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Post by aggieblackie2 on Nov 13, 2019 8:19:40 GMT -5
Well someone needs to control our basketball coach on how he is controlling the budget.
Not Working.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 13, 2019 8:20:57 GMT -5
But in the meantime, you can't just absolve Joyner of his bad coaching.
He has enough financial support to not be getting drug by 30 points to a program like Western Carolina.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 13, 2019 11:00:15 GMT -5
....we can’t accept losses like this. You all need to be prepared for the score on Friday vs Utah State. It’s gonna be extremely ugly. If Joyner is gonna continue to play stress-free basketball and switch lineups liberally, it’s gonna get ugly Friday night......I’m talking 50, 60, 70 points ugly.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 13, 2019 14:39:37 GMT -5
i didn't see the game, but i'm still not concerned. what i care about in men's basketball? is beating the buzzards, perform well in conference play and a pwc win every now and then. i ain't trippin', the last 2 seasons have been the best men's basketball seasons (other than cy's meac championship/play-in game win season) in nearly 30 years. if you've hung around aggie basketball for the last 30 years like i have, then you'd be glad just to play above .500 ball.
i still say d1 hbcu's have a "glass ceiling", no hbcu is going very far at the d1 level. don't bother me if we take a beating on the road early in the season by a pwc, it just don't. all i care about is beating the buzzards, winning the meac, win close to 20 games or more, beat a d1 low major/mid major pwc every now and then, and win the "play-in game" if we win the tournament championship.
that's all i care about in men's basketball. anything above and beyond that is "frosting on the cake" for me. unless we invest the kinds of dollars that the true "midmajors" invest, my expectations are rather low for our men's basketball team. and i have "zero" expectations to compete with the unc's and duke's of the world...
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Nov 13, 2019 16:21:26 GMT -5
old school ....Thrilla just posted the numbers Western Car spends less than us and thy beat us like a drum. It really does make us look like a D2 espically against instate low mid major competition
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 13, 2019 17:09:18 GMT -5
In theory, I don't disagree with OSA.....wanting to win vs NCCU, winning the MEAC tournament, and winning the play-in game are realistic goals/aspirations.
However when you're not even competitive with an in-state SoCon team picked to finish 7th out of 10 team, not to mention getting your doors blown off by a cross-town rival (also in the SoCon)......it very well may be a harbinger for things to come in the forthcoming months. If WCU played an MEAC schedule, I have a hard time believing they'd be competing for the top rung of the conference. Losing to WCU by 26 points is very worrisome. Also, getting your teeth get beat in by in-state competition doesn't help on the recruiting trail. You can't beat Central or win the MEAC if the recruits you need to be successful choose a WCU or UNCG over you because of how you performed against them.
We have to represent ourselves better, especially in our own state. To lose to UNCG by 33 and WCU by 26 points in a week's time just isn't a good look....
By the way, WCU finished last year 7-25, with a Sagarin rating of 305; A&T finished 19-13, with a Sagarin rating of 306.
Win or lose, last night should have been much closer than a 26-point deficit.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 13, 2019 18:35:36 GMT -5
old school ....Thrilla just posted the numbers Western Car spends less than us and thy beat us like a drum. It really does make us look like a D2 espically against instate low mid major competition even that doesn't bother me, for 30 years or more i've seen far worse. i mean, so what if we had beaten wcu? to me, it still don't mean jack. i'm not quite sure where these "high standards" for our men's basketball is coming from. certainly can't be drawing from our "powerhouse" years, that was over 30 years ago. but for the last 30 years, give or take a couple of years, our men's basketball has been downright "horrible". it wasn't that long ago that we couldn't even win a "first round" game in the meac tournament! hail, we must have gone well over a decade without winning a first round game in the tournament. i was there when we barely won "5" games. any of ya'll remember curtis hunter? then eaves came along and had some near "winless" seasons before he finally got us to become a .500 team but he still couldn't win a first round tournament game. so i don't trip on our men's basketball. thanks to what coach bibbs started and coach "t" rob has continued, i have much higher standards for our women's team than our men's team. you might get a reaction outta me if our women got dragged up and down the court by a weak low major/midmajor, but that only because they've set a long precedent of expectations. our men haven't... |
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Post by aggieswag on Nov 13, 2019 20:34:19 GMT -5
I cant believe there is even a discussion on this. This coach is trash. What competitor do you know says "it doesn't matter" I bet you UNCG coach did not go into Kansas thinking it doesn't matter. And the Evansville coach did not go into Ky like that. It doesn't matter that you get embarrassed by your in city rival and very low level 7 game win in state school by 30? Of course it matters in recruits and everything else.
If the coach thinks this of how in the hell do you think the players are going to respond. I'll tell you with blowout losses to teams that we should be competitive with at our level.
It would be one thing if we were even a top hbcu team. We are not. Other HBCUs have lower budgets and have 100x better outcomes. Anybody check the budget at Norfolk.
I've said it before and I will say it again. You don't have to wait years to see if you have a good coach. We are wasting our time with this one and the longer he stays the longer we will have embarrassing outcomes. There are ZERO reasons to even lose to WCU let alone get destroyed by 30. I could coach and get a better outcome than that.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 13, 2019 21:02:30 GMT -5
....your point is taken and is not falling on deaf ears.....believe me.
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Post by numberonebrave on Nov 13, 2019 22:17:09 GMT -5
Coppin got a nice win last night at Loyola of Chicago... Budgets...?..
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 13, 2019 22:49:39 GMT -5
who says we're a top hbcu program? i got news for ya'll, we're not. so what if norfolk is better than us? is it a sin that another hbcu is better than us in men's basketball? we're incapable of being inferior in men's basketball to other hbcu's? if so, since when did that happen?
some of ya'll act like its "unusual" for other hbcu's to be better than us in men's basketball. where did that notion come from? joyner's program has been more successful in 2 consecutive seasons than any other aggie men's coach in 30 some years.
so somebody please tell me where these "high expectations" come from? what other aggie men's basketball coach over the last 30 years has had 2 consecutive seasons that's better than the 2 that joyner just had? speaking of norfolk and coppin state, they both have a better basketball facility than us. guess that don't make no difference with recruiting though...
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Post by marchingband1969 on Nov 13, 2019 22:53:20 GMT -5
I hear you guys complaining but this isn't new. I've seen us stink up the place when we play out of conference teams at the start of every year. That's why I don't attend more games. Guess I'll totally skip this season.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 13, 2019 23:21:17 GMT -5
who says we're a top hbcu program? i got news for ya'll, we're not. so what if norfolk is better than us? is it a sin that another hbcu is better than us in men's basketball? we're incapable of being inferior in men's basketball to other hbcu's? if so, since when did that happen? some of ya'll act like its "unusual" for other hbcu's to be better than us in men's basketball. where did that notion come from? joyner's program has been more successful in 2 consecutive seasons than any other aggie men's coach in 30 some years. so somebody please tell me where these "high expectations" come from? what other aggie men's basketball coach over the last 30 years has had 2 consecutive seasons that's better than the 2 that joyner just had? speaking of norfolk and coppin state, they both have a better basketball facility than us. guess that don't make no difference with recruiting though... You start off saying we're not a top HBCU program......who actually argued that we were? That's why people are disappointed and want more. High expectations come from just being an Aggie.....surely you know this. This post from you rambles from unforeseen point to unforeseen point. "Is it a sin that another HBCU is better than us" ; then you go into a facilities discussion with norfolk and coppin. No one's talking about facilities. That's called RAMBLING. I don't think you are trying to advance this discussion in any positive way.....this post comes across as someone who just wants to be heard......but really has nothing truly substantive to say. |
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Post by aggieblackie2 on Nov 14, 2019 0:02:14 GMT -5
Hell yes it is a sin that another hbcu is better than us in any damn thing sports and non sports. You said it OSA that
Joyner has been successful the last two consecutive years and more so than the last 30. That is why the expectations are high
hoping he would continue his winning ways. I am from the old/old school well before you. I know what our heritage and
legacy was in basketball and to see how it has been the last umpteeeeeeeeeen years is a damn shame.
You need to reevaluate your thinking and check your Aggie Pride button because you ain't talking nothing but BS. You
need to stay off of this subject because just as NSS stated you are talking just to hear yourself talk. You are embarrassing
your AGGie Pride.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 19, 2019 16:52:02 GMT -5
btw, don't know if some of ya'll noticed, but wcu only loss to the acc's florida state by "5 points" on florida state's own home floor this past friday. looks to me that wcu has a pretty good midmajor team. florida state was 27-7 last year and had to come from "17 points" behind last friday to beat wcu...
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