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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 10, 2021 20:24:17 GMT -5
Disloyalty is when you pull a conference switch surreptitiously without even the thought of the preferences and concerns of the fans. alumni, students and stakeholders. Wow.
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Post by A&T-roy on Dec 10, 2021 20:30:57 GMT -5
BDV should stop watching the hiring of these other coaches and getting jealous of it all. Jealousy and envy aren't good to have on one's spirit. On the other hand, it's okay to express displeasure with the results from the now previous season and let the school know that you expect to see better results next year. We're Aggies at the end of the day. We (typically) achieve great goals in everything Aggies do as the school produces renowned individuals dedicated to excellence. So it's understandable why expectations are high. We just have to be realistic regarding our high expectations. We should also ask if there's anything that the program needs that we can financially support in order to help see better results. This is not about resources, the losses and dysfunction are coaching issues starting and ending with Washington. If he had an extra $1M the players would have still tried to fight GW players at their bus. The AD would have still had to come on the field at CSU to stop our players from getting into it with the opposing team He would have still played an injured running back We would have still led the league in penalties aggie2039 - That's lot of to say (confidence) you know would happen even though he would have had an extra $1M
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Post by A&T-roy on Dec 10, 2021 20:34:03 GMT -5
I am not disloyal but also realistic. A confluence of things happened that turned this year into a lost season. We had lesser talent than the hype made us believe and we had injuries and players that for whatever reason simply did not perform. Martin was expected to be a POY candidate and be the catalyst for our offense, he was hurt and ineffective. Zach Leslie was a nonfactor and was our best wideout. Most importantly, the QB simply was not that good, he was slow with his reads and made mistakes at critical junctures (like the pick against Monmouth late in the 3rd quarter). Lastly, our secondary was horrible, and every team exploited that. We were slow as a team. It was evident in the Furman game when their TE took a short crossing route 87 yards to the house. I don't think the weight room was our problem it was team speed. In fact, we probably played Kennesaw State tougher than anyone in the Big South (they smashed everyone else by 3-4 touchdowns. including Monmouth) Our fanbase was spoiled because we had better players like Cohen, Parker, Bell, Raynard, Ghardin, Carter, Johnson. McCain. Unfortunately, most programs not named Alabama go through cycles where the talent base catches up. Unless we can recruit better players this is the tip of the iceberg. So we need to hope the unfounded theory of the BS move as a positive for recruitment is true! Disloyalty is when you pull a conference switch surreptitiously without even the thought of the preferences and concerns of the fans. alumni, students and stakeholders. I have other issues with your comments but most importantly, are you serious here? without even the thought of the preferences and concerns of the fans. alumni, students and stakeholders.
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Post by A&T-roy on Dec 10, 2021 20:44:06 GMT -5
Yes, SOME (maybe MANY) fans are unappreciative and disloyal.
They jump ship at the 1st sign of adversity, want people fired, etc. without knowing/understanding much of anything.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 10, 2021 22:41:26 GMT -5
some folk don’t believe in “loyalty”, they don’t care about who has helped them in the past. that’s why some bdv posters readily abandoned a 50 year relationship with the very same institutions that helped a&t athletics become what it is today. same goes for our head football coach. we’ve got bdv posters who do not appreciate the accomplishments of our head football coach since he took over for coach broadway, not to mention his long time services as our defensive coordinator. they’re willing to “instantaneously” cut ties with a “2 time” bcf national championship coach just because he came up 1 game short of having a winning season this year. i mean, how would you feel if you performed your job at the “highest level” possible ever since you were hired but got fired for essentially doing an “average” job for the first time ever? to me the appropriate response would be to “not panic” and give our coach the respect he deserves to right the ship next season. its the honorable thing to do and our coach “should not” be on the hot seat. our ad should sit down with our head coach (as he probably does after every season) to discuss what we could’ve done better this season and how we will address those issues going forward.we should welcome our head coach back with “open arms” next season but with the expectation that the issues we had this season will drastically improve... average? C'mon OSA 45% ain't average. The thing I will agree with you is the AD/Coach sit down. In line with your corporate analogy. As a 40 year veteran of the corporate wars. A corrective action plan is generally the practice put in place to monitor an employee's slip in expected performance. It's imperative for the AD and HC to establish goals and expectations on each other's part. Of the many things involved in leading D1 football program one or two things shouldn't result in dismal, however somethings carry more weight than others. Regarding unappreciative and disloyal. I think our frustration is what we see. I'm sure this frustration isn't limited to us fans. We can't catch, throw, kick, tackle, shoot, defend or coach. It's just that we can only express it with words, and sometimes . . . well, i consider a 5-6 season an "average" performance. and my characterization of "unappreciative and disloyal" refers to those who have called for the firing of our head coach. not those who only expressed their displeasure with the team's performance because i'm personally a member of that group. i'm referring to those who feel our head coach should be fired and replaced. when i characterize posters as "unappreciative and disloyal", i am only referring to those who call for coach wash to be "fired"...
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 10, 2021 22:43:28 GMT -5
How many years would you give Coach Washington to get things turned around?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 10, 2021 22:45:09 GMT -5
some folk don’t believe in “loyalty”, they don’t care about who has helped them in the past. that’s why some bdv posters readily abandoned a 50 year relationship with the very same institutions that helped a&t athletics become what it is today. same goes for our head football coach. we’ve got bdv posters who do not appreciate the accomplishments of our head football coach since he took over for coach broadway, not to mention his long time services as our defensive coordinator. they’re willing to “instantaneously” cut ties with a “2 time” bcf national championship coach just because he came up 1 game short of having a winning season this year. i mean, how would you feel if you performed your job at the “highest level” possible ever since you were hired but got fired for essentially doing an “average” job for the first time ever? to me the appropriate response would be to “not panic” and give our coach the respect he deserves to right the ship next season. its the honorable thing to do and our coach “should not” be on the hot seat. our ad should sit down with our head coach (as he probably does after every season) to discuss what we could’ve done better this season and how we will address those issues going forward. we should welcome our head coach back with “open arms” next season but with the expectation that the issues we had this season will drastically improve... I bet the CIAA felt the same when we left for the MEAC no they didn't because we didn't leave the ciaa for a "pwc" conference. its a "slap in the face" to "ALL" hbcu's for a&t to withdraw its support from hbcu's and give it to pwc's. we didn't do that when we left the ciaa for the meac and that's the difference...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 10, 2021 22:52:13 GMT -5
How many years would you give Coach Washington to get things turned around? like i said, if it was up to me i wouldn't predetermine a number of years for coach washington to turn things around. what i would do is meet with him after this season to discuss the direction of the team without "threatening" to fire him but making it clear that we need to improve. then at the end of next season, we'll see where we are at that time. any number of things can happen next season, so i wouldn't predetermine anything. barring a total "collapse" of the team, i'd give him the opportunity to improve our team's performance and then make a decision regarding the direction of our program after next season. what that decision may be, i don't know. but it will be based on next season's performance...
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 10, 2021 23:10:05 GMT -5
Yeah, that is pretty much where I am at.
2022 will be the closing argument in the People vs. Sam Washington.
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Post by Freeze on Dec 10, 2021 23:29:33 GMT -5
Unappreciative and disloyal? Is this a marriage or some fans of a football program? Sheesh. A&T fans ain't different from no other fans. I LOL'ed when I saw the title of this thread. Thrilla you a wild one. Carry on.
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Post by Aggie77 on Dec 10, 2021 23:54:34 GMT -5
How many years would you give Coach Washington to get things turned around? Unfortunately, if it’s true next season is the last year of his contract, it may be tough to get beyond next season if they isn’t at least a winning season. But if HBCU/Celebration titles are automatic contract extenders, then he may have three years left anyway. I think his immediate future is tied less to wins/loses and more to the intangibles (on/off field discipline, grade success, etc). My biggest intangible is how we look in the wins and loses. Next year we will probably have 5 OOC games, hopefully he can get a cupcake. With NCCU 9/3, NDSU 9/10, his cupcake can’t be before 9/17. A money game is probably in the mix and Norfolk 11/5, he has to win 3 and go at least 4-2 in conference. Next year we should have CSU, Hampton Campbell at home, with Monmouth, RMU and GW on the road. 7-4 will be an improvement, but I don’t think 4-2 will win the conference. 7-4 is a job saver. Though in a new conference a lack of improvement will bring great doubt.
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Post by Maxell on Dec 11, 2021 2:06:03 GMT -5
How many years would you give Coach Washington to get things turned around? Unfortunately, if it’s true next season is the last year of his contract, it may be tough to get beyond next season if they isn’t at least a winning season. But if HBCU/Celebration titles are automatic contract extenders, then he may have three years left anyway. I think his immediate future is tied less to wins/loses and more to the intangibles (on/off field discipline, grade success, etc). My biggest intangible is how we look in the wins and loses. Next year we will probably have 5 OOC games, hopefully he can get a cupcake. With NCCU 9/3, NDSU 9/10, his cupcake can’t be before 9/17. A money game is probably in the mix and Norfolk 11/5, he has to win 3 and go at least 4-2 in conference. Next year we should have CSU, Hampton Campbell at home, with Monmouth, RMU and GW on the road. 7-4 will be an improvement, but I don’t think 4-2 will win the conference. 7-4 is a job saver. Though in a new conference a lack of improvement will bring great doubt. 9-2. If this whole thing is about a playoff bid, nothing less will get us there.
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Post by econgrad71 on Dec 11, 2021 7:10:04 GMT -5
Unfortunately, if it’s true next season is the last year of his contract, it may be tough to get beyond next season if they isn’t at least a winning season. But if HBCU/Celebration titles are automatic contract extenders, then he may have three years left anyway. I think his immediate future is tied less to wins/loses and more to the intangibles (on/off field discipline, grade success, etc). My biggest intangible is how we look in the wins and loses.
I totally agree, (My biggest intangible is how we look in the wins and loses.) Mine as well! On (and off) field selling of wolf tickets and out right bullying and other thuggish behavior should not be tolerated. It seems that in our desire to bring in 4- and 5-star athletes we are accepting the good athletes that power schools would never touch, or if they did, these athletes would be playing for long. No self respecting school would field some of the thugs we seem to have. And, I don't recall reading or hearing anyone suggesting that Coach Washington should be fired, at least not right now. However, someone needs to light a fire under his butt. He can't keep "p*ssy footing" around the serious lack of discipline on the time. We really hurt ourselves this year, not with the loses but our on-field demeanor. There are schools we admire and even play sometimes that would never tolerate the crap Washington is putting up with. It's an embarrassment!! Oh, by-the-way, some of the self anoited "big shots" on this board suggests blind loyalty at all cost. To that I say, "hell no"! Coaching is a job. If one cannot perform in the position then yeah, he or she should go. But I know I didn't say or write that our coach should be fired. BLIND LOYALTY!!
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Post by The Professor on Dec 11, 2021 8:12:34 GMT -5
I bet the CIAA felt the same when we left for the MEAC no they didn't because we didn't leave the ciaa for a "pwc" conference. its a "slap in the face" to "ALL" hbcu's for a&t to withdraw its support from hbcu's and give it to pwc's. we didn't do that when we left the ciaa for the meac and that's the difference... So then it should also be a slap in the face when our students leave a HBCU and go work for Fortune 500 companies right? Because they going to work for white people right? Since we have such issues with white people , maybe we shouldn't be on a white owned TV channel , or wear uniforms from a white owned company or take money from white owned businesses. Since we are an HBCU and only should do business with Black people
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Post by aggieforlife on Dec 11, 2021 8:53:41 GMT -5
I dont think Aggie Fans are disloyal but just spoiled we are use to Beating our Chest and Talking that S---T with Wins against Kent State,UNCC, ECU ,App State and Winning GAMES IN Celebration Bowl but we had super Talent players who went to Pros some went to Pro Camps and some played in Canadian and you had seniors that Police the Team like our Center Mack on the 2018 2019 team he was a true leader Coach Broadway enforcer on players BS.We are use to that Beautiful Homecoming Queen but now the Homecoming Queen is Super Fat turn to Big Shirley and Ugly. WE HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER Beautiful Queen in all forms to Coaching Administrators, Talent and Fans to give with their Money shouting Aggie Pride does not pay the Duke Power Bill.
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