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Post by Bornthrilla on Feb 1, 2022 18:18:12 GMT -5
That is called a nothing burger.
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Post by Maxell on Feb 1, 2022 19:06:30 GMT -5
During all of the realignment, which twitter pundit has been the most accurate in their predictions? Who predicted the Hampton move the earliest?
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Post by Aggie One on Feb 1, 2022 21:05:04 GMT -5
That is called a nothing burger. Given what has transpired over the last 3 weeks, I wouldn't be so quick to be dismissive of that notion. I think the interesting part is that the NCAA is in the midst re-writing its constitution along with a lot of the divisional qualification mile markers that will directly impact the Power 5, the rest of D-1 and FCS conferences and even D-2 to a far lesser extent. There have been proposals stemming from all this conference realignment for either the changing the FCS membership numbers for automatic qualifiers with a grandfather clause to expanding the FCS playoffs up to 30 teams and dropping the minimum numbers altogether. We won't know for sure about anything until later this summer when the convention is held so any immediate moves by us, Howard, or anyone else at this point is moot until we see what comes out of those NCAA summer meetings and subsequent votes.
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Post by aggieclt on Feb 2, 2022 11:54:25 GMT -5
Am I the only one with the opinion that we are good where we are in the Big South? As it relates to football, the reduction of teams in the conference gives more flexibility to schedule HBCU's, right?
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Post by aggie94 on Feb 2, 2022 12:19:14 GMT -5
Am I the only one with the opinion that we are good where we are in the Big South? As it relates to football, the reduction of teams in the conference gives more flexibility to schedule HBCU's, right? Because of the fact we no longer have a path to the CB with our current conference affiliation, membership in Big South is a problem unless they can comfortably bring in two to three more programs with football. Scheduling more games with HBCU'S is great but with an AQ for the playoffs what is the point?
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Post by 82hawk on Feb 3, 2022 5:17:09 GMT -5
UNCW fan and alum here. With all the smoke around adding A&T and Howard i've been poking around your board and wanted to provide some insight on the vision of the CAA.
CAA is going to a North/South divisional setup. Likely going to 16 teams(8 in each division) so all teams except basketball will only play games in their division, and basketball would only play two teams from the other divsion yearly. CAA football and CAA full member schools are different. UNCW doesn't have football, so i'll focus on basketball and all other sports.
Add A&T and Howard and here's where we are for all non football sports. Towson and Howard will be in the same division and the schools we add in addition to them will determine if those two schools are in the north or south division. It's common knowledge they would want to be in the north division, so here is the likley setup for a N/S CAA division and some possible additions to make it happen.
South - Hampton, W&M, NC A&T, Elon, UNCW, College of Charleston +2(Campbell + UNCG or High Point). North - Stony Brook, Hofstra, NU, Drexel, Monmouth, Delaware, Howard, Towson
I know that UNCG is the number one target to bring on as a non football school(we need to add one non football school). High Point and Campbell are my thoughts on other additions that are likely interested in the CAA and this divisional arrangement, with High Point replacing UNCG if they balk. These schools, in these divisions, would accomplish many things for the conference and the schools.
1. Travel. The CAA has had a travel issue(thus a cost issue) for a long time. It's made it difficult to recruit new schools, especially in the South. This south division setup means the longest distance by bus is about 6 hours from Hampton to Charleston. But with a Piedmont/NC centric conference, this south division becomes a bus league with most travel at under 4 hours. For the schools near the Piedmont, it's an Uber trip.
2. Rivalries - Not on the same level as Duke/UNC/NCSU, but the synergy of UNCG, A&T, Elon and Campbell centered around the third largest city of Greensboro could be a game changer for the conference and the schools. Easy travel for students, alumni and fans to pack both home and away games would make for some incredible game time atmospheres. Add in UNCW fans that live in the Piedmont and Triangle areas and the relatively short drive from Wilmington, and it's even better.
3. Tournaments - Greensboro is an ideal location for multiple CAA athletic tournaments. When the CAA was at it's peak the basketball tournament in Richmond had an insane atmosphere. VCU was located in Richmond so it was literally a home tournament. But William and Mary, JMU, ODU, George Mason were all within an easy driving distance, so fans and students could come for the day without the cost of hotel rooms. Greensboro is within 4.5 hours of both DC and Charleston, so nine schools are within easy driving distance if tournaments were held in Greensboro.
4. Academics and student recruting - Yes, this is an athletice conference, but never forget Chancellors make these decisions. Associations with peers or aspirational schools, and recruiting students, is at the top of their list when it comes to conference affiliation. Charleston and Elon specifically joined the CAA to have better access to students up north. UNCW likes being associated with the academic caliber of the schools in the CAA which are pretty impressive.
If the CAA could bring on Howard and NC A&T, then add UNCG and Campbell, this would be a conference and divisional setup school administrators, student athletes and coaches would like based on travel and budget concerns, and a setup that works for fans.
With this type of vision for the CAA laid out, curious how the NC A&T supporters would feel about it?
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Post by VA's Finest on Feb 3, 2022 5:32:01 GMT -5
UNCW fan and alum here. With all the smoke around adding A&T and Howard i've been poking around your board and wanted to provide some insight on the vision of the CAA. CAA is going to a North/South divisional setup. Likely going to 16 teams(8 in each division) so all teams except basketball will only play games in their division, and basketball would only play two teams from the other divsion yearly. CAA football and CAA full member schools are different. UNCW doesn't have football, so i'll focus on basketball and all other sports. Add A&T and Howard and here's where we are for all non football sports. Towson and Howard will be in the same division and the schools we add in addition to them will determine if those two schools are in the north or south division. It's common knowledge they would want to be in the north division, so here is the likley setup for a N/S CAA division and some possible additions to make it happen. South - Hampton, W&M, NC A&T, Elon, UNCW, College of Charleston +2(Campbell + UNCG or High Point). North - Stony Brook, Hofstra, NU, Drexel, Monmouth, Delaware, Howard, Towson I know that UNCG is the number one target to bring on as a non football school(we need to add one non football school). High Point and Campbell are my thoughts on other additions that are likely interested in the CAA and this divisional arrangement, with High Point replacing UNCG if they balk. These schools, in these divisions, would accomplish many things for the conference and the schools. 1. Travel. The CAA has had a travel issue(thus a cost issue) for a long time. It's made it difficult to recruit new schools, especially in the South. This south division setup means the longest distance by bus is about 6 hours from Hampton to Charleston. But with a Piedmont/NC centric conference, this south division becomes a bus league with most travel at under 4 hours. For the schools near the Piedmont, it's an Uber trip. 2. Rivalries - Not on the same level as Duke/UNC/NCSU, but the synergy of UNCG, A&T, Elon and Campbell centered around the third largest city of Greensboro could be a game changer for the conference and the schools. Easy travel for students, alumni and fans to pack both home and away games would make for some incredible game time atmospheres. Add in UNCW fans that live in the Piedmont and Triangle areas and the relatively short drive from Wilmington, and it's even better. 3. Tournaments - Greensboro is an ideal location for multiple CAA athletic tournaments. When the CAA was at it's peak the basketball tournament in Richmond had an insane atmosphere. VCU was located in Richmond so it was literally a home tournament. But William and Mary, JMU, ODU, George Mason were all within an easy driving distance, so fans and students could come for the day without the cost of hotel rooms. Greensboro is within 4.5 hours of both DC and Charleston, so nine schools are within easy driving distance if tournaments were held in Greensboro. 4. Academics and student recruting - Yes, this is an athletice conference, but never forget Chancellors make these decisions. Associations with peers or aspirational schools, and recruiting students, is at the top of their list when it comes to conference affiliation. Charleston and Elon specifically joined the CAA to have better access to students up north. UNCW likes being associated with the academic caliber of the schools in the CAA which are pretty impressive. If the CAA could bring on Howard and NC A&T, then add UNCG and Campbell, this would be a conference and divisional setup school administrators, student athletes and coaches would like based on travel and budget concerns, and a setup that works for fans. With this type of vision for the CAA laid out, curious how the NC A&T supporters would feel about it? Interesting
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Post by aggie2039 on Feb 3, 2022 7:44:44 GMT -5
UNCW fan and alum here. With all the smoke around adding A&T and Howard i've been poking around your board and wanted to provide some insight on the vision of the CAA. CAA is going to a North/South divisional setup. Likely going to 16 teams(8 in each division) so all teams except basketball will only play games in their division, and basketball would only play two teams from the other divsion yearly. CAA football and CAA full member schools are different. UNCW doesn't have football, so i'll focus on basketball and all other sports. Add A&T and Howard and here's where we are for all non football sports. Towson and Howard will be in the same division and the schools we add in addition to them will determine if those two schools are in the north or south division. It's common knowledge they would want to be in the north division, so here is the likley setup for a N/S CAA division and some possible additions to make it happen. South - Hampton, W&M, NC A&T, Elon, UNCW, College of Charleston +2(Campbell + UNCG or High Point). North - Stony Brook, Hofstra, NU, Drexel, Monmouth, Delaware, Howard, Towson I know that UNCG is the number one target to bring on as a non football school(we need to add one non football school). High Point and Campbell are my thoughts on other additions that are likely interested in the CAA and this divisional arrangement, with High Point replacing UNCG if they balk. These schools, in these divisions, would accomplish many things for the conference and the schools. 1. Travel. The CAA has had a travel issue(thus a cost issue) for a long time. It's made it difficult to recruit new schools, especially in the South. This south division setup means the longest distance by bus is about 6 hours from Hampton to Charleston. But with a Piedmont/NC centric conference, this south division becomes a bus league with most travel at under 4 hours. For the schools near the Piedmont, it's an Uber trip. 2. Rivalries - Not on the same level as Duke/UNC/NCSU, but the synergy of UNCG, A&T, Elon and Campbell centered around the third largest city of Greensboro could be a game changer for the conference and the schools. Easy travel for students, alumni and fans to pack both home and away games would make for some incredible game time atmospheres. Add in UNCW fans that live in the Piedmont and Triangle areas and the relatively short drive from Wilmington, and it's even better. 3. Tournaments - Greensboro is an ideal location for multiple CAA athletic tournaments. When the CAA was at it's peak the basketball tournament in Richmond had an insane atmosphere. VCU was located in Richmond so it was literally a home tournament. But William and Mary, JMU, ODU, George Mason were all within an easy driving distance, so fans and students could come for the day without the cost of hotel rooms. Greensboro is within 4.5 hours of both DC and Charleston, so nine schools are within easy driving distance if tournaments were held in Greensboro. 4. Academics and student recruting - Yes, this is an athletice conference, but never forget Chancellors make these decisions. Associations with peers or aspirational schools, and recruiting students, is at the top of their list when it comes to conference affiliation. Charleston and Elon specifically joined the CAA to have better access to students up north. UNCW likes being associated with the academic caliber of the schools in the CAA which are pretty impressive. If the CAA could bring on Howard and NC A&T, then add UNCG and Campbell, this would be a conference and divisional setup school administrators, student athletes and coaches would like based on travel and budget concerns, and a setup that works for fans. With this type of vision for the CAA laid out, curious how the NC A&T supporters would feel about it? How as UNCW benefited from being in the CAA? Were you guys ever members of the BSC? If so, why did you all leave? If the CAA added UNCG or HP I would be for the move, other than that the BSC saves a lot of time and money, from a student welfare perspective it can’t be beat.
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Post by bluehaze on Feb 3, 2022 8:23:44 GMT -5
UNCW fan and alum here. With all the smoke around adding A&T and Howard i've been poking around your board and wanted to provide some insight on the vision of the CAA. CAA is going to a North/South divisional setup. Likely going to 16 teams(8 in each division) so all teams except basketball will only play games in their division, and basketball would only play two teams from the other divsion yearly. CAA football and CAA full member schools are different. UNCW doesn't have football, so i'll focus on basketball and all other sports. Add A&T and Howard and here's where we are for all non football sports. Towson and Howard will be in the same division and the schools we add in addition to them will determine if those two schools are in the north or south division. It's common knowledge they would want to be in the north division, so here is the likley setup for a N/S CAA division and some possible additions to make it happen. South - Hampton, W&M, NC A&T, Elon, UNCW, College of Charleston +2(Campbell + UNCG or High Point). North - Stony Brook, Hofstra, NU, Drexel, Monmouth, Delaware, Howard, Towson I know that UNCG is the number one target to bring on as a non football school(we need to add one non football school). High Point and Campbell are my thoughts on other additions that are likely interested in the CAA and this divisional arrangement, with High Point replacing UNCG if they balk. These schools, in these divisions, would accomplish many things for the conference and the schools. 1. Travel. The CAA has had a travel issue(thus a cost issue) for a long time. It's made it difficult to recruit new schools, especially in the South. This south division setup means the longest distance by bus is about 6 hours from Hampton to Charleston. But with a Piedmont/NC centric conference, this south division becomes a bus league with most travel at under 4 hours. For the schools near the Piedmont, it's an Uber trip. 2. Rivalries - Not on the same level as Duke/UNC/NCSU, but the synergy of UNCG, A&T, Elon and Campbell centered around the third largest city of Greensboro could be a game changer for the conference and the schools. Easy travel for students, alumni and fans to pack both home and away games would make for some incredible game time atmospheres. Add in UNCW fans that live in the Piedmont and Triangle areas and the relatively short drive from Wilmington, and it's even better. 3. Tournaments - Greensboro is an ideal location for multiple CAA athletic tournaments. When the CAA was at it's peak the basketball tournament in Richmond had an insane atmosphere. VCU was located in Richmond so it was literally a home tournament. But William and Mary, JMU, ODU, George Mason were all within an easy driving distance, so fans and students could come for the day without the cost of hotel rooms. Greensboro is within 4.5 hours of both DC and Charleston, so nine schools are within easy driving distance if tournaments were held in Greensboro. 4. Academics and student recruting - Yes, this is an athletice conference, but never forget Chancellors make these decisions. Associations with peers or aspirational schools, and recruiting students, is at the top of their list when it comes to conference affiliation. Charleston and Elon specifically joined the CAA to have better access to students up north. UNCW likes being associated with the academic caliber of the schools in the CAA which are pretty impressive. If the CAA could bring on Howard and NC A&T, then add UNCG and Campbell, this would be a conference and divisional setup school administrators, student athletes and coaches would like based on travel and budget concerns, and a setup that works for fans. With this type of vision for the CAA laid out, curious how the NC A&T supporters would feel about it? Thank you for your analysis and perspective. I’m sure those factors are being taken into account heavily by the administration. In your scenario I like our position in the south.
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Post by DOOMS on Feb 3, 2022 8:56:34 GMT -5
I know UNCW doesn't have football, but we do and that north/south alignment scenario left out a lot of the CAA football schools. How does that work?
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Post by 82hawk on Feb 3, 2022 9:30:12 GMT -5
To hit a couple questions at once about the CAA, football, and UNCW
The southernmost schools that have football In this scenario would be Campbell, A&T, Elon, William and Mary, Hampton, Howard, Towson and Richmond.
UNCW has been in the CAA since the mid-80s and is essentially a founding member. So it's hard to say exactly how we've benefited with nothing to compare it to. I do know we have a tremendous amount of out of state applications. Well beyond the average schools in the UNC system. I also believe our affiliation with the CAA has pretty much demanded we up our academic profile. We are consistently ranked one of the top four schools in the UNC system academically.
The CAA football schools have wildly different opinions than I do whenever I discuss CAA football with their fans. So I'm not the best one to dig into that subject.
I do think with the right additions along with A&T it would be a win-win for all the schools and conference. I know I would love to see A&T join us in the CAA in a southern division. But I'm greedy, and want UNCG and Campbell as part of that equation. Although high point wouldn't be bad either
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Post by aggieclt on Feb 4, 2022 15:56:05 GMT -5
Well dang... America East bans Stony Brook Seawolves from conference tournamentsThe America East announced Wednesday that the school is ineligible for conference postseason tournaments because it's leaving for the Colonial Athletic Association next year. Stony Brook said last week that it was leaving the America East. In the America East bylaws, a member institution's intention to withdraw from the conference makes that school's sports teams ineligible to compete in the league's postseason play, "on a date to be determined by the remaining members of the Board of Presidents." For the rest of the story: www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33201840/america-east-bans-stony-brook-conference-tournaments
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Post by A&T-roy on Feb 4, 2022 17:58:51 GMT -5
UNCW fan and alum here. With all the smoke around adding A&T and Howard i've been poking around your board and wanted to provide some insight on the vision of the CAA. CAA is going to a North/South divisional setup. Likely going to 16 teams(8 in each division) so all teams except basketball will only play games in their division, and basketball would only play two teams from the other divsion yearly. CAA football and CAA full member schools are different. UNCW doesn't have football, so i'll focus on basketball and all other sports. Add A&T and Howard and here's where we are for all non football sports. Towson and Howard will be in the same division and the schools we add in addition to them will determine if those two schools are in the north or south division. It's common knowledge they would want to be in the north division, so here is the likley setup for a N/S CAA division and some possible additions to make it happen. South - Hampton, W&M, NC A&T, Elon, UNCW, College of Charleston +2(Campbell + UNCG or High Point). North - Stony Brook, Hofstra, NU, Drexel, Monmouth, Delaware, Howard, Towson I know that UNCG is the number one target to bring on as a non football school(we need to add one non football school). High Point and Campbell are my thoughts on other additions that are likely interested in the CAA and this divisional arrangement, with High Point replacing UNCG if they balk. These schools, in these divisions, would accomplish many things for the conference and the schools. 1. Travel. The CAA has had a travel issue(thus a cost issue) for a long time. It's made it difficult to recruit new schools, especially in the South. This south division setup means the longest distance by bus is about 6 hours from Hampton to Charleston. But with a Piedmont/NC centric conference, this south division becomes a bus league with most travel at under 4 hours. For the schools near the Piedmont, it's an Uber trip. 2. Rivalries - Not on the same level as Duke/UNC/NCSU, but the synergy of UNCG, A&T, Elon and Campbell centered around the third largest city of Greensboro could be a game changer for the conference and the schools. Easy travel for students, alumni and fans to pack both home and away games would make for some incredible game time atmospheres. Add in UNCW fans that live in the Piedmont and Triangle areas and the relatively short drive from Wilmington, and it's even better. 3. Tournaments - Greensboro is an ideal location for multiple CAA athletic tournaments. When the CAA was at it's peak the basketball tournament in Richmond had an insane atmosphere. VCU was located in Richmond so it was literally a home tournament. But William and Mary, JMU, ODU, George Mason were all within an easy driving distance, so fans and students could come for the day without the cost of hotel rooms. Greensboro is within 4.5 hours of both DC and Charleston, so nine schools are within easy driving distance if tournaments were held in Greensboro. 4. Academics and student recruting - Yes, this is an athletice conference, but never forget Chancellors make these decisions. Associations with peers or aspirational schools, and recruiting students, is at the top of their list when it comes to conference affiliation. Charleston and Elon specifically joined the CAA to have better access to students up north. UNCW likes being associated with the academic caliber of the schools in the CAA which are pretty impressive. If the CAA could bring on Howard and NC A&T, then add UNCG and Campbell, this would be a conference and divisional setup school administrators, student athletes and coaches would like based on travel and budget concerns, and a setup that works for fans. With this type of vision for the CAA laid out, curious how the NC A&T supporters would feel about it? I talked to another Aggie and we're good with it as long as the Southern football division included Howard so we could play them every year. Campbell in the Southern division would be better than Towson or any of the other Northern schools. A&T Elon Richmond Hampton W&M Howard Towson/Campbell
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Post by Maxell on Feb 4, 2022 20:05:32 GMT -5
So which would you prefer? and why?
1)a Big South with Norfolk and SCSU 2)a CAA with Elon, Howard, and Hampton 3)a straight move back to the new MEAC 4)a Big South/MEAC merger 5)a Big South/ASUN football agreement
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Post by aggie94 on Feb 4, 2022 20:07:45 GMT -5
So which would you prefer? 1)A Big South with Norfolk and SCSU or 2)a CAA with Elon, Howard, and Hampton or 3)a straight move back to the new MEAC? Choice 1 followed by 3 and then 1
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