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Post by Aggie77 on Oct 18, 2021 20:54:32 GMT -5
This just a list off the top of my head. Obviously, HBCUs will have to do more than just be HBCUs for the current generation. Expecting this trend to reverse is at your own peril. Some of these numbers are absolutely a surprise to me.
The enrolled student population
Georgia State is 37.7% Black, 25.7% White
Valdosta State University is 50.4% White, 35.5% Black
University of North Carolina at Pembroke is 38.8% White, 31.1% Black
Old Dominion University is 46.4% White, 28.7% Black
Georgia Southern University is 59.7% White, 24.7% Black
Gardner-Webb University is 59.6% White, 22.4% Black
Kennesaw State University is 53.6% White, 21.5% Black
Virginia Commonwealth University is 45.8% White, 17.5% Black
East Carolina University is 66.1% White, 15.9% Black
University of North Carolina at Charlotte is 54.1% White, 15.6% Black
Liberty University is 49.7% White, 14.8% Black
Campbell University is 62.1% White, 13.2% Black
Radford University is 67.4% White, 13% Black
University of North Alabama is 72.8% White, 12.9% Black
Longwood University is 74.1% White, 10.4% Black
Emory University is 42.9% White, 15.8% Asian, 10.4% Black
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 18, 2021 21:37:15 GMT -5
This just a list off the top of my head. Obviously, HBCUs will have to do more than just be HBCUs for the current generation. Expecting this trend to reverse is at your own peril. Some of these numbers are absolutely a surprise to me. The enrolled student populationGeorgia State is 37.7% Black, 25.7% White Valdosta State University is 50.4% White, 35.5% Black University of North Carolina at Pembroke is 38.8% White, 31.1% Black Old Dominion University is 46.4% White, 28.7% Black Georgia Southern University is 59.7% White, 24.7% Black Gardner-Webb University is 59.6% White, 22.4% Black Kennesaw State University is 53.6% White, 21.5% Black Virginia Commonwealth University is 45.8% White, 17.5% Black East Carolina University is 66.1% White, 15.9% Black University of North Carolina at Charlotte is 54.1% White, 15.6% Black Liberty University is 49.7% White, 14.8% Black Campbell University is 62.1% White, 13.2% Black Radford University is 67.4% White, 13% Black University of North Alabama is 72.8% White, 12.9% Black Longwood University is 74.1% White, 10.4% Black Emory University is 42.9% White, 15.8% Asian, 10.4% Black Hence the reason why growing our endowment along with diversifying our enrollment is so important. Furthermore, playing in the BS exposes the black kids and alums of those universities to A&T. These students are the ones we are tryig to wrestle away from the above universities. We these kids to pick A&T over Campbell or GW. |
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Post by Maxell on Oct 18, 2021 23:38:31 GMT -5
The endowment is key. These universities are offering more scholarships to Black applicants than ever before.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 5:14:05 GMT -5
This just a list off the top of my head. Obviously, HBCUs will have to do more than just be HBCUs for the current generation. Expecting this trend to reverse is at your own peril. Some of these numbers are absolutely a surprise to me. The enrolled student populationGeorgia State is 37.7% Black, 25.7% White Valdosta State University is 50.4% White, 35.5% Black University of North Carolina at Pembroke is 38.8% White, 31.1% Black Old Dominion University is 46.4% White, 28.7% Black Georgia Southern University is 59.7% White, 24.7% Black Gardner-Webb University is 59.6% White, 22.4% Black Kennesaw State University is 53.6% White, 21.5% Black Virginia Commonwealth University is 45.8% White, 17.5% Black East Carolina University is 66.1% White, 15.9% Black University of North Carolina at Charlotte is 54.1% White, 15.6% Black Liberty University is 49.7% White, 14.8% Black Campbell University is 62.1% White, 13.2% Black Radford University is 67.4% White, 13% Black University of North Alabama is 72.8% White, 12.9% Black Longwood University is 74.1% White, 10.4% Black Emory University is 42.9% White, 15.8% Asian, 10.4% Black It’s not just the percentages that are alarming. The actual raw attendance numbers based on race are alarming. Quite a few of these schools have higher numbers of Black students than many MEAC and CIAA members. If you extrapolate Georgia State’s Black enrollment, they’d be the largest HBCU/PBI some years. |
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 19, 2021 11:42:51 GMT -5
Our administration figured this out at least a few years ago. Martin probably saw the trends when he was working for the UNC system. Hence the move to a conference that will be a stepping stone to eventual higher academics, athletics, and financials.
As I understand it, our goal is to be 30% non-Black by 2030 or thereabouts ourselves. I assume we're pretty well on our way in that regard.
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Post by Maxell on Oct 19, 2021 11:54:42 GMT -5
As I understand it, our goal is to be 30% non-Black by 2030 or thereabouts ourselves. I assume we're pretty well on our way in that regard. 15.9% in 2020. We should not use any institutional scholarships to get to that goal, IMO. |
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Post by aggie252 on Oct 19, 2021 13:07:38 GMT -5
This just a list off the top of my head. Obviously, HBCUs will have to do more than just be HBCUs for the current generation. Expecting this trend to reverse is at your own peril. Some of these numbers are absolutely a surprise to me. The enrolled student populationGeorgia State is 37.7% Black, 25.7% White Valdosta State University is 50.4% White, 35.5% Black University of North Carolina at Pembroke is 38.8% White, 31.1% Black Old Dominion University is 46.4% White, 28.7% Black Georgia Southern University is 59.7% White, 24.7% Black Gardner-Webb University is 59.6% White, 22.4% Black Kennesaw State University is 53.6% White, 21.5% Black Virginia Commonwealth University is 45.8% White, 17.5% Black East Carolina University is 66.1% White, 15.9% Black University of North Carolina at Charlotte is 54.1% White, 15.6% Black Liberty University is 49.7% White, 14.8% Black Campbell University is 62.1% White, 13.2% Black Radford University is 67.4% White, 13% Black University of North Alabama is 72.8% White, 12.9% Black Longwood University is 74.1% White, 10.4% Black Emory University is 42.9% White, 15.8% Asian, 10.4% Black Hence the reason why growing our endowment along with diversifying our enrollment is so important. Furthermore, playing in the BS exposes the black kids and alums of those universities to A&T. These students are the ones we are tryig to wrestle away from the above universities. We these kids to pick A&T over Campbell or GW. Majority if not all of these schools are in states or even cities with HBCUs, so black students are aware of them, which is why I don't understand those who believe playing in the BS is going to somehow sway black students that would usually go to PWIs to A&T. Has that worked for Hampton? You think those black students at Kennesaw aren't out partying at SpellHouse every year or CAU's homecoming? They know about HBCUs. I do agree with the scholarship point, I had classmates that chose PWIs over HBCUs because the financial package was more. Some of you also have to accept that there is a percentage of black students who do not want to go to a college that is majority black. For different reasons they like or prefer to be around white people, and nothing can be done to get them to come to a HBCU, and personally, I don't want those type of black people to come. |
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 19, 2021 13:27:34 GMT -5
I would be "those who believe playing in the BS is goint to somehow sway Black students that would usually go to PWIs to A&T." I was trying to convince my son's soccer teammate's sister to come to A&T but her heart was set on Coastal Carolina for whatever strange reason. When I told her that A&T was moving to the same conference that Coastal had just left she was suddenly willing to give us a look. She ended up at Maryland and I have zero idea why us being in the BS made any difference whatsoever, but it did.
These kids nowadays ain't us, that's the best reasoning I can come up with.
I tried to get my cousin at Kennesaw to come to A&T but the in-state scholarship opportunities nipped that in the bud. Same thing with my other cousin at Georgia State. The kids I have gotten to A&T were practically unfazed by the move to the BS amazingly enough. I think there were a lot of loud indignant students in the minority that were against it, but a decent enough portion of the student body was used to attending schools that either had a decent population of white students or had rivals with a decent population of white students. So at best they didn't care and at worst they found the move attractive.
I definitely want those Black students that don't want to go to a college that is majority Black. Why? Because in my experience those will be the most diehard alumni you find once they attend. I know a few people whose parents flat-out forced them to go to hbcus because they felt their kids were too "white" and every one of them absolutely loved the experience and are testimonials to their respective alma maters.
By the way, my cousins at Kennesaw and Georgia State spend zero time at the AUC. They find there's more than enough Black folks in their own dorms to party with.
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Post by aggie252 on Oct 19, 2021 13:52:20 GMT -5
I agree there's always going to be outliers, I just don't think it will matter for the majority of non athletes to the point it's sizable enough to notice. I think back to my HS days, other than my friends that were going to power 5 schools, none of us knew or cared what conference our school was in. That includes my cousin who was going to Campbell.
I can see your point on the black students being forced. I've seen a couple of stories like that on twitter.I was more so talking about classmates like I had that wanted nothing to do with black folks, no black friends, only date white girls, etc. I think they would skip college than go to a HBCU lol.
I'm sure there's black students at UNCG that don't participate in GHOE. My point about Spellhouse was that they're aware of HBCUs, and that exposure wasn't an issue.
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 19, 2021 13:59:38 GMT -5
Overall we have to remember we're not just in the Big South for athletics. It has as much if not more to do with positioning ourselves for the future across the board. We're competing with these schools but we're also learning from them: How are you increasing your revenues, how are you recruiting students that will stay on track, how are you keeping them on track to graduate, how are you keeping alumni engaged...? Basically this is a conference of sheeet schools that have steadily been on the come up as opposed to stagnant. We're trying to glean what we can from them and also be able to say "oh you're considering Campbell, come to our game against them and tour our campus" to both athletes and non-athletes.
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Post by aggie252 on Oct 19, 2021 14:24:00 GMT -5
Overall we have to remember we're not just in the Big South for athletics. It has as much if not more to do with positioning ourselves for the future across the board. We're competing with these schools but we're also learning from them: How are you increasing your revenues, how are you recruiting students that will stay on track, how are you keeping them on track to graduate, how are you keeping alumni engaged...? Basically this is a conference of sheeet schools that have steadily been on the come up as opposed to stagnant. We're trying to glean what we can from them and also be able to say "oh you're considering Campbell, come to our game against them and tour our campus" to both athletes and non-athletes. I guess only time will tell. The only thing that worries me about the plan for the future is 30 percent non black. At that percentage, even though it's still majority black, the culture starts to change(already happening with the band and the tunnel). If we do reach 30, will it stop there? There's a fine line in diversifying and becoming West Virginia State, a HBCU in name only. What happens if/when we start to lose students who are looking for the more tradional HBCU experience and starts choosing NCCU, WSSU,etc? Are we assuming being more diverse will attract more black students that wouldn't have considered us before, than black students we lose who want the more traditional HBCU experience? |
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 19, 2021 14:39:52 GMT -5
I believe part of the plan in getting to 30% non-Black is growing the university to rival or exceed the size of UNCG. So it would be like the reverse of a lot of these pwi institutions with large Black populations that have experienced overall growth along with minority growth.
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Post by Maxell on Oct 19, 2021 16:02:14 GMT -5
The other part of getting to 30% is growing the graduate and online schools. It grows the school while preserving the undergraduate culture. And remember 30% non-black does not mean 30% white.
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 19, 2021 17:44:32 GMT -5
Overall we have to remember we're not just in the Big South for athletics. It has as much if not more to do with positioning ourselves for the future across the board. We're competing with these schools but we're also learning from them: How are you increasing your revenues, how are you recruiting students that will stay on track, how are you keeping them on track to graduate, how are you keeping alumni engaged...? Basically this is a conference of sheeet schools that have steadily been on the come up as opposed to stagnant. We're trying to glean what we can from them and also be able to say "oh you're considering Campbell, come to our game against them and tour our campus" to both athletes and non-athletes. I guess only time will tell. The only thing that worries me about the plan for the future is 30 percent non black. At that percentage, even though it's still majority black, the culture starts to change(already happening with the band and the tunnel). If we do reach 30, will it stop there? There's a fine line in diversifying and becoming West Virginia State, a HBCU in name only. What happens if/when we start to lose students who are looking for the more tradional HBCU experience and starts choosing NCCU, WSSU,etc? Are we assuming being more diverse will attract more black students that wouldn't have considered us before, than black students we lose who want the more traditional HBCU experience? UNCG has a 30 percent black population that continues to grow, guess what? UNCG gets most of their students from the state of NC. So if UNCG is increasing their minority population where are we going to get the students from to keep A&T growing. There is a limited pool of black students that everyone is recruiting from and guess what? Those schools have larger endowments and nicer facilities. We have to diversify in order to sustain our numbers. |
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Post by Aggie77 on Oct 19, 2021 18:30:12 GMT -5
We have to diversify in order to sustain our numbers. This is one the conjunctive reasons for joining the Big South, not to increase Black enrollment, but to increase White enrollment. |
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