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Post by aggieswag on Dec 16, 2022 5:51:11 GMT -5
Listen to what the players are saying .. from what I have read and heard these are not demands they want these are things they were promised and were not given those are two separate things. If you don’t have the resources to give those things then it should not be promised .. we hear the same things coming from the athletes in all sports so I’m not going to put on my blinders and pretend that athletes from every sport saying the same thing is not something we should take seriously.
The athletic department is in complete shambles .. every sport is unstable, every facility is trash.. the football program has been completely demolished .. the glory years are over .. it’s not the fear of the unknown it’s the fear that the people that failed to take advantage of successes & now has led us to the complete embarrassing destruction of all our programs is supposed to bring them back .. I think that is the fear and it’s a legitimate fear.
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Post by aggie2039 on Dec 16, 2022 7:13:23 GMT -5
Listen to what the players are saying .. from what I have read and heard these are not demands they want these are things they were promised and were not given those are two separate things. If you don’t have the resources to give those things then it should not be promised .. we hear the same things coming from the athletes in all sports so I’m not going to put on my blinders and pretend that athletes from every sport saying the same thing is not something we should take seriously. The athletic department is in complete shambles .. every sport is unstable, every facility is trash.. the football program has been completely demolished .. the glory years are over .. it’s not the fear of the unknown it’s the fear that the people that failed to take advantage of successes & now has led us to the complete embarrassing destruction of all our programs is supposed to bring them back .. I think that is the fear and it’s a legitimate fear. What are those 2 things? Our program was definitely destroyed by handing it over to the wrong person. Firing him is the first step righting the ship. |
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Post by aggieswag on Dec 16, 2022 7:24:19 GMT -5
Listen to what the players are saying .. from what I have read and heard these are not demands they want these are things they were promised and were not given those are two separate things. If you don’t have the resources to give those things then it should not be promised .. we hear the same things coming from the athletes in all sports so I’m not going to put on my blinders and pretend that athletes from every sport saying the same thing is not something we should take seriously. The athletic department is in complete shambles .. every sport is unstable, every facility is trash.. the football program has been completely demolished .. the glory years are over .. it’s not the fear of the unknown it’s the fear that the people that failed to take advantage of successes & now has led us to the complete embarrassing destruction of all our programs is supposed to bring them back .. I think that is the fear and it’s a legitimate fear. What are those 2 things? Our program was definitely destroyed by handing it over to the wrong person. Firing him is the first step righting the ship. I’m saying wants and needs are different from promises. These kids are saying promises are broken. That’s different and not to be discounted. I’m not necessarily downing the firing but we’ve had two (really 3) firings that defies logic in timing. There’s a reason why these decisions are made immediately after the season .. we can’t even fire correctly .. cohesion is the best way forward .. we have not learned from past transgressions. But I will say this we still had the top HBCU football program in the country ..and that may have not been good enough .. but whoever comes in has to be better than that. And that’s a tall task. And the way we run our Athletic Department I’m not sure what kind of coaching talent enters a complete disaster zone. I’m praying for the best. But it’s not looking good. Nothing not one sport looks good .. oh my bad shout out to the bowling team. |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 16, 2022 7:48:20 GMT -5
Our program was definitely destroyed by handing it over to the wrong person. Who handed the program over to that person? Does the handler deserve any criticism? |
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Post by aggie2039 on Dec 16, 2022 7:50:25 GMT -5
What are those 2 things? Our program was definitely destroyed by handing it over to the wrong person. Firing him is the first step righting the ship. I’m saying wants and needs are different from promises. These kids are saying promises are broken. That’s different and not to be discounted. I’m not necessarily downing the firing but we’ve had two (really 3) firings that defies logic in timing. There’s a reason why these decisions are made immediately after the season .. we can’t even fire correctly .. cohesion is the best way forward .. we have not learned from past transgressions. But I will say this we still had the top HBCU football program in the country ..and that may have not been good enough .. but whoever comes in has to be better than that. And that’s a tall task. And the way we run our Athletic Department I’m not sure what kind of coaching talent enters a complete disaster zone. I’m praying for the best. But it’s not looking good. Nothing not one sport looks good .. oh my bad shout out to the bowling team. Again what are the two things they want? Track and Field isn’t in shambles. The basketball coach firing wasn’t without cause, a leader can’t predict when a person on your job is going to do something to get them fired. The Celtics fired their coach right before the season started for off the court issues, people will people and it won’t be we convenient timing for any organization. True the timing for firing Washington was a bit delayed but at the end of the day why does it really matter? There is a February signing period coming up, as long as we have a coach by then we will be ok. Players always leave when a coach is fired or moves to a new job, heck Deion is taking 10 players with him to CU. |
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Post by aggie2039 on Dec 16, 2022 7:52:10 GMT -5
Our program was definitely destroyed by handing it over to the wrong person. Who handed the program over to that person? Does the handler deserve any criticism? Definitely!!! It was the easy button. Due succession plans ever work out? NCCU and BCU both made internal hires after successful runs and their programs had a slow decline!! |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 16, 2022 8:00:34 GMT -5
I think when your program is at the top, succession plans are always the first option. Look at ND state. They have constantly promoted from within.
The key is to have a sustainable infrastructure than will remain in place regardless of who you hire to lead the program.
Our infrastructure got exposed when Broadway left. He was covering up a lot of sins for Earl and this athletic department.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2022 8:14:33 GMT -5
I think when your program is at the top, succession plans are always the first option. Look at ND state. They have constantly promoted from within. The key is to have a sustainable infrastructure than will remain in place regardless of who you hire to lead the program. Our infrastructure got exposed when Broadway left. He was covering up a lot of sins for Earl and this athletic department. Are we sure it’s all on Earl? I don’t know how much influence he has over Campus Enterprises becoming more of a funding arm for Athletics. There was a push to move reduce Athletics reliance on Campus Enterprises money. Of course, that was before the move to the CAA and athletes openly complaining about the lack of trainers and money for housing in light of their Coach being fired. I seriously suspect we will see more institutional funds be funneled into athletics and the fight will be how much more they’re willing to give Earl. If more kids come forward and the next coach comes in, demanding Harold and Campus Enterprises give them money to pay for the coaches he wants, and the upgrades they want, we’ll be okay. Otherwise… |
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Post by aggie30 on Dec 16, 2022 8:18:26 GMT -5
I thought the Big South was a lot better than the MEAC. The CAA will be even better than the Big South. I watched some of the teams in the MEAC (Howard 2019 Homecoming). They were terrible. I never saw a team in the Big South that bad. We have to move forward. Times have changed and we need to be competitive in all phases of football.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 16, 2022 8:19:36 GMT -5
Man, yall are funny. This whole department and everyone in it is funny. "Needs/demands aren't being met", but no one happens to know what those are? That sounds like a bunch of prisoners that have taken over the prison without a plan(see Boondocks), LOL. The assuming without facts is what's killing me. Someone will come back and say "Well, if they were more transparent then blah blah blah...". Organizations dont work like that. You cant give out news as soon as it happens. If they did yall would criticize them for that also. "Oh, they should have put more thought into that statement". No facts have come out in this case at all.
Yes, facilities need a facelift. What else? If the players aint saying exactly then how can anyone even speculate? Until a player straight up says, "I asked for this and didn't get it" no one can even help or begin to bash the person that didn't get it for them. It can even be said anomalously to a creditable news source and I'll take it. But until then it's all a guessing game. Hald yall dudes got teenagers or grown kids and act like you aint never heard a kid complain for nothing or something trivial all the way until they in their 20s. When a child complains you listen, check and reverify the facts then evaluate and then act.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 16, 2022 8:30:02 GMT -5
Dude, you were on here two days ago spreading the nonsense that Coach Washington resigned on his own accord and was not fired. That obviously was a lie. He did not even get a chance to say goodbye to his players.
You need to go back to your sources and ask them why they invented that story and what was their motivation to encourage you to repeat it. There seems to be people behind the scenes at A&T who are just hellbent on keeping up the status quo and preventing real improvements from happening.
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Post by aggieswag on Dec 16, 2022 8:31:49 GMT -5
2039 why do you keep asking what two things. Please read! I am saying that Promises and wants are two separate things. Not that there are two things they want. All I’m saying is if you have a buck stops here mentality you have to look at the overall.. and the overall aspect of A&T athletics is absolutely horrible. The players are yelling it from the rooftop. My loyalty is to the institution not to people. People come and go . But the institution and our brand remains. If the football players, basketball players, and track athletes are all yelling the same exact thing and to the extent the coaches echoing that we would be a fool to ignore it. There is some truth to it somewhere.
Again as I said in a previous post that yesterdays skill set is not necessarily what’s needed today. College Athletics has changed dramatically. It’s a whole new world. I think our adaptation to this has been abysmal. I think our attendance is abysmal giving the past success, our corporate sponsorship and advertisement is abysmal.. nil deals are abysmal, .. either their needs to be a strong conversation of adaptation w benchmarks or there needs to be a plan to transition to someone who can do these things ..
Money is an issue but A&T finds the money when they want to do something. We’ve got 3 buyouts and two conference changes that literally cost tens of millions of dollars, and they said no problem. So I hear it but it’s not the sole problem or the biggest one. From the cheap seats I sit in this is about leadership and vision. And we are lacking it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2022 8:37:15 GMT -5
2039 why do you keep asking what two things. Please read! I am saying that Promises and wants are two separate things. Not that there are two things they want. All I’m saying is if you have a buck stops here mentality you have to look at the overall.. and the overall aspect of A&T athletics is absolutely horrible. The players are yelling it from the rooftop. My loyalty is to the institution not to people. People come and go . But the institution and our brand remains. If the football players, basketball players, and track athletes are all yelling the same exact thing and to the extent the coaches echoing that we would be a fool to ignore it. There is some truth to it somewhere. Again as I said in a previous post that yesterdays skill set is not necessarily what’s needed today. College Athletics has changed dramatically. It’s a whole new world. I think our adaptation to this has been abysmal. I think our attendance is abysmal giving the past success, our corporate sponsorship and advertisement is abysmal.. nil deals are abysmal, .. either their needs to be a strong conversation of adaptation w benchmarks or there needs to be a plan to transition to someone who can do these things .. Money is an issue but A&T finds the money when they want to do something. We’ve got 3 buyouts and two conference changes that literally cost tens of millions of dollars, and they said no problem. So I hear it but it’s not the sole problem or the biggest one. From the cheap seats I sit in this is about leadership and vision. And we are lacking it. About the buyouts… One ends this summer and another will end next Fall. I’m not sure about the conference payments as those could’ve been paid off by now. Money oddly doesn’t become an issue if the Chancellor has a certain goal. Things improved under Broadway and will improve under the new coach IF Harold wants that. He’s been saying this publicly and is seemingly pulling the strings to make it happen. It’s all on Chancellor Martin at this point. |
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Post by aggie30 on Dec 16, 2022 8:40:27 GMT -5
2039 why do you keep asking what two things. Please read! I am saying that Promises and wants are two separate things. Not that there are two things they want. All I’m saying is if you have a buck stops here mentality you have to look at the overall.. and the overall aspect of A&T athletics is absolutely horrible. The players are yelling it from the rooftop. My loyalty is to the institution not to people. People come and go . But the institution and our brand remains. If the football players, basketball players, and track athletes are all yelling the same exact thing and to the extent the coaches echoing that we would be a fool to ignore it. There is some truth to it somewhere. Again as I said in a previous post that yesterdays skill set is not necessarily what’s needed today. College Athletics has changed dramatically. It’s a whole new world. I think our adaptation to this has been abysmal. I think our attendance is abysmal giving the past success, our corporate sponsorship and advertisement is abysmal.. nil deals are abysmal, .. either their needs to be a strong conversation of adaptation w benchmarks or there needs to be a plan to transition to someone who can do these things .. Money is an issue but A&T finds the money when they want to do something. We’ve got 3 buyouts and two conference changes that literally cost tens of millions of dollars, and they said no problem. So I hear it but it’s not the sole problem or the biggest one. From the cheap seats I sit in this is about leadership and vision. And we are lacking it. I agree the leadership is the biggest question I have right now. We seem to do a lot of stuff a$$ backwards. |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 16, 2022 8:41:09 GMT -5
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