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Post by aggie2039 on Jul 30, 2021 15:07:25 GMT -5
I've read articles stating what you're stating, but I really haven't seen Brandon "getting his a$$ handed to him" or our all world DE "not performing well outside of special teams." I basically see two guys who may not be all pros, but they are not the worst in the league by any stretch of the imagination. Not to mention they were both overlooked from jump street and coached to the level to be drafted in the NFL by our apparently second-rate coaches. But if the media paints them as sucking, so be it. Had they attended Carolina and UGA and provided the exact same stats, they would've been labeled busts or journeymen at the worst and their preparation would not be questioned. Since they came from "tiny" NC A&T the preparation is what's lacking. That's bias and that's what I have a problem with. When they drafted Parker the whole world knew it was a reach to draft him that high. Likewise, nobody expected DJ to be drafted at all. Yet suddenly they're expected to light the world on fire? IMO opinion they're basically providing what they were projected to provide. Yet as opposed to noting that they're where they'd been expected to be in their careers, there's consistently a mention of their experience at A&T. I agree being all MEAC don't really mean much, but we didn't just play MEAC teams. Our guys in the NFL produced against pretty much every team we faced and they were well-prepared to do so. My issue is these articles are in essence saying we did not prepare them when in reality we turned them from projects into NFL players. If the NFL coaches can't continue to improve them, why are we being blamed? It's the job of the NFL front offices to properly vet them and the coaches to properly coach them. Instead we consistently get articles saying they're not up to snuff because of their experience before they were chosen by their current teams. Where are the articles owning up to the fact the front offices may have made a mistake picking them too high or having too high expectations? What I take from the article is that they are not prepared for the speed, size and skill of the nfl because of their level of competition. Posters keep saying that it’s because we are an HBCU vs making it about the completion we faced on a week in and week out basis. It’s not about the conference demographics it’s about the level of competition. As soon as we understand and realize that then we can work toward solving the problem.
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Post by DOOMS on Jul 30, 2021 15:28:53 GMT -5
Read page 18 of “The Parker Watch” thread and notice how the tone of the articles changes from basically “he’s been phenomenal” to “he’s on the roster bubble.”
When a coach is quoted as saying "Mac's a guy who's got limited college background in what he's been exposed to from a football standpoint” he isn’t referring to who he played against. If he was he would say that he played against a lower level of competition, and that would be an accurate statement. The quote isn’t about the level of competition.
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Post by saabman on Jul 30, 2021 15:50:43 GMT -5
I've read articles stating what you're stating, but I really haven't seen Brandon "getting his a$$ handed to him" or our all world DE "not performing well outside of special teams." I basically see two guys who may not be all pros, but they are not the worst in the league by any stretch of the imagination. Not to mention they were both overlooked from jump street and coached to the level to be drafted in the NFL by our apparently second-rate coaches. But if the media paints them as sucking, so be it. Had they attended Carolina and UGA and provided the exact same stats, they would've been labeled busts or journeymen at the worst and their preparation would not be questioned. Since they came from "tiny" NC A&T the preparation is what's lacking. That's bias and that's what I have a problem with. When they drafted Parker the whole world knew it was a reach to draft him that high. Likewise, nobody expected DJ to be drafted at all. Yet suddenly they're expected to light the world on fire? IMO opinion they're basically providing what they were projected to provide. Yet as opposed to noting that they're where they'd been expected to be in their careers, there's consistently a mention of their experience at A&T. I agree being all MEAC don't really mean much, but we didn't just play MEAC teams. Our guys in the NFL produced against pretty much every team we faced and they were well-prepared to do so. My issue is these articles are in essence saying we did not prepare them when in reality we turned them from projects into NFL players. If the NFL coaches can't continue to improve them, why are we being blamed? It's the job of the NFL front offices to properly vet them and the coaches to properly coach them. Instead we consistently get articles saying they're not up to snuff because of their experience before they were chosen by their current teams. Where are the articles owning up to the fact the front offices may have made a mistake picking them too high or having too high expectations? What I take from the article is that they are not prepared for the speed, size and skill of the nfl because of their level of competition. Posters keep saying that it’s because we are an HBCU vs making it about the completion we faced on a week in and week out basis. It’s not about the conference demographics it’s about the level of competition. As soon as we understand and realize that then we can work toward solving the problem. What I took from the article is what the NFL always say about players coming from FCS Football program ranks that they have been saying for years . Comments that are not totally directed at HBCU's but are directed at the level of competition play and talent at FCS programs period . That's not a HBCU thing it's a FCS thing . Comments like that are nothing new , don't make a big deal out of nothing especially comments that have been proven wrong more often than not.
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Post by aggie2039 on Jul 30, 2021 17:11:31 GMT -5
Read page 18 of “The Parker Watch” thread and notice how the tone of the articles changes from basically “he’s been phenomenal” to “he’s on the roster bubble.” When a coach is quoted as saying "Mac's a guy who's got limited college background in what he's been exposed to from a football standpoint” he isn’t referring to who he played against. If he was he would say that he played against a lower level of competition, and that would be an accurate statement. The quote isn’t about the level of competition. I disagree, exposes to is level of competition
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Post by numberonebrave on Jul 30, 2021 18:15:14 GMT -5
Level of competition - Leonard- Hargraves Armstead were instance starters
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Post by VA's Finest on Jul 30, 2021 19:55:18 GMT -5
Level of competition - Leonard- Hargraves Armstead were instance starters Hate to break this to you but even if you include Cohen into the equation, your talking about 4 guys out of app. 1235 (19 schools @ 65 per) D1 HBCU football players. Which gives you .3% success rate. I as much as anyone want all these cats to play in the league and if given the opportunity I do believe a higher percentage could but I also realize that for most the FCS will be the end of their football careers. Let's stop looking through HBCU tinted glasses and keep it real.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jul 30, 2021 22:58:56 GMT -5
This is a crazy thread ….so what % of guys that play on a BCS team go onto to make a pro team …..I would bet less than 5%
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Post by Maxell on Jul 31, 2021 1:03:57 GMT -5
This is a crazy thread ….so what % of guys that play on a BCS team go onto to make a pro team …..I would bet less than 5% 5% is about right for all of FBS. For P5 schools it's around 10-15%.
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Post by bseballaggie on Jul 31, 2021 8:51:53 GMT -5
I call Bullshi, when our inferior kids are on that field playing, there is some Power 5 athlete sitting on that NFL bench! It appears to there are a lot of inferior players from the PWI’s that are not cutting the mustard, according to this theory of inferior preparation, experience and talent!
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Post by aggie2039 on Jul 31, 2021 9:29:09 GMT -5
I call Bullshi, when our inferior kids are on that field playing, there is some Power 5 athlete sitting on that NFL bench! It appears to there are a lot of inferior players from the PWI’s that are not cutting the mustard, according to this theory of inferior preparation, experience and talent! It’s not bull, it’s probability based. There are 1695 players in the NFL. There are 130 FBS schools and 129 FCS schools, counting full scholarships only that equates to 19000 kids playing football with what percentage of 5 star, 4 star and 3 star players going to FBS? On average 4826 kids graduate annually, there are only 256 kids drafted annually out of 4826. This doesn’t count the div2 or div3 kids Let’s be honest a lot of those kids that sit on the bench at FBS schools come to FCs and start, that means they weren’t the most talented players on that team. They drop down and start at most FCs teams. It’s math and talent, FBs schools get the most talented players…they beat the crap out of FCS teams for a reason, just like HBCUs get the crapped kicked out of them by PWI FCS teams for a reason. They have more talented players. The nfl is looking for the most talented player.
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Post by bseballaggie on Jul 31, 2021 10:27:45 GMT -5
I call Bullshi, when our inferior kids are on that field playing, there is some Power 5 athlete sitting on that NFL bench! It appears to there are a lot of inferior players from the PWI’s that are not cutting the mustard, according to this theory of inferior preparation, experience and talent! It’s not bull, it’s probability based. There are 1695 players in the NFL. There are 130 FBS schools and 129 FCS schools, counting full scholarships only that equates to 19000 kids playing football with what percentage of 5 star, 4 star and 3 star players going to FBS? On average 4826 kids graduate annually, there are only 256 kids drafted annually out of 4826. This doesn’t count the div2 or div3 kids Let’s be honest a lot of those kids that sit on the bench at FBS schools come to FCs and start, that means they weren’t the most talented players on that team. They drop down and start at most FCs teams. It’s math and talent, FBs schools get the most talented players…they beat the crap out of FCS teams for a reason, just like HBCUs get the crapped kicked out of them by PWI FCS teams for a reason. They have more talented players. The nfl is looking for the most talented player. My point is when our kids who are getting playing time, regardless of whether they dominate, are getting playing time ahead of these supposedly superior players, in the NFL I would assume the best talent plays!
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Post by Maxell on Jul 31, 2021 11:05:46 GMT -5
... just like HBCUs get the crapped kicked out of them by PWI FCS teams for a reason. They have more talented players. That's where we disagree. First, HBCUs don't get the crap kicked out of them, particular A&T does not. Secondly, those FCS teams that win typically have stronger linemen. That's not a size issue or a talent issue. The other thing is that some HBCU coaches (particularly in the SWAC) ignore the kicking game. If those two things are fixed, it cures a number of things. Many times FCS PWI coaches depend on scheme because they understand their talent limitation. Observe closely this season. I can almost guarantee you if the 2019 A&T team switched physical strength with NDSU, we would beat them and every other team on that schedule, and given Duke an even closer game. We have an improved strength and conditioning program so let's see what the 2021 and more importantly the 2022 season brings.
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Post by aggie2039 on Jul 31, 2021 11:15:23 GMT -5
... just like HBCUs get the crapped kicked out of them by PWI FCS teams for a reason. They have more talented players. That's where we disagree. First HBCUs don't get the crap kicked out of particular A&T does not. Secondly, those FCS teams that win typically have stronger linemen. That's not a size issue or a talent issue. The other thing is that some HBCU coaches (particularly in the SWAC) ignore the kicking game. If those two things are fixed, it cures a number of things. Observe closely this season. So having stronger lineman isn’t considered a more talented player? I watch a lot of HBCU vs PWI games and there is a difference in talent across the board. A&T is the exception so keep us out of the conversation
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Post by Maxell on Jul 31, 2021 11:54:54 GMT -5
That's where we disagree. First HBCUs don't get the crap kicked out of particular A&T does not. Secondly, those FCS teams that win typically have stronger linemen. That's not a size issue or a talent issue. The other thing is that some HBCU coaches (particularly in the SWAC) ignore the kicking game. If those two things are fixed, it cures a number of things. Observe closely this season. So having stronger lineman isn’t considered a more talented player? I watch a lot of HBCU vs PWI games and there is a difference in talent across the board. A&T is the exception so keep us out of the conversation No, I do not think having stronger linemen is a talent issue. It's a program issue. When you have big, sloppy, weak, linemen, either you didn't have the resources to support their physical development or it wasn't important enough. My neighbor kid was a 6'4 250 lb high school basketball player. He played one year of football as a tight end. He got a football scholarship to a D2 PWI and they redshirted him and put him on a year-round regiment of strength, conditioning and nutrition. By his junior year he had put on 50 lbs of muscle and become a 6'5 300 pound offensive linemen. He came home that summer and I said "Damn!" After college, he even had a short run with the Minnesota Vikings. Many HBCUs can't or won't do that. Not a talent issue.
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Post by aggie2039 on Jul 31, 2021 12:04:26 GMT -5
So having stronger lineman isn’t considered a more talented player? I watch a lot of HBCU vs PWI games and there is a difference in talent across the board. A&T is the exception so keep us out of the conversation No, I do not think having stronger linemen is a talent issue. It's a program issue. When you have big, sloppy, weak, linemen, either you didn't have the resources to support their physical development or it wasn't important enough. My neighbor kid was a 6'4 250 lb high school basketball player. He played one year of football as a tight end. He got a football scholarship to a D2 PWI and they redshirted him and put him on a year-round regiment of strength, conditioning and nutrition. By his junior year he had put on 50 lbs of muscle and become a 6'5 300 pound offensive linemen. He came home that summer and I said "Damn!" After college, he even had a short run with the Minnesota Vikings. Many HBCUs can't or won't do that. Not a talent issue. From an NFL perspective on film that player is more talented and nfl ready. The player probably looks more talented because they are bigger and stronger than HBCU lineman. An nfl exec will pick the d2 kid first you were speaking of.
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