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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 24, 2021 12:55:15 GMT -5
Look, from what I've seen, we are a GUARD DOMINATED TEAM. Anybody can post the stats of whatever games he had while at UCF (and they are good). What I'm worried about is will our damn guards even pass the ball to him. They don't pass the ball to Harry. They don't pass the ball to Filmore. The only time our bigs get on the stat sheet is because of what they do on the defensive end.....and if they're fortunate enough to get an offensive rebound and a FG from it.
Our guards are anemic to passing the ball inside.
So everyone is free to post stats of ole dude from UCF......but if our shoot-first guards on the perimeter don't change their behaviors (AND IF OUR COACH DOESN'T INSTILL AN INSIDE-OUT APPROACH), it's gonna be a longazz season of disappointment. The way we play right now is conducive to being in the Big South basketball basement. Make no mistake, we do not play winning basketball. It may be competitive.....BUT NOT WINNING BASKETBALL
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Post by saabman on Nov 24, 2021 13:00:24 GMT -5
What we need is a big who can rebound. Tonight we loss that battle by 20. What do expect when you start 4 Guards against a 7' , 6'11 , 6'9 , 6'4 and 6'8 . Stanford has the tallest team in the NCAA and you only start one Big and you wonder why we are out rebounded . Man come on now .
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 24, 2021 13:26:53 GMT -5
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Post by saabman on Nov 24, 2021 13:44:33 GMT -5
Guess that was on a team that passes the ball to a 6ft 11 guy. We will see with our guards!! I really doubt we'll play a 5-out offense with Collins and Powell especially if they're on the court at the same time. Then why are they playing it now ? Even in 5 out you can work through your Biggs and provide them with touches and options to score. Jones has no idea what to do with his size and Collins and Powell will not change anything. Frankly I am tired of this wait and see attitude that Jones has . Last year wait until next year, this year wait until Powell and Collins hit the floor . When he should be coaching up the Biggs that we have . Also what a player accomplished at his previous School that's not mean that it would transfer with him to A&T because if I'm not mistaken, A&T had a player transfer in that had double digit scoring numbers, how did that work out for A&T ? I my opinion the only thing that makes A&T look halfway decent is the teams that they have faced shoot just as bad as we do .
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Post by Maxell on Nov 24, 2021 14:19:31 GMT -5
Look, from what I've seen, we are a GUARD DOMINATED TEAM. Anybody can post the stats of whatever games he had while at UCF (and they are good). What I'm worried about is will our damn guards even pass the ball to him. They don't pass the ball to Harry. They don't pass the ball to Filmore. The only time our bigs get on the stat sheet is because of what they do on the defensive end.....and if they're fortunate enough to get an offensive rebound and a FG from it. Our guards are anemic to passing the ball inside. So everyone is free to post stats of ole dude from UCF......but if our shoot-first guards on the perimeter don't change their behaviors (AND IF OUR COACH DOESN'T INSTILL AN INSIDE-OUT APPROACH), it's gonna be a longazz season of disappointment. The way we play right now is conducive to being in the Big South basketball basement. Make no mistake, we do not play winning basketball. It may be competitive.....BUT NOT WINNING BASKETBALL I know we had this same conversation last year. Why does no one else see this? Why does Hilton not see this? When I saw that we started 4 guards against Stanford, I said to myself stubbornness is self perpetuating drug. Horton, Beatty, and Watson are essentially the same player. Tyler Maye is the unicorn in that group. None of them can get you rebounds. Without rebounding you can't even run that dumb a$$ style you want to run. Why try to force feed an approach that only works if you have at least two 6-8+ guys that can run the floor and rebound? In retrospect, we don't have the pieces in the front court that he had in 2019. Until you can get that again, change your style and try to win the ball game. I literally had nightmares when I heard 4 guards and Filmore. This is painful. The sad part is it will still be sad even when we win a game or two. We'll actually have a decent conference record this year but it will be like watching SWAC football, horrible to watch. If he is able to recruit a couple of additional front court players we may return to "lob city" in a couple of years but the path won't be pretty. We could win the rest of our games this year, but I officially don't think this style wins championships at the "high mid-major" level" as coach likes to describe it. I was willing to give it a shot after his transition year but it has failed to me. Even this year, Coach gives up on lineups every game. Make a damn decision. Even if he tries sheet, he gives up on it and goes back to that 4-guard crap. Arrrgh!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 14:36:10 GMT -5
Look, from what I've seen, we are a GUARD DOMINATED TEAM. Anybody can post the stats of whatever games he had while at UCF (and they are good). What I'm worried about is will our damn guards even pass the ball to him. They don't pass the ball to Harry. They don't pass the ball to Filmore. The only time our bigs get on the stat sheet is because of what they do on the defensive end.....and if they're fortunate enough to get an offensive rebound and a FG from it. Our guards are anemic to passing the ball inside. So everyone is free to post stats of ole dude from UCF......but if our shoot-first guards on the perimeter don't change their behaviors (AND IF OUR COACH DOESN'T INSTILL AN INSIDE-OUT APPROACH), it's gonna be a longazz season of disappointment. The way we play right now is conducive to being in the Big South basketball basement. Make no mistake, we do not play winning basketball. It may be competitive.....BUT NOT WINNING BASKETBALL I know we had this same conversation last year. Why does no one else see this? Why does Hilton not see this? When I saw that we started 4 guards against Stanford, I said to myself stubbornness is self perpetuating drug. Horton, Beatty, and Watson are essentially the same player. Tyler Maye is the unicorn in that group. None of them can get you rebounds. Without rebounding you can't even run that dumb a$$ style you want to run. Why try to force feed an approach that only works if you have at least two 6-8+ guys that can run the floor and rebound? In retrospect, we don't have the pieces in the front court that he had in 2019. Until you can get that again, change your style and try to win the ball game. I literally had nightmares when I heard 4 guards and Filmore. This is painful. The sad part is it will still be sad even when we win a game or two. We'll actually have a decent conference record this year but it will be like watching SWAC football, horrible to watch. If he is able to recruit a couple of additional front court players we may return to "lob city" in a couple of years but the path won't be pretty. We could win the rest of our games this year, but I officially don't think this style wins championships at the "high mid-major" level" as coach likes to describe it. I was willing to give it a shot after his transition year but it has failed to me. Even this year, Coach gives up on lineups every game. Make a damn decision. Even if he tries sheet, he gives up on it and goes back to that 4-guard crap. Arrrgh!!!! 2020: Covid canceled the tournament 2021: Covid false-positive detailed the team. We haven’t even witness Coach Jones Coach through a single post-season tournament. It would be asinine to fire a coach over OOC play and what y’all perceive as bad coaching and poor offensive and defensive style. He also won a division title during this run everyone and makes less than $200K as the Head Coach before incentives are added. He ain’t going anywhere pending one epic collapse or punching a player during practice.
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Post by saabman on Nov 24, 2021 15:46:15 GMT -5
I know we had this same conversation last year. Why does no one else see this? Why does Hilton not see this? When I saw that we started 4 guards against Stanford, I said to myself stubbornness is self perpetuating drug. Horton, Beatty, and Watson are essentially the same player. Tyler Maye is the unicorn in that group. None of them can get you rebounds. Without rebounding you can't even run that dumb a$$ style you want to run. Why try to force feed an approach that only works if you have at least two 6-8+ guys that can run the floor and rebound? In retrospect, we don't have the pieces in the front court that he had in 2019. Until you can get that again, change your style and try to win the ball game. I literally had nightmares when I heard 4 guards and Filmore. This is painful. The sad part is it will still be sad even when we win a game or two. We'll actually have a decent conference record this year but it will be like watching SWAC football, horrible to watch. If he is able to recruit a couple of additional front court players we may return to "lob city" in a couple of years but the path won't be pretty. We could win the rest of our games this year, but I officially don't think this style wins championships at the "high mid-major" level" as coach likes to describe it. I was willing to give it a shot after his transition year but it has failed to me. Even this year, Coach gives up on lineups every game. Make a damn decision. Even if he tries sheet, he gives up on it and goes back to that 4-guard crap. Arrrgh!!!! 2020: Covid canceled the tournament 2021: Covid false-positive detailed the team. We haven’t even witness Coach Jones Coach through a single post-season tournament. It would be asinine to fire a coach over OOC play and what y’all perceive as bad coaching and poor offensive and defensive style. He also won a division title during this run everyone and makes less than $200K as the Head Coach before incentives are added. He ain’t going anywhere pending one epic collapse or punching a player during practice. Who said anything about Firing Jones ? What is asinine is driving down a dead-end road and thinking you going somewhere and not having the common sense to turn around and redirect your route , and waiting for someone to point you in the right direction . All games count out of conference or in . If this team continues to play and execute this way , what makes you think they are going to change there playing style when it comes to conference play ? Jones wants a high flying Lob City form of entertainment instead of a efficient disciplined executing team . Shoot first pass less should be this teams motto . How many times did you see Harry or Filmore open inside the paint and not even touch the ball until they moved high . Do you honestly think A&T can win the Big S****it playing this style of ball ? I Don't.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 15:49:57 GMT -5
2020: Covid canceled the tournament 2021: Covid false-positive detailed the team. We haven’t even witness Coach Jones Coach through a single post-season tournament. It would be asinine to fire a coach over OOC play and what y’all perceive as bad coaching and poor offensive and defensive style. He also won a division title during this run everyone and makes less than $200K as the Head Coach before incentives are added. He ain’t going anywhere pending one epic collapse or punching a player during practice. Who said anything about Firing Jones ? What is asinine is driving down a dead-end road and thinking you going somewhere and not having the common sense to turn around and redirect your route , and waiting for someone to point you in the right direction . All games count out of conference or in . If this team continues to play and execute this way , what makes you think they are going to change there playing style when it comes to conference play ? Jones wants a high flying Lob City form of entertainment instead of a efficient disciplined executing team . Shoot first pass less should be this teams motto . How many times did you see Harry or Filmore open inside the paint and not even touch the ball until they moved high . Do you honestly think A&T can win the Big S****it playing this style of ball ? I Don't. Umm... A lot of y'all were complaining about Coach Jones yet he won a division title. Let the coach do what he does without hinting he needs to go regardless of what happens this year.
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Post by Maxell on Nov 24, 2021 15:50:27 GMT -5
I know we had this same conversation last year. Why does no one else see this? Why does Hilton not see this? When I saw that we started 4 guards against Stanford, I said to myself stubbornness is self perpetuating drug. Horton, Beatty, and Watson are essentially the same player. Tyler Maye is the unicorn in that group. None of them can get you rebounds. Without rebounding you can't even run that dumb a$$ style you want to run. Why try to force feed an approach that only works if you have at least two 6-8+ guys that can run the floor and rebound? In retrospect, we don't have the pieces in the front court that he had in 2019. Until you can get that again, change your style and try to win the ball game. I literally had nightmares when I heard 4 guards and Filmore. This is painful. The sad part is it will still be sad even when we win a game or two. We'll actually have a decent conference record this year but it will be like watching SWAC football, horrible to watch. If he is able to recruit a couple of additional front court players we may return to "lob city" in a couple of years but the path won't be pretty. We could win the rest of our games this year, but I officially don't think this style wins championships at the "high mid-major" level" as coach likes to describe it. I was willing to give it a shot after his transition year but it has failed to me. Even this year, Coach gives up on lineups every game. Make a damn decision. Even if he tries sheet, he gives up on it and goes back to that 4-guard crap. Arrrgh!!!! 2020: Covid canceled the tournament 2021: Covid false-positive detailed the team. We haven’t even witness Coach Jones Coach through a single post-season tournament. It would be asinine to fire a coach over OOC play and what y’all perceive as bad coaching and poor offensive and defensive style. He also won a division title during this run everyone and makes less than $200K as the Head Coach before incentives are added. He ain’t going anywhere pending one epic collapse or punching a player during practice. No one on the board has implied he be fired, YOU went there not me. This is only his first full season as a head coach. I'm just talking about his approach to the game and the results so far. Geesh!
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 24, 2021 15:51:26 GMT -5
Who said anything about Firing Jones ? What is asinine is driving down a dead-end road and thinking you going somewhere and not having the common sense to turn around and redirect your route , and waiting for someone to point you in the right direction . All games count out of conference or in . If this team continues to play and execute this way , what makes you think they are going to change there playing style when it comes to conference play ? Jones wants a high flying Lob City form of entertainment instead of a efficient disciplined executing team . Shoot first pass less should be this teams motto . How many times did you see Harry or Filmore open inside the paint and not even touch the ball until they moved high . Do you honestly think A&T can win the Big S****it playing this style of ball ? I Don't. Umm... A lot of y'all were complaining about Coach Jones yet he won a division title. Let the coach do what he does without hinting he needs to go regardless of what happens this year. He won a division of 4 teams? That is something to be impressed about….not!
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 24, 2021 15:52:20 GMT -5
The issue is that some supporters really have low expectations! And make excuses for everything
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Post by VA's Finest on Nov 24, 2021 15:55:00 GMT -5
I have to admit we DO NOT raise banners for division titles of a condensed, truncated season.
I'm sorry but we are above that.
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Post by A&T-roy on Nov 24, 2021 16:06:27 GMT -5
2020: Covid canceled the tournament 2021: Covid false-positive detailed the team. We haven’t even witness Coach Jones Coach through a single post-season tournament. It would be asinine to fire a coach over OOC play and what y’all perceive as bad coaching and poor offensive and defensive style. He also won a division title during this run everyone and makes less than $200K as the Head Coach before incentives are added. He ain’t going anywhere pending one epic collapse or punching a player during practice. Who said anything about Firing Jones ? What is asinine is driving down a dead-end road and thinking you going somewhere and not having the common sense to turn around and redirect your route , and waiting for someone to point you in the right direction . All games count out of conference or in . If this team continues to play and execute this way , what makes you think they are going to change there playing style when it comes to conference play ? Jones wants a high flying Lob City form of entertainment instead of a efficient disciplined executing team . Shoot first pass less should be this teams motto . How many times did you see Harry or Filmore open inside the paint and not even touch the ball until they moved high . Do you honestly think A&T can win the Big S****it playing this style of ball ? I Don't. 4 things: 1. Unfortunately, I believe they know that Harry & Webster are not very good as post players. I, definitely, see that Harry is not by how he holds the ball and goes for his post shot when he gets one. Webster also hasn't shown much in offensive post play but is pretty good at close to the rim stuff. Again, my point is that neither of them has shown enough in PRACTICE to waste much shot clock time and possessions in games. A. From what I've seen and heard (UCF teammates), Collin Smith is a legitimate post player and I expect coach to use him that way. iii. Don't know about Powell posting but hope he can and can be effective. If so, I expect they'll feed him the ball too. Four: What game were y'all watching last night? We were within 4 pts around mid 2nd half. I expect Stanford would have really run us out of the gym if we had tried to run more than 2 bigs at a time. Looked to me like the strategy was to be able to move/switch quickly and drive them to the edges and corners. Also to try to use our speed to get shots. The issue I saw was we lost patience after the 2nd half 10 min mark and started trying to go one on one with few results.
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Post by TOPPDOGG on Nov 24, 2021 16:25:59 GMT -5
I’m impressed that y’all were able to stay up that late. I was dead to the bed before halftime.
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Post by saabman on Nov 24, 2021 17:01:13 GMT -5
Who said anything about Firing Jones ? What is asinine is driving down a dead-end road and thinking you going somewhere and not having the common sense to turn around and redirect your route , and waiting for someone to point you in the right direction . All games count out of conference or in . If this team continues to play and execute this way , what makes you think they are going to change there playing style when it comes to conference play ? Jones wants a high flying Lob City form of entertainment instead of a efficient disciplined executing team . Shoot first pass less should be this teams motto . How many times did you see Harry or Filmore open inside the paint and not even touch the ball until they moved high . Do you honestly think A&T can win the Big S****it playing this style of ball ? I Don't. 4 things: 1. Unfortunately, I believe they know that Harry & Webster are not very good as post players. I, definitely, see that Harry is not by how he holds the ball and goes for his post shot when he gets one. Webster also hasn't shown much in offensive post play but is pretty good at close to the rim stuff. Again, my point is that neither of them has shown enough in PRACTICE to waste much shot clock time and possessions in games. A. From what I've seen and heard (UCF teammates), Collin Smith is a legitimate post player and I expect coach to use him that way. iii. Don't know about Powell posting but hope he can and can be effective. If so, I expect they'll feed him the ball too. Four: What game were y'all watching last night? We were within 4 pts around mid 2nd half. I expect Stanford would have really run us out of the gym if we had tried to run more than 2 bigs at a time. Looked to me like the strategy was to be able to move/switch quickly and drive them to the edges and corners. Also to try to use our speed to get shots. The issue I saw was we lost patience after the 2nd half 10 min mark and started trying to go one on one with few results. Roy I have to disagree about Harry and Filmore because for one Harry is a better 3 point shooter then most of our guards , and a much better shooter then the 7' . But yet even when he is on the edge open he doesn't get the ball , but the 7' dose 😉 I don't make excuses for the obvious , and the obvious is Jones has no idea or knowledge as to how too not only coach but effectively use his big men . Jones wants a ready made TV Dinner Big . All you stated above could and should be fixed with proper technique Coaching, but you never see the ball in the paint to the bigs enough unless it's a rebound and put back is the only offensive touches that Harry and Filmore see . The only reason we were in that game was that Stanford shooting percentage is almost just as bad as A&T's . And people continue to wonder why we can't rebound effectively. Come on Roy this waiting until this or that player is on the floor to be our save yours is getting old , at least for me .
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