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Post by AggiePride on Nov 29, 2018 9:00:13 GMT -5
they ain't coming to aggie stadium without a return visit from us. that's why we haven't played them since '08, or whatever the last year was that we played them. and i'm sure they don't want no parts of us now given the success we've had in recent years. gone are the days that the lambs were "bragging" that we were scurd to play them... Things change OSA.......I highly doubt it now that WSSU would have the gall to put themselves on equal footing as us and expect some type of home-and-home matchup. I honestly believe they'd be more than happy with a paycheck from us to come and play at Aggie Stadium. Things are just different now than what they were 10-15 years ago.....primarily due to the growth/higher profile of our university and our football team. With all of that said, I'm not as enamored with playing Winston as I used to be. When you beat Charlotte, ECU, App St and Jacksonville St, beating Winston just doesn't do much for me. Agree. If we decide to play WSSU again, we should treat it similar to how FBS schools schedule FCS opponents. If we are looking for regional HBCU to play, Hampton is our best bet. I personally would not mine throttling Tenn State as well. I think as long as the CB is intact I like our scheduling approach, FBS and a regional FCS PWI, this helps us measure our competitiveness. |
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Post by JeffAggieFan on Nov 29, 2018 9:07:33 GMT -5
The tie breaker scenario is going to be a less of a factor if we are playing everyone head to head. You might have a three way tie in the conference but I don't think it will happen that much.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Nov 29, 2018 9:10:21 GMT -5
From what I have been told, we already have 11 games confirmed for 2019 and working on a 12th game - preferably at home. AWAY - at Duke, at Charleston Southern, at Norfolk State, at FAMU, at SC State, at Morgan HOME - Elon, Del State, Howard, BC-U, NC Central I was also thinking that Hampton could fill our open slot but don't know if it will happen. As far as visiting fans, let's fill up BB&T Stadium with 21,500 AGGIE fans for every game.. I like the CSU move... they are trending downward with their probation. Should be a sound OOC road win. And it's been hard for us to get initial home games in home/away series. PWIs seem to want to get the first home game. Hampton coming to see us would be a great 6th home game. Forget any grudge Dr. Thomas has... if it fits the schedules, gotta make that happen. |
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Post by AggieMac on Nov 29, 2018 9:40:37 GMT -5
We did that this year and struggled in lesser games in the MEAC. Nothing is for certain anymore regardless of our recent fortune. i think his point was that the strong OOC also puts us in a better position for any tiebreaker that may happen and in the event we stumble in the MEAC we still have a postseason. I get what he is saying. My point is that we almost blew our chance at a tiebreaker scenario with our 2 losses in conference play, which I am saying could happen again. It would mean nothing for us as it pertains to being in the driver's seat if we don't take care of business. |
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 29, 2018 10:15:33 GMT -5
It was really only 1 loss (Morgan wasn't considered a conference loss).
Look, it's hard to win a conference title outright. Once again, go back to 2015 when there was a 5-way tie for 1st place. Crazy stuff like this happens.
I'd rather have OOC victories over a Chas Southern, Hampton or Campbell propping us up for either the CB or playoffs versus a game with WSSU, Bowie or any other hot black DII football program of the day. There's no way this can be argued.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 10:26:33 GMT -5
i think his point was that the strong OOC also puts us in a better position for any tiebreaker that may happen and in the event we stumble in the MEAC we still have a postseason. I get what he is saying. My point is that we almost blew our chance at a tiebreaker scenario with our 2 losses in conference play, which I am saying could happen again. It would mean nothing for us as it pertains to being in the driver's seat if we don't take care of business. To the defense of what happened, It's really hard to go undefeated in conference play year-in and year-out. Very few teams have long and sustained streaks of conference wins. |
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 29, 2018 10:37:29 GMT -5
Alabama hasn't been winning all of these national titles going unscathed through the SEC.......if they win the national title this year, this will be the FIRST TIME THIS DECADE they would have gone through the regular season of the SEC unscathed before doing so. Just keep that in mind when you look at our situation, as it pertains to either the CB or the FCS playoffs.....
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Post by AggieMac on Nov 29, 2018 10:51:59 GMT -5
I get what he is saying. My point is that we almost blew our chance at a tiebreaker scenario with our 2 losses in conference play, which I am saying could happen again. It would mean nothing for us as it pertains to being in the driver's seat if we don't take care of business. To the defense of what happened, It's really hard to go undefeated in conference play year-in and year-out. Very few teams have long and sustained streaks of conference wins. No no, don't get me wrong I am not saying we should role over every one if we go undefeated in OOC play. I am saying nothing is for certain with this coaching staff anymore when it comes to discipline that we will not continue to have let downs on games we should win aka (Morgan State). FAMU I think at that time was really playing pretty good football and it was 1 vs 2, I can almost live with that being the ONLY loss. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 29, 2018 12:48:19 GMT -5
No to D2 games. There's no value in it. I like playing a challenging schedule. If FAMU had beaten BCU we would have easily made the playoffs because of wins over ECU and JSU. Lol, I remember when a lot of folks on this board complained about Broadway scheduling the likes of Shaw, St Aug, VUL, Chowan and WV State. Now we want D2's back on the schedule?  If A&T is going to play a D2 program make it a top level D2 someone like VU , Bowie state university, Tuskegee , Morehouse . Someone that can generate Revenue . If they can not help feel the Stadium why play them at all . i have "always" been in favor of playing a d2 team or at least a "weak" fcs team and i'll tell you why. because when you play the kind of schedule we played this year, our freshmen and backups don't get to play "extended" minutes in a true football game. for example, because all of our early season ooc games were very competitive this year, we did not have an opportunity to give our redshirt freshman qb (fowler) any extended playing time. we can probably count on one hand how many snaps fowler had in a real game this season. so what, some may ask? well, just look at the situation we're in now? kylil gets hurts in an automobile accident and all of a sudden guess who is now our #2 qb? yep, fowler. well, what if raynard gets hurt or can't play early in the cb? guess who has to lead us to victory even though he's only had 4 or 5 snaps from center all season long? yep, fowler. whereas, had fowler played 2 quarters in a blowout win over a d2 team this year, he'd at least have some experience to reflect on. but now, having only 4 or 5 snaps from center all season long? dude would likely be a "deer in headlights" if we had to throw him to the wolves in the cb. playing in "practice" is not the same as playing in a real game. so that's an example of why i believe in playing a d2 team every season. heck, about 3 or 4 years ago, cohen went down with a knee injury about 4 games into the season and couldn't play at all against howard that year. but guess what? cartwright came to the rescue as a "true freshman" and rushed for over 100 yards against howard "in part" because he'd got "extended minutes" playing against a d2 team earlier in the season that year. so we didn't have to worry about cartwright being a "deer in headlights" because he'd already experienced what it felt like to play extended minutes at the college level. i mean, even "perennial powerhouse" alabama plays a cupcake every year despite having the most talented team in america year in year out. most bcs teams do the same thing for the same reason, to give their backups extended playing time in the event they're called upon to play meaningful minutes or start in an important game down the road... |
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 29, 2018 13:25:13 GMT -5
Alabama is in the SEC......that's the FCS equivalent to the Missouri Valley Conference. If Alabama was in the Sun Belt (like App St), they'd be chomping at the bits to play any major program they could. I just don't think that's a fair comparison.
Conversely, if A&T was in the Missouri Valley Conference, playing Winston wouldn't be such a bad thing, because the cache of the MVC is enough for them to play a less aggressive OOC schedule.
A&T doesn't have that luxury, being in the MEAC. We have to do everything possible to show we belong because winning in the MEAC doesn't raise eyebrows. It is what it is.
Personally, I still don't see how playing a weak DII opposition in August would have a 3rd string QB ready to play vs the SWAC champion in December.
Just a few years ago, Femi (I believe he was a 6-yr senior QB) helped us beat Kent St early in the year. By the time November rolled around, he looked like a deer in headlights vs Central and Richmond. He looked completely clueless in those last few games, irrespective of the early-year experience he had. I'm just bringing this up because for every point, there's a reasonable counterpoint.
In this day and age, A&T is about taking upping the ante. After beating both Jacksonville St (in Montgomery) and ECU (in Greenville), I think you will be hard-pressed to find many Aggies wishing to go the DII-game route any further.....
.....and frankly, there are some bad FCS programs out there that could help us get tiebreaker points and game experience for our younger players.
Gardner Webb
Cambpell
Presbyterian
Charleston Southern
Hampton (don't let the 7-3 record fool ya. 5 games were against non FBS/FCS opponents)
Tennessee Tech
Tennessee Martin
Davidson
VMI
Western Carolina
All of these programs are either in the state or bordering us. We can play the "Fowlers" on our squad against these weak FCS squads while we amass tiebreaker points. I believe in doing whatever possible to check all the boxes we want to have checked.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Nov 29, 2018 16:15:29 GMT -5
.....and frankly, there are some bad FCS programs out there that could help us get tiebreaker points and game experience for our younger players. Gardner Webb Cambpell Presbyterian Charleston Southern Hampton (don't let the 7-3 record fool ya. 5 games were against non FBS/FCS opponents) Tennessee Tech Tennessee Martin Davidson VMI Western Carolina All of these programs are either in the state or bordering us. We can play the "Fowlers" on our squad against these weak FCS squads while we amass tiebreaker points. I believe in doing whatever possible to check all the boxes we want to have checked. This shuts down all D2 arguments in my opinion. WSSU is the only div2 team we should ever schedule at this moment in A&T football history. Its even more teams I would add to that list that might not quite be beatdowns, but we should win going away just because we are a better program. |
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Post by The Professor on Nov 29, 2018 16:39:29 GMT -5
No to D2 games. There's no value in it. I like playing a challenging schedule. If FAMU had beaten BCU we would have easily made the playoffs because of wins over ECU and JSU. Lol, I remember when a lot of folks on this board complained about Broadway scheduling the likes of Shaw, St Aug, VUL, Chowan and WV State. Now we want D2's back on the schedule? If A&T is going to play a D2 program make it a top level D2 someone like VU , Bowie state university, Tuskegee , Morehouse . Someone that can generate Revenue . If they can not help feel the Stadium why play them at all . The only D2 that is gonna sellout Aggie Stadium is WSSU. In the last 25 years only schools to sellout Aggie Stadium for a non Homecoming game is WSSU NCCU Famu (1999 defacto Meac Title Game and the 100 came to Greensboro for 1st time in 20 years) |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 29, 2018 16:52:12 GMT -5
.....and frankly, there are some bad FCS programs out there that could help us get tiebreaker points and game experience for our younger players. Gardner Webb Cambpell Presbyterian Charleston Southern Hampton (don't let the 7-3 record fool ya. 5 games were against non FBS/FCS opponents) Tennessee Tech Tennessee Martin Davidson VMI Western Carolina All of these programs are either in the state or bordering us. We can play the "Fowlers" on our squad against these weak FCS squads while we amass tiebreaker points. I believe in doing whatever possible to check all the boxes we want to have checked. This shuts down all D2 arguments in my opinion. WSSU is the only div2 team we should ever schedule at this moment in A&T football history. Its even more teams I would add to that list that might not quite be beatdowns, but we should win going away just because we are a better program. monster, i said d2 "or" a weak fcs team. but that weak fcs team had better be "weak", so weak that the game should be virtually over by the end of the 1st qtr. now we played gardner webb this year which was a weak fcs team, but we didn't pull away from them until mid way thru the 3rd qtr. by that time, carter had barely got into the game in the 4th quarter because raynard wasn't looking like himself and needed more time to tune up. bottom line in the gardner webb game even though they were weak? no playing time for fowler. look, it ain't about "pride" or "toughness". and it ain't about "flexing your muscles". its about playing guys for "extended minutes" (can't overemphasize "extended minutes") who normally would not be playing very much. its about preparing your "inexperienced depth" for down the road purposes, period. you can't put fowler in the game against jsu or ecu, nor any other 3rd or 4th stringer. but those guys need "reps" just like the starters do. even against d2 teams, that experience gives guys "confidence". they know they'll face much stiffer competition down the road, but "psychologically" they are aware of that and will adjust accordingly. but if they don't have any experience at all, they have "nothing" as a basis to adjust to! look, for folk who've never played the game before, i suppose its difficult for them to understand. but for those who have, it should make more sense. when i was in high school, they put me on varsity in my first year of high school instead of putting me on jv. but in high school, you're allowed to "scrimmage" other teams like a real game. so as a "rookie", by playing in a "scrimmage" against another team, i gained "confidence" before i had to play my first true varsity contest and that meant "everything" in the world to me. i was nervous at the beginning of the scrimmage cuz i didn't know what it was like to play varsity, but after that first hit, i settled down. we scrimmaged a 3A team, but my high school (new bern) was a 4A school. so i knew our 4A competition that lied ahead would be stiffer, but i got the "jitters" out in the scrimmage and all i had to do was adjust to bigger, stronger, and faster players. but the game itself was the same. next thing i know, i got thrown in as a "starting db" in our very first game on varsity. but i wasn't nervous and i didn't have "butterflies" cuz i'd already played against a 3A varsity team and did pretty well which gave me "confidence". again, i knew i'd play against bigger, stronger, and faster players when we got into our 4A schedule, but that only meant i had to "raise my game". but what it didn't mean was that i had "no clue" what to expect or not know how to deal with "game speed" on the varsity level... |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 29, 2018 17:05:43 GMT -5
ya'll can say what you want, but i totally 100% concur with how coach broadway setup his schedules. i've said that from the very beginning and i will "always" feel that way no matter how many championships we've won. all i know is if "5 snap" fowler is forced into action in a close game at the cb, i will chew my finger nails off...
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Post by Maxell on Nov 29, 2018 17:29:19 GMT -5
If A&T is going to play a D2 program make it a top level D2 someone like VU , Bowie state university, Tuskegee , Morehouse . Someone that can generate Revenue . If they can not help feel the Stadium why play them at all . The only D2 that is gonna sellout Aggie Stadium is WSSU. Selling out the stadium for one single game is overrated. I would rather create a block of up to 5,000 $15 tickets for every game that could be purchased in advance similar to what we did with the ECU game with a cutoff date of one week before the game. Promote the $15 ticket to community groups for every home game except Homecoming and NCCU. We have to engage the community to create an ongoing local fan. Having an affordable ticket available does that. |
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