoffs rather than defer, was stating a "preference" (not a season long commitment) when asked by the media host because he said receiving the opening kickoff is a measure of "aggressiveness" that he'd like to employ. but reading between the lines of his comment, i think he'd let the "game day conditions" (i.e., weather, injuries, offensive/defensive capabilities, et cetera) and the caliber of the opponent determine whether he'd receive or defer an opening kickoff. at least i hope that's his view point... I'm just going on what he said...pretty quickly & emphatically. Not trying to read between the lines, etc. We'll see what happens.
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Post by A&T-roy on Jan 17, 2023 19:16:46 GMT -5
Everything will be different. Word Police here: How you know "everything" will be different?
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Post by Maxell on Jan 17, 2023 19:27:16 GMT -5
Everything will be different. Word Police here: How you know "everything" will be different? LOL
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 17, 2023 20:55:10 GMT -5
hopefully he will take the same approach with making that decision as he does with the schemes he'll implement. i liked his comment that he doesn't "force fit" his players into a predetermined offensive and defensive system. instead, he caters his systems to the talent he has available to him. i would think he'd take the same approach when determining whether to receive or defer the opening kickoff. "to me", if my offense is not very potent but my defense is a "brick wall", then i would defer every time depending on who the opponent is. on the other hand, if my offense is virtually "unstoppable" but my defense is somewhat "porous", then i'd choose to receive every time depending on who the opponent is. i dunno, but i don't think coach brown is the type of coach who "predetermines" his game day decisions long before the season starts. i'm just basing that on his comments regarding fitting his offensive and defensive systems to accommodate his available talent which i totally agree with. "in my opinion", i think his comment stating that he'd receive opening kickoffs rather than defer, was stating a "preference" (not a season long commitment) when asked by the media host because he said receiving the opening kickoff is a measure of "aggressiveness" that he'd like to employ. but reading between the lines of his comment, i think he'd let the "game day conditions" (i.e., weather, injuries, offensive/defensive capabilities, et cetera) and the caliber of the opponent determine whether he'd receive or defer an opening kickoff. at least i hope that's his view point... I'm just going on what he said...pretty quickly & emphatically. Not trying to read between the lines, etc. We'll see what happens. oh, most definitely that is exactly what he said, no question about it. i heard it with my own ears. so i'm not disputing that he said that. its just "my opinion" that the media host kinda put him on the spot with that question, so coach responded with his best answer without thoroughly thinking it through. from my perspective, i'm not gonna expect coach brown to "always" choose to receive the opening kickoff when we win the toss. "to me", that decision depends on several factors that change from game to game. indeed, we will see. but that's something that i ain't holding coach accountable to do every game. what about you? do you really expect no matter what, that coach will "always" receive opening kickoffs?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 17, 2023 21:06:06 GMT -5
I think you are making a big assumption about "preference". Most coaches never defer. i have no stats to prove it (maybe i'll google it), but i think most coaches "nowadays" never "receive" first. however, there was a time not too long ago that i believe most coaches indeed did "receive" rather than defer. but seemingly in recent years, that has changed. "i think" most coaches nowadays like the idea of "receiving" after half time because "if" they are trailing, they can immediately employ any offensive "half time adjustments" in an attempt to score asap. whereas, if the other team receives the ball, it is possible to "immediately" fall further behind before you'll be able to "close the gap" and employ your offensive half time adjustments...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 17, 2023 21:15:04 GMT -5
I think you are making a big assumption about "preference". Most coaches never defer. here ya go, i did a quick google search to see if there's any stats available and apparently in the nfl deferring has "sky rocketed" over the last decade which seems about right to me, imo. i'm sure there's more data out there but i don't have the time to dig it up... footballscoop.com/news/number-nfl-coaches-deferring-kickoff-skyrocketed-past-decadeThe number of NFL coaches deferring the kickoff has skyrocketed in the past decade ZACH BARNETTSEP 7, 2018...the NFL gave its teams the option to defer starting in 2008, and in those first three seasons, a third (32 percent, to be exact) of coaches elected to do so. In 2011-12, that number had risen to half of NFL coaches. By 2013-14, it was two-thirds. Now, five in six NFL coaches that win the toss choose to defer, according to ESPN's data. ESPN found no statistical advantage to taking the ball to open the second half rather than the first, but perhaps coaches are aiming at a psychological advantage. An extra possession is, on paper, more valuable in the second half than the first. Maybe coaches are aiming for the double whammy of scoring to close the first half and to open the second. It's probably all of the above.
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Post by A&T-roy on Jan 17, 2023 21:47:07 GMT -5
I'm just going on what he said...pretty quickly & emphatically. Not trying to read between the lines, etc. We'll see what happens. oh, most definitely that is exactly what he said, no question about it. i heard it with my own ears. so i'm not disputing that he said that. its just "my opinion" that the media host kinda put him on the spot with that question, so coach responded with his best answer without thoroughly thinking it through. from my perspective, i'm not gonna expect coach brown to "always" choose to receive the opening kickoff when we win the toss. "to me", that decision depends on several factors that change from game to game. indeed, we will see. but that's something that i ain't holding coach accountable to do every game. what about you? do you really expect no matter what, that coach will "always" receive opening kickoffs? I was, actually, surprised he said that. As with a lot of things, I'm gonna take a wait and see approach. It might be how he does it, like I can't remember a time Coach Wash took the ball 1st from what I think was his "always defer" stmt.
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Post by A&T-roy on Jan 17, 2023 21:52:49 GMT -5
I think you are making a big assumption about "preference". Most coaches never defer. here ya go, i did a quick google search to see if there's any stats available and apparently in the nfl deferring has "sky rocketed" over the last decade which seems about right to me, imo. i'm sure there's more data out there but i don't have the time to dig it up... footballscoop.com/news/number-nfl-coaches-deferring-kickoff-skyrocketed-past-decadeThe number of NFL coaches deferring the kickoff has skyrocketed in the past decade ZACH BARNETTSEP 7, 2018...the NFL gave its teams the option to defer starting in 2008, and in those first three seasons, a third (32 percent, to be exact) of coaches elected to do so. In 2011-12, that number had risen to half of NFL coaches. By 2013-14, it was two-thirds. Now, five in six NFL coaches that win the toss choose to defer, according to ESPN's data. ESPN found no statistical advantage to taking the ball to open the second half rather than the first, but perhaps coaches are aiming at a psychological advantage. An extra possession is, on paper, more valuable in the second half than the first. Maybe coaches are aiming for the double whammy of scoring to close the first half and to open the second. It's probably all of the above. Oh yeah, from what I see/remember deferral is the overwhelming position nowadays.
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Post by saabman on Jan 17, 2023 22:11:16 GMT -5
I think you are making a big assumption about "preference". Most coaches never defer. i have no stats to prove it (maybe i'll google it), but i think most coaches "nowadays" never "receive" first. however, there was a time not too long ago that i believe most coaches indeed did "receive" rather than defer. but seemingly in recent years, that has changed. "i think" most coaches nowadays like the idea of "receiving" after half time because "if" they are trailing, they can immediately employ any offensive "half time adjustments" in an attempt to score asap. whereas, if the other team receives the ball, it is possible to "immediately" fall further behind before you'll be able to "close the gap" and employ your offensive half time adjustments... Some do ,some don't. It all depends on the individual coach/coaches and their preference . I've known coaches that prefer to receive in the first half, and known those that prefer to receive in the second half it's really no set pattern just what a coaches/coach prefers .
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 17, 2023 22:32:26 GMT -5
i have no stats to prove it (maybe i'll google it), but i think most coaches "nowadays" never "receive" first. however, there was a time not too long ago that i believe most coaches indeed did "receive" rather than defer. but seemingly in recent years, that has changed. "i think" most coaches nowadays like the idea of "receiving" after half time because "if" they are trailing, they can immediately employ any offensive "half time adjustments" in an attempt to score asap. whereas, if the other team receives the ball, it is possible to "immediately" fall further behind before you'll be able to "close the gap" and employ your offensive half time adjustments... Some do ,some don't. It all depends on the individual coach/coaches and their preference . I've known coaches that prefer to receive in the first half, and known those that prefer to receive in the second half it's really no set pattern just what a coaches/coach prefers . me personally if i was a head football coach, i'd make that decision on a game by game basis. i'd never say that i'd make the same decision "every game" and i honestly don't expect coach brown to do that either. me personally, i'd prefer to "defer" because if i'm trailing at half time, i can begin to cut into that deficit "immediately" after brainstorming during half time and get some offensive momentum going. and if i'm leading, i can "increase" the deficit "immediately". i dunno, every coach has their own philosophy on deferring. but i'd make that decision based on the pregame conditions of each individual game...
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Post by A&T-roy on Jan 18, 2023 12:11:40 GMT -5
Some do ,some don't. It all depends on the individual coach/coaches and their preference . I've known coaches that prefer to receive in the first half, and known those that prefer to receive in the second half it's really no set pattern just what a coaches/coach prefers . me personally if i was a head football coach, i'd make that decision on a game by game basis. i'd never say that i'd make the same decision "every game" and i honestly don't expect coach brown to do that either. me personally, i'd prefer to "defer" because if i'm trailing at half time, i can begin to cut into that deficit "immediately" after brainstorming during half time and get some offensive momentum going. and if i'm leading, i can "increase" the deficit "immediately". i dunno, every coach has their own philosophy on deferring. but i'd make that decision based on the pregame conditions of each individual game... Me too. Game-by-game basis.
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Post by Maxell on Jan 18, 2023 13:05:17 GMT -5
here ya go, i did a quick google search to see if there's any stats available and apparently in the nfl deferring has "sky rocketed" over the last decade which seems about right to me, imo. i'm sure there's more data out there but i don't have the time to dig it up... footballscoop.com/news/number-nfl-coaches-deferring-kickoff-skyrocketed-past-decadeThe number of NFL coaches deferring the kickoff has skyrocketed in the past decade ZACH BARNETTSEP 7, 2018...the NFL gave its teams the option to defer starting in 2008, and in those first three seasons, a third (32 percent, to be exact) of coaches elected to do so. In 2011-12, that number had risen to half of NFL coaches. By 2013-14, it was two-thirds. Now, five in six NFL coaches that win the toss choose to defer, according to ESPN's data. ESPN found no statistical advantage to taking the ball to open the second half rather than the first, but perhaps coaches are aiming at a psychological advantage. An extra possession is, on paper, more valuable in the second half than the first. Maybe coaches are aiming for the double whammy of scoring to close the first half and to open the second. It's probably all of the above. Oh yeah, from what I see/remember deferral is the overwhelming position nowadays. Thanks for this. I guess I'm so damn old I haven't been paying attention for the last 20 years. LOL
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Post by amazingaggie on Jan 18, 2023 17:41:14 GMT -5
Any idea on the time frame of the coaching staff hires? Is anyone handling recruiting?
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Post by jbrob on Jan 18, 2023 18:42:31 GMT -5
Any idea on the time frame of the coaching staff hires? Is anyone handling recruiting? It maybe hard to get coordinators and assistants.
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