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Post by 4XLAGGIE on May 25, 2022 8:28:52 GMT -5
Coach Ross worked his way up to 325K. I wouldn't expect the next coach walking in the door to make that. Is there another coach out there worthy of those kinds of dollars right now? JMHO...
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Post by A&T-roy on May 25, 2022 8:31:00 GMT -5
Wow 2039, you are really on one today. There is no reason to be in your feelings. It was a win for all parties. I'm not sure I agree that Aggie Incompetence as you state is the reason for Mr. Ross' departure. Supporters > Fans I’m not on one or in my feelings, I know what a well ran forward leaning organization looks like and this isn’t it. Is it ok for coaches that have left the program to still be on our official site? Is ok that we haven’t had a state of athletics address from administration? Is it ok that BT had to force the school to release a statement about coaches leaving the program? Is it ok that football had zero discipline last year? Is it ok that the grass is brown? Is it ok that GW had to get an escort to their bus after the football game? Is it ok that there is still no replacement for Carl? Is it ok that TSU, JSU and other schools are already selling and promoting season tickets for football about a month ago while we are left wondering when sales will start? The Athletics department has grown complacent at all levels and it’s time for changes. It’s natural, when people are a job for a long time they become complacent! What we see or ignore as fans is just the tip of the iceberg, I can only imagine how truly dysfunctional the department is. 2039 - I know you're trying to make your point but to say football had "zero" discipline last year is not right. #EaseUp |
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Post by bluehaze on May 25, 2022 8:37:40 GMT -5
Coach Ross worked his way up to 325K. I wouldn't expect the next coach walking in the door to make that. Is there another coach out there worthy of those kinds of dollars right now? JMHO... Oh, I agree. Just stating that perspective coaches know that if they excel, the money is there for them. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 8:44:13 GMT -5
Coach Ross worked his way up to 325K. I wouldn't expect the next coach walking in the door to make that. Is there another coach out there worthy of those kinds of dollars right now? JMHO... Therein lies the crux of the issue; who we are able to attract to the job. IMHO, salary is a part of it. But so is the support of the program. Will the next director be able to have the same recruiting budget and scholarships that Coach Ross had to recruit nationally for talent? Or, would we have to shrink either? And if we can keep the salary relatively close to what Coach Ross received along with scholarships and recruiting budget, who can we truly attract with our name in the Track and Field world? |
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Post by Bornthrilla on May 25, 2022 8:48:25 GMT -5
IF we continue to invest that much money and resources into our track & field program, what kind of ROI are we expecting?
Ross had a perennial top 10 national program. Will the next T&F coach be expected to duplicate that?
How much revenue do we expect our T&F program to generate annually?
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Post by Aggie Monster on May 25, 2022 8:57:46 GMT -5
IF we continue to invest that much money and resources into our track & field program, what kind of ROI are we expecting? Ross had a perennial top 10 national program. Will the next T&F coach be expected to duplicate that? How much revenue do we expect our T&F program to generate annually? First, I think it was $225K and not $325K. Lets not let the numbers snowball here. I could be wrong, but probably not.(this was for the other post, not you thrilla) Second, I dont think anyone would come in making the $225. A track coach has to earn that. The track and field success can not be measured by any real ROI. It's exposure that you cant buy. You cant say how many kids were drawn to A&T just because of seeing the track success or never heard of us but saw the media coverage and gave A&T a chance. And I'm talking about non-athletes. Paying tution students. A&T is now 20some thousand with room and board and about $35k out of state. If exposure from track gained 15 more students it was worth it. In reality the track program can help pay for the coaches salary itself if the coach knows what he is doing. A not so talked about technique in non-revenue sports is recruiting not so well off kids. You have a better chance of getting an offer if your from a single parent home and mom is just making it than the kid whos equal in talent but both parents work. Say you have 12 scholarships to divide up($264,000). You give 24 half scholarships. Say 12 qualify for a pell grant for half of the schools tuition. Well, You just got half that money back and now only spent $132,000. Ross was probably a pro at that part as well. Knowing who to target and how to help with the cost, whether it be by pell grant, academic scholarships, and/or loans. A track coach can bring in federal pell grant money and federal loan money simply based on who he recruits. You gotta know how to work it. |
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Post by DOOMS on May 25, 2022 8:58:07 GMT -5
Also we must realize if we continue to have a top-level t&f program we will continue to lose the coach. What non-power 5 program is going to be able to hold onto their coach when a power 5 comes calling? For all the warts we may have, if he was at App State, Charlotte, or ECU, Ross STILL would've left for Tennessee.
Making sure the program is top notch is as important as finding the right people to coach it.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 9:09:05 GMT -5
IF we continue to invest that much money and resources into our track & field program, what kind of ROI are we expecting? Ross had a perennial top 10 national program. Will the next T&F coach be expected to duplicate that? How much revenue do we expect our T&F program to generate annually? First, I think it was $225K and not $325K. Lets not let the numbers snowball here. I could be wrong, but probably not.(this was for the other post, not you thrilla) Second, I dont think anyone would come in making the $225. A track coach has to earn that. The track and field success can not be measured by any real ROI. It's exposure that you cant buy. You cant say how many kids were drawn to A&T just because of seeing the track success or never heard of us but saw the media coverage and gave A&T a chance. And I'm talking about non-athletes. Paying tution students. A&T is now 20some thousand with room and board and about $35k out of state. If exposure from track gained 15 more students it was worth it. In reality the track program can help pay for the coaches salary itself if the coach knows what he is doing. A not so talked about technique in non-revenue sports is recruiting not so well off kids. You have a better chance of getting an offer if your from a single parent home and mom is just making it than the kid whos equal in talent but both parents work. Say you have 12 scholarships to divide up($264,000). You give 24 half scholarships. Say 12 qualify for a pell grant for half of the schools tuition. Well, You just got half that money back and now only spent $132,000. Ross was probably a pro at that part as well. Knowing who to target and how to help with the cost. A track coach can bring in federal pell grant money simply based on who he recruits. You gotta know how to work it. To be clear, the $325 was Coach Ross' salary as of 03/31/2022. |
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Post by Aggie Monster on May 25, 2022 9:11:27 GMT -5
To be clear, the $325 was Coach Ross' salary as of 03/31/2022. I stand corrected, my source was $225K last checked. Raises are nice! Especially when its $100K. I really dont think a new coach would come in making anywhere near that. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 9:11:27 GMT -5
Also we must realize if we continue to have a top-level t&f program we will continue to lose the coach. What non-power 5 program is going to be able to hold onto their coach when a power 5 comes calling? For all the warts we may have, if he was at App State, Charlotte, or ECU, Ross STILL would've left for Tennessee. Making sure the program is top notch is as important as finding the right people to coach it. That's the life of being a mid-major athletic department; your coaches will always become candidates for Power-5/FBS jobs should they show success. However, that will also make you attractive to quality, up-and-coming coaches. Overall, this is something we alumni must begin to wrap our heads around and accept. Otherwise, you're going to be raising your blood pressure for no true reason. |
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Post by DOOMS on May 25, 2022 9:13:11 GMT -5
Also we must realize if we continue to have a top-level t&f program we will continue to lose the coach. What non-power 5 program is going to be able to hold onto their coach when a power 5 comes calling? For all the warts we may have, if he was at App State, Charlotte, or ECU, Ross STILL would've left for Tennessee. Making sure the program is top notch is as important as finding the right people to coach it. That's the life of being a mid-major athletic department; your coaches will always become candidates for Power-5/FBS jobs should they show success. However, that will also make you attractive to quality, up-and-coming coaches. Overall, this is something we alumni must begin to wrap our heads around and accept. Otherwise, you're going to be raising your blood pressure for no true reason. That's the life of being a successful mid-major athletic department. When nobody ain't checking for your coaches you have a problem. We should not only accept it, we should absolutely embrace it. It means we're attracting and hiring the right people and giving them the right support. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 9:13:43 GMT -5
To be clear, the $325 was Coach Ross' salary as of 03/31/2022. I stand corrected, my source was $225K last checked. Raises are nice! Especially when its $100K I was shocked to see it as well. However, Coach Ross definitely earned it and it definitely shows Earl Hilton is willing to fight the school to pay these coaches in order to field winning programs. |
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Post by A&T-roy on May 25, 2022 10:00:30 GMT -5
Our new coach will come into a program that:
- Is well known
- Has some excellent athletes already (for whichever ones that stay)
- Has some excellent athletes coming in (for whichever ones that still come)
- Has a couple home meets already set up
- Looks like it has quite a bit of support from the university
- Hosts one or more meets from outside organizations (NC High School ships, etc.)
- A world class/new-ish track
- What some believe to be an excellent overall facility for track & field
- An excellent overall campus
- Etc.
Let's go!
#GlassHalfFull
#ActuallyMoreThanThat
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Post by aggiestats on May 25, 2022 10:23:55 GMT -5
Thank you Coach Ross for your service! We can reduce the salary and increase the number of coaches to add some distance expertise. We have a world class facility, recruiting budget, and a more than competitive salary.
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Post by Bornthrilla on May 25, 2022 10:32:25 GMT -5
We can reduce the salary and increase the number of coaches to add some distance expertise. We have a world class facility, recruiting budget, and a more than competitive salary. That is the model we should follow for every sport. |
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