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Post by Aggie One on May 30, 2023 20:02:13 GMT -5
It clearly appears now with the exception of 3 or perhaps 4 players, the entire roster will be completely new for 2023-24.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 30, 2023 21:01:33 GMT -5
Now that the Spring semester has ended and Coach Ross's players talk occurred early April, I would say that we have officially lost every player that entered the transfer portal. With Coach Ross only having 3 scholarships left, I don't see him offering any of the transfer players their scholarships back and I don't forsee any of them returning as walk-ons due to their pride even if Coach Ross would have them. Majority of A&T transfers have not found a new home yet. I believe several of them will end up not playing basketball next semester or walk-on at other schools. If the majority of our transfers have not found a new home yet, that says a lot. Maybe they aren't that good. I think it's too soon to evaluate Coach Ross's team until they suit up and play. I realize that some on this site question his coaching ability but let's at least wait until the season starts before we right him off. I only saw a few games last season and they were awful so I'm nervously optimistic about this season. who questioned coach ross's coaching ability? i don't recall anyone doing that... Sent from my SM-G950U using proboards
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 30, 2023 21:07:52 GMT -5
It clearly appears now with the exception of 3 or perhaps 4 players, the entire roster will be completely new for 2023-24. i'm noticing that most if all of his recruits so far are very good defensive players and i personally like that. however, i think we'll need more "scoring" on the team though i'm a "defense first" kinda dude... Sent from my SM-G950U using proboards
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Post by saabman on May 30, 2023 21:40:04 GMT -5
It clearly appears now with the exception of 3 or perhaps 4 players, the entire roster will be completely new for 2023-24. That's a good thing. You can't rebuild a team/ program with out doing it from the ground up the right way .
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Post by B on May 31, 2023 5:33:05 GMT -5
It clearly appears now with the exception of 3 or perhaps 4 players, the entire roster will be completely new for 2023-24. Starters? PG - Tyrese Elliot SG - Marquavious Brown SF/W - ? PF - ? C/P - Will Felton or PG - ? Camian Shell or Dylan Swift SG - Tyrese Elliot SF/W - Marquavious Brown PF - ? C/P - Will Felton What does the board think?
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Post by DECKS on May 31, 2023 6:09:39 GMT -5
It clearly appears now with the exception of 3 or perhaps 4 players, the entire roster will be completely new for 2023-24. That's a good thing. You can't rebuild a team/ program with out doing it from the ground up the right way . Current environment doesn't allow you to build from the ground up. Have to recruit with the mindset that you're only going to have a kid for a year...perhaps two. Imo we need to seek out the most talented and experienced players we can get. Transfer Portal has at least for now changed the game. Unless they're a 3 star, I'm not sure recruiting heavily from high school is an effective strategy anymore?
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Post by planoaggie on May 31, 2023 9:15:16 GMT -5
It clearly appears now with the exception of 3 or perhaps 4 players, the entire roster will be completely new for 2023-24. That's a good thing. You can't rebuild a team/ program with out doing it from the ground up the right way . My take on this whole rebuild situation is that it all could have been avoided if we had a coach in place before the basketball transfer portal window opened up. The team was not bad and Coach Ross's recruiting obligation would have been less stressful, yet still tough. With that said, Coach Ross has to play with the hand he was dealt. In my opinion we are experiencing a "complete overhaul" of the mbb program instead of a small or minor rebuild which takes longer for a program to become highly competitive again no matter who is the head coach. Reason being is that a good coach will have to spend more time developing mostly new players and getting them to buy into his new system (offense, defense, and transition) while not losing these newly developed players to the portal. At the same time, many top players (HS and transfers) tend to shy away from complete overhaul programs due to them wanting to be part of a winning program, instant recognition, money (NIL), etc. Hopefully, we will be able to sign a few and hold onto them for several years. Let's see how much patience we (players, fans, and administration) exercise throughout this process.
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Post by planoaggie on May 31, 2023 9:52:39 GMT -5
That's a good thing. You can't rebuild a team/ program with out doing it from the ground up the right way . Current environment doesn't allow you to build from the ground up. Have to recruit with the mindset that you're only going to have a kid for a year...perhaps two. Imo we need to seek out the most talented and experienced players we can get. Transfer Portal has at least for now changed the game. Unless they're a 3 star, I'm not sure recruiting heavily from high school is an effective strategy anymore? I understand that you are speaking in general and not specifically about A&T and you are probably correct for the high major schools as to recruiting strategy, but I am not sure about low and mid-major colleges. I am at the point where you need to do a 50/50 split of HS vs transfers. As to specifically A&T situation, in my opinion Coach Ross probably has no choice this season but to sign more HS players. The better transfer players would be looking for a more suitable landing spot due to A&T being their 2nd or 3rd college and not be apart of a rebuild versus a player fresh out of high school that is also easier to persuade. My concern is whether we can sign a few good Bigs with preference towards transfers so coach can have multiple options available to him in changing the lineup. Right now we are a small young team.
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Post by SixtiesAggie on May 31, 2023 11:56:02 GMT -5
It clearly appears now with the exception of 3 or perhaps 4 players, the entire roster will be completely new for 2023-24. Starters? PG - Tyrese Elliot SG - Marquavious Brown SF/W - ? PF - ? C/P - Will Felton or PG - ? Camian Shell or Dylan Swift SG - Tyrese Elliot SF/W - Marquavious Brown PF - ? C/P - Will Felton What does the board think? Looking at the present roster, how many of those players are still around and who are they? Are some of the ones listed new transfers? If so, are they experienced enough to have some impact? I'm of the opinion that we are in a wait and see mode, and that's not a bad thing. It is probably going to take some time for the coach to develop a good solid program capable of winning at least half of their games early. That will require good recruiting as well as good coaching. That will buy him some time to establish a solid program. The watch word is PATIENCE.
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Post by saabman on May 31, 2023 13:12:24 GMT -5
That's a good thing. You can't rebuild a team/ program with out doing it from the ground up the right way . My take on this whole rebuild situation is that it all could have been avoided if we had a coach in place before the basketball transfer portal window opened up. The team was not bad and Coach Ross's recruiting obligation would have been less stressful, yet still tough. With that said, Coach Ross has to play with the hand he was dealt. In my opinion we are experiencing a "complete overhaul" of the mbb program instead of a small or minor rebuild which takes longer for a program to become highly competitive again no matter who is the head coach. Reason being is that a good coach will have to spend more time developing mostly new players and getting them to buy into his new system (offense, defense, and transition) while not losing these newly developed players to the portal. At the same time, many top players (HS and transfers) tend to shy away from complete overhaul programs due to them wanting to be part of a winning program, instant recognition, money (NIL), etc. Hopefully, we will be able to sign a few and hold onto them for several years. Let's see how much patience we (players, fans, and administration) exercise throughout this process. Also even if Ross would have been in-place ,the players that transferred out may have done so regardless. The feeling that I'm getting from Ross is that he is willing to start with a completely clean slate. With the players that fit his vision of what his team should be . I'm not under or over estimating the talent that Ross has brought in although I would like to see more size down low in the paint . Personally I think that A&T will do a lot better then what some are thinking right now . My focus at this time is mainly on the Football π team and then Basketball π .
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Post by planoaggie on May 31, 2023 13:47:58 GMT -5
My take on this whole rebuild situation is that it all could have been avoided if we had a coach in place before the basketball transfer portal window opened up. The team was not bad and Coach Ross's recruiting obligation would have been less stressful, yet still tough. With that said, Coach Ross has to play with the hand he was dealt. In my opinion we are experiencing a "complete overhaul" of the mbb program instead of a small or minor rebuild which takes longer for a program to become highly competitive again no matter who is the head coach. Reason being is that a good coach will have to spend more time developing mostly new players and getting them to buy into his new system (offense, defense, and transition) while not losing these newly developed players to the portal. At the same time, many top players (HS and transfers) tend to shy away from complete overhaul programs due to them wanting to be part of a winning program, instant recognition, money (NIL), etc. Hopefully, we will be able to sign a few and hold onto them for several years. Let's see how much patience we (players, fans, and administration) exercise throughout this process. Also even if Ross would have been in-place ,the players that transferred out may have done so regardless. The feeling that I'm getting from Ross is that he is willing to start with a completely clean slate. With the players that fit his vision of what his team should be . I'm not under or over estimating the talent that Ross has brought in although I would like to see more size down low in the paint . Personally I think that A&T will do a lot better then what some are thinking right now . My focus at this time is mainly on the Football π team and then Basketball π . Yes, very hard to read what moves these kids these days when it comes to the transfer portal.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 31, 2023 16:12:15 GMT -5
from my viewpoint, gone are the days that you "build" a d1 squad from high school recruits "only". even the major d1's don't do that no more cuz the portal has changed everything for them too. used to be a time when only the major d1's had to worry about a freshman prematurely leaving their team (usually for the nba). but now, as a result of the portal, "all" d1 programs have to be concerned about their players "prematurely" leaving their program.
so to me, as long as the portal exists as it does today, i believe that it would be wise for all programs at our level to recruit "both" high school and transfer portal recruits. to me, if you only rely on high school recruits, that's very "risky" cuz recent history has shown that often young players who excel at the midmajor level have a propensity to wanna "test the waters" at the major d1 level.
so if you "build" your roster from scratch with solely high school players, they're likely to struggle early (meaning less team success) and the possibility of your young star players seeking a higher level of competition could possibly set your building process back to zero.
that's why i think the best approach would be to recruit "both" high school and transfer portal recruits...
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Post by Aggie One on May 31, 2023 16:40:35 GMT -5
Ross has stated on more than one occasion since coming here that he would like his future teams to be about a 50-50 balance between HS players and portal transfers (including JUCOs) as much as possible, knowing that on any given year one number might favor over another and vice-versa.
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Post by planoaggie on May 31, 2023 18:04:55 GMT -5
from my viewpoint, gone are the days that you "build" a d1 squad from high school recruits "only". even the major d1's don't do that no more cuz the portal has changed everything for them too. used to be a time when only the major d1's had to worry about a freshman prematurely leaving their team (usually for the nba). but now, as a result of the portal, "all" d1 programs have to be concerned about their players "prematurely" leaving their program. so to me, as long as the portal exists as it does today, i believe that it would be wise for all programs at our level to recruit "both" high school and transfer portal recruits. to me, if you only rely on high school recruits, that's very "risky" cuz recent history has shown that often young players who excel at the midmajor level have a propensity to wanna "test the waters" at the major d1 level. so if you "build" your roster from scratch with solely high school players, they're likely to struggle early (meaning less team success) and the possibility of your young star players seeking a higher level of competition could possibly set your building process back to zero. that's why i think the best approach would be to recruit "both" high school and transfer portal recruits... New transfer portal rules will be implemented this academic year. Let's see if the number of transfers remain very high. Seems like many if not all of us including Coach Ross are in agreement that we need to recruit from all sources to be successful.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on May 31, 2023 18:43:52 GMT -5
How many post players do we currently have ? Felton, Joyner and the transfer from the D2 ?
Am I missing anyone ?
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