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Post by thewinner on Jul 31, 2021 12:27:42 GMT -5
can we keep this thread about Mac please. I believe this convo is worthy in a post of its own.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jul 31, 2021 14:23:04 GMT -5
i think this conversation is about mac cuz some folk are claiming he won't get a fair shot because he went to an hbcu which i disagree with. there is no "hbcu bias" in the nfl, that's a myth. if you can excel at the nfl level, they'd be "fools" not to sign you. people's jobs are "constantly" on the line like coaches and gm's. do you really think they would pass up on a player just because he played hbcu ball if the player can excel at the nfl level? nah, ain't happenin'.
leonard is about to sign the most "lucrative" lb contract in the entire nfl. again, if you can excel at the nfl level, they will sign you.
i honestly think some folk "over estimate" the fcs talent level. we see what we "think" is high level college football at the fcs level, but its no comparison to most bcs schools. we beat an fbs school like ecu, kent state, or unc charlotte (the absolute "lowest" of fbs programs) and suddenly our folk thinks that those wins qualify a&t to compete at the fbs level. that alone shows the misinformed mindset relative to talent level of some of our folks.
we beat a few "low level" fbs schools, then that means we're ready for big time fbs football. we have players who excel at the hbcu/fcs level, then that mean they're all "nfl material".
folks, there is no "hbcu bias" in the nfl. if you can play, they will sign you. leonard is 'bout to get paid "big time" because he actually "excels" at the nfl level. do you really think his coaches and gm care that he played hbcu ball?
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Post by AggieGroove on Jul 31, 2021 14:42:34 GMT -5
i think this conversation is about mac cuz some folk are claiming he won't get a fair shot because he went to an hbcu which i disagree with. there is no "hbcu bias" in the nfl, that's a myth. if you can excel at the nfl level, they'd be "fools" not to sign you. people's jobs are "constantly" on the line like coaches and gm's. do you really think they would pass up on a player just because he played hbcu ball if the player can excel at the nfl level? nah, ain't happenin'. leonard is about to sign the most "lucrative" lb contract in the entire nfl. again, if you can excel at the nfl level, they will sign you. i honestly think some folk "over estimate" the fcs talent level. we see what we "think" is high level college football at the fcs level, but its no comparison to most bcs schools. we beat an fbs school like ecu, kent state, or unc charlotte (the absolute "lowest" of fbs programs) and suddenly our folk thinks that those wins qualify a&t to compete at the fbs level. that alone shows the misinformed mindset relative to talent level of some of our folks. we beat a few "low level" fbs schools, then that means we're ready for big time fbs football. we have players who excel at the hbcu/fcs level, then that mean they're all "nfl material". folks, there is no "hbcu bias" in the nfl. if you can play, they will sign you. leonard is 'bout to get paid "big time" because he actually "excels" at the nfl level. do you really think his coaches and gm care that he played hbcu ball? Somewhat OSA about Leonard, i read a previous article where folks were questioning the Colts for making him a 2nd round pick...this mentality exists in the NFL, sad to say Now back to topic, Mac needs to keep working his tail off and everything will take care of itself.....
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Post by saabman on Jul 31, 2021 14:55:37 GMT -5
No, I do not think having stronger linemen is a talent issue. It's a program issue. When you have big, sloppy, weak, linemen, either you didn't have the resources to support their physical development or it wasn't important enough. My neighbor kid was a 6'4 250 lb high school basketball player. He played one year of football as a tight end. He got a football scholarship to a D2 PWI and they redshirted him and put him on a year-round regiment of strength, conditioning and nutrition. By his junior year he had put on 50 lbs of muscle and become a 6'5 300 pound offensive linemen. He came home that summer and I said "Damn!" After college, he even had a short run with the Minnesota Vikings. Many HBCUs can't or won't do that. Not a talent issue. From an NFL perspective on film that player is more talented and nfl ready. The player probably looks more talented because they are bigger and stronger than HBCU lineman. An nfl exec will pick the d2 kid first you were speaking of. I think his point has more to do with Development and Developing a players potential talents . And the investment a program/programs are willing to make to develop and fine tone that potential Talent when preparing them for the next level . Having been a recruiter I can tell you that game film takes a back seat to the word of in person surveillance by regional Scouts . Off Topic but that is why I have always been a supporter of the Money Games because it gives our exceptional kids a better evaluation of their abilities to play at the next level and gives there institutions athletic department , AD , coaching staff and players a better understanding of what should be done to Elevate their programs .
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Post by ohsixrain on Jul 31, 2021 23:48:05 GMT -5
I do believe if you are from Ohio State vs an HBCU, you will get more opportunities to prove that you belong in the NFL. The HBCU player has to make the best of the opportunity when he gets or he will be cut. As opposed to an Eli Apple coming out of college was all that and a bag of chips, was selected in the first round and he couldn't cover a burger with a slice of cheese.
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Post by lobengula on Aug 1, 2021 8:59:27 GMT -5
From an NFL perspective on film that player is more talented and nfl ready. The player probably looks more talented because they are bigger and stronger than HBCU lineman. An nfl exec will pick the d2 kid first you were speaking of. I think his point has more to do with Development and Developing a players potential talents . And the investment a program/programs are willing to make to develop and fine tone that potential Talent when preparing them for the next level . Having been a recruiter I can tell you that game film takes a back seat to the word of in person surveillance by regional Scouts . Off Topic but that is why I have always been a supporter of the Money Games because it gives our exceptional kids a better evaluation of their abilities to play at the next level and gives there institutions athletic department , AD , coaching staff and players a better understanding of what should be done to Elevate their programs . In my opinion we should be more advanced in our development of players nutrition wise. We do have the resources to excel. For instance in observing the Clemson football team some time age I came to the conclusion that perhaps there were other factors involved in the physiques of those players maybe steroids growth hormones. something just did not jive too well from my observation.
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Post by lobengula on Aug 1, 2021 9:01:13 GMT -5
By the way Mac will be okay what the Most High has for Mac is for Mac.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 1, 2021 16:20:22 GMT -5
i think this conversation is about mac cuz some folk are claiming he won't get a fair shot because he went to an hbcu which i disagree with. there is no "hbcu bias" in the nfl, that's a myth. if you can excel at the nfl level, they'd be "fools" not to sign you. people's jobs are "constantly" on the line like coaches and gm's. do you really think they would pass up on a player just because he played hbcu ball if the player can excel at the nfl level? nah, ain't happenin'. leonard is about to sign the most "lucrative" lb contract in the entire nfl. again, if you can excel at the nfl level, they will sign you. i honestly think some folk "over estimate" the fcs talent level. we see what we "think" is high level college football at the fcs level, but its no comparison to most bcs schools. we beat an fbs school like ecu, kent state, or unc charlotte (the absolute "lowest" of fbs programs) and suddenly our folk thinks that those wins qualify a&t to compete at the fbs level. that alone shows the misinformed mindset relative to talent level of some of our folks. we beat a few "low level" fbs schools, then that means we're ready for big time fbs football. we have players who excel at the hbcu/fcs level, then that mean they're all "nfl material". folks, there is no "hbcu bias" in the nfl. if you can play, they will sign you. leonard is 'bout to get paid "big time" because he actually "excels" at the nfl level. do you really think his coaches and gm care that he played hbcu ball? Somewhat OSA about Leonard, i read a previous article where folks were questioning the Colts for making him a 2nd round pick...this mentality exists in the NFL, sad to say Now back to topic, Mac needs to keep working his tail off and everything will take care of itself..... in "hindsight", leonard actually should've been a 1st round pick. but questioning whether leonard should've been picked in the 2nd round by the colts had more to do with his status as an "fcs" player than an hbcu player. even scsu alums never called for leonard to be a 1st round pick prior to the draft. i mean, look at it this way. prior to the draft, cohen was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay "undersized" to play rb in the nfl. chicago could've easily used the excuse that he's too small compounded by the fact that he played hbcu football. yet, that didn't stop chicago from drafting cohen. parker got drafted, bam got drafted, and both made their 53 man rosters. neither mccrae nor olatoye got drafted but they both made nfl 53 man rosters during their nfl careers. i just think aggies are more biased in favor of aggies relative to the nfl than the nfl being biased against hbcu players. cohen would've never been drafted if there was an nfl bias against hbcu players, they had every "excuse" not to draft him because of his size but cover it up because he played hbcu ball. i think if mac demonstrates that he's capable of playing at the nfl level, then he'll make somebody's 53 man roster or practice squad just like mccrae and olatoye did who both ironically play the exact same position as mac...
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Post by DOOMS on Aug 1, 2021 19:13:22 GMT -5
I don’t think the NFL is biased against our players. I think the reporters are.
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Post by Maxell on Aug 6, 2021 1:08:20 GMT -5
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Post by aggierattler on Aug 6, 2021 16:45:20 GMT -5
WOW...I hope that he bounces back quickly, but that they give him the time to recover.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 6, 2021 17:00:16 GMT -5
wow! as an undrafted free agent, that's the last thing you'd like to see happen. that really puts him at a disadvantage if he's not able to bounce back soon...
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Post by aggielaw on Aug 6, 2021 17:05:53 GMT -5
Remember Chicago did this with Maurice Hicks!!!!! Sounds like they have long term plans for him.....
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Post by thewinner on Aug 13, 2021 8:24:33 GMT -5
I heard Mac was out a few days hurt. Has anyone heard anything here lately?
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Post by Maxell on Aug 13, 2021 17:24:10 GMT -5
I heard Mac was out a few days hurt. Has anyone heard anything here lately? He's been out with a hamstring for almost two weeks.
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