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Post by DOOMS on Aug 24, 2021 12:13:26 GMT -5
I don't think anybody under the age or over the iq of 50 has spurned us due to leaving the meac. Point proven. Back to the topic and as far away as possible from one person's obsession, Mack Brown is one of the best salesmen out there when it comes to recruiting. Even with everything that's going on around UNC right now he was able to pull that kid.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 24, 2021 12:46:07 GMT -5
that's solely your "opinion" cuz you have no way whatsoever of knowing why recruits choose a&t or don't choose a&t. but i do know for a "fact" that it would be very "disingenuous" for our leadership to use “come home to build up your own” as a sales pitch for black recruits...
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Post by DOOMS on Aug 24, 2021 12:56:56 GMT -5
Help me out.
I don't want to upset you but it's just not making sense to me. A recruiter comes into your living room and recruits your star child to play for their team, which happens to be in the same city and in direct competition to your alma mater. The alma mater you actually competed for. Whether your child is an adult and allowed to make her own decisions or not you don't see anything wrong with that, but you have a problem when your alma mater does what's best for it? No matter how you spin it, there's no logic in that to me.
I have no way of knowing what recruiting pitch, if any, was used to attempt to get this young man to come to Ayantee. But I doubt "come to play in the MEAC" has ever been a recruiting tool any school in the MEAC has ever used. Was your daughter recruited by any MEAC schools and if so, what did they pitch? Just asking out of curiosity.
Once the initial shock was over I didn't see the issue. I get the feeling most recruits we've gotten over the years didn't have a clue who we played outside of maybe Howard and Central. I always figured the main "selling" point was a free education.
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Post by trues on Aug 24, 2021 12:59:52 GMT -5
I don't think anybody under the age or over the iq of 50 has spurned us due to leaving the meac. Point proven. Back to the topic and as far away as possible from one person's obsession, Mack Brown is one of the best salesmen out there when it comes to recruiting. Even with everything that's going on around UNC right now he was able to pull that kid. I total agree I knew the min he came back to UNC he was going to build a team with top notch recruits He comes across very down to earth.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 24, 2021 13:59:02 GMT -5
Help me out. I don't want to upset you but it's just not making sense to me. A recruiter comes into your living room and recruits your star child to play for their team, which happens to be in the same city and in direct competition to your alma mater. The alma mater you actually competed for. Whether your child is an adult and allowed to make her own decisions or not you don't see anything wrong with that, but you have a problem when your alma mater does what's best for it? No matter how you spin it, there's no logic in that to me. I have no way of knowing what recruiting pitch, if any, was used to attempt to get this young man to come to Ayantee. But I doubt "come to play in the MEAC" has ever been a recruiting tool any school in the MEAC has ever used. Was your daughter recruited by any MEAC schools and if so, what did they pitch? Just asking out of curiosity. Once the initial shock was over I didn't see the issue. I get the feeling most recruits we've gotten over the years didn't have a clue who we played outside of maybe Howard and Central. I always figured the main "selling" point was a free education. its not making sense to you because you’re completely “missing the point” and barking up the wrong tree. like i previously said, it has “NOTHING” to do with how much sense the recruit has nor what decision the recruit makes. LET ME REPEAT, it has “NOTHING” to do with how much sense "the recruit" has nor what decision the recruit makes. the point is that our “leadership” cannot sale (with integrity) the concept of “coming home to build up your own” to a black recruit. that has “NOTHING” to do with the recruit, point blank, period. try concentrating on "our leadership", not the recruit. its that simple...
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Post by DOOMS on Aug 24, 2021 14:10:01 GMT -5
What does our leadership have to do with the recruit? It seems like your inserting your personal problems with the leadership's decision into the situation. That's kind of outside of the spirit of the thread.
I have a few questions if you don't mind. You're basically easily the BEST situated poster on here as far as the recruiting process goes. I don't know much of anything about your daughter outside what you've shared on the board but I assume she was a VERY good basketball player. Was she even recruited by Ayantee? Did you ever try to get her to look in our direction once it became obvious she was a d-1 level player or did you let her make her own choices?
Was her mom affiliated with Ayantee or UNCG? How did you guys take her decision to go there as opposed to A&T or some other school? I'm assuming you were proud either way but did it sting a little that she attended a rival?
Was her playing time during the period of time when we absolutely sucked at women's basketball? I can see steering her in a different direction if that was the case.
Was A&T one of her visits? At any point did she say "look dad, your alma mater isn't for me." Did she consider any hbcus?
I guess my main question is why UNCG? What was their selling point? I'm curious from the standpoint of how this stuff works and what makes somebody choose one school over another. I also note that we've had several former A&T hall of famers whose sons ended up playing at other schools and I'm wondering what happened there.
Basically on this website you would be the expert on all those questions. Feel free to not answer or answer as few or many as you wish. I just thing it'd be interesting to know the thought process and to see how much of it could've gone into this kid's thinking when he picked UNC. Thanks!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 24, 2021 15:07:39 GMT -5
What does our leadership have to do with the recruit? It seems like your inserting your personal problems with the leadership's decision into the situation. That's kind of outside of the spirit of the thread. I have a few questions if you don't mind. You're basically easily the BEST situated poster on here as far as the recruiting process goes. I don't know much of anything about your daughter outside what you've shared on the board but I assume she was a VERY good basketball player. Was she even recruited by Ayantee? Did you ever try to get her to look in our direction once it became obvious she was a d-1 level player or did you let her make her own choices? Was her mom affiliated with Ayantee or UNCG? How did you guys take her decision to go there as opposed to A&T or some other school? I'm assuming you were proud either way but did it sting a little that she attended a rival? Was her playing time during the period of time when we absolutely sucked at women's basketball? I can see steering her in a different direction if that was the case. Was A&T one of her visits? At any point did she say "look dad, your alma mater isn't for me." Did she consider any hbcus? I guess my main question is why UNCG? What was their selling point? I'm curious from the standpoint of how this stuff works and what makes somebody choose one school over another. I also note that we've had several former A&T hall of famers whose sons ended up playing at other schools and I'm wondering what happened there. Basically on this website you would be the expert on all those questions. Feel free to not answer or answer as few or many as you wish. I just thing it'd be interesting to know the thought process and to see how much of it could've gone into this kid's thinking when he picked UNC. Thanks! first of all, i'm not gonna discuss my family matters on this board anymore cuz folk like you feel a need to "weaponize" personal information. i'd be more than willing to discuss this with you "privately" off the record. so hit me up "privately" if you wanna know that kind of information but know that what i may share with you "privately" is not intended to be posted "publicly" on message boards. secondly, and again for the umpteenth time, my comment regarding our "leadership" has absolutely "NOTHING" to do with the "recruit". i never once mentioned "anything" relative to the recruit's mindset or decision making. but for some reason, you wanna harp/dwell on the "recruit". perhaps you're trying to "bait me" into a discussion that's irrelevant to this thread. if so, it won't work. too smart for that. for someone who frowns so much on "changing subjects", you're doing a pretty darn good job of it yourself. so let's stay "focused". my comment pertained specifically to our "leadership", not the recruit. ain't got "jack" to do with the recruit. but for some odd reason your focus is on the "recruit" rather than my statement regarding our "leadership". i have not commented on the recruit's mindset or decision making. my comment regarding our "leadership" has absolutely "NOTHING" to do with the "recruit". its really as simple as that. no need to "convolute" the subject with a distraction regarding the "recruit"...
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Aug 24, 2021 17:06:46 GMT -5
I guess I don’t get it ……..
What does our leadership need to do differently to sale that concept Is the main question ? In your opinion what are they not doing
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 24, 2021 17:22:00 GMT -5
why even try to sell that concept at all? perhaps they didn't for all i know. my only point after another poster stated that the recruit should "COME HOME BROTHER and build up your own", is that that's a sales pitch that our leadership is not fit to make without being "hypocritical".
it was all about the "sales pitch" that the previous poster stated, nothing more, nothing less...
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Post by Bornthrilla on Aug 24, 2021 17:24:44 GMT -5
sell, sale, sail, cell.
One of those is the correct verb to use in this situation.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 24, 2021 17:28:29 GMT -5
i believe "sale" is the correct "adjective" in this case rather than a verb...
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Post by oldschool on Aug 24, 2021 17:28:42 GMT -5
North Carolina A&T State University was conceived as an HBCU and it will be an HBCU no matter what conference affiliation that they choose .So the concept of "coming home to build your own " does not change the status of NCA&T as an HBCU no matter the conference affiliation .
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Post by DOOMS on Aug 24, 2021 17:57:45 GMT -5
What leadership are we talking about anyways? Aren’t the coaches the one that do the recruiting and the chancellor and board the ones that made the conference switch? One doesn’t have anything to do with the other.
That would be funny. A coach shows up in his Aggie gear with the big south emblem and the recruit starts going off because we left the meac. That’s bout ludicrous.
“I was considering A&T but they destroyed the meac. They ain’t loyal!” Lol
Oh well, yet another thread derailed.
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Post by ohsixrain on Aug 24, 2021 17:57:53 GMT -5
Is that what Oleschool is saying by we would be selling a hypocrytical sales pitch...? Because we left the MEAC...? Come on, dude...time to move on. Don't be the dinosaur that doesn't like change.
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Post by DOOMS on Aug 24, 2021 18:01:07 GMT -5
Honestly he don’t like it and probably won’t. And I feel like we do need people on the board who offer alternative opinions on stuff. My only issue is IMO the alternative opinions have been emotionally based with little to no logic. I understand being emotional about issues, especially this one. But at some point you have to not necessarily let it go but move to a more logic based argument. That hasn’t happened yet. For example, there was zero logical reason to bring up the issue in this thread. Plenty of emotional reasons to crowbar it in, but none based in sound logic.
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