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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Feb 17, 2015 13:39:49 GMT -5
Hilton is at every home game standing on the floor...I am sure he has a good handle on basketball...I have know idea what his thoughts are in regards to current performance or were he thinks the program is headed.
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Post by aggieblackie on Feb 17, 2015 14:02:58 GMT -5
Da Heretic you are right on point. I feel the same way as you on your posts.
I am from the real ole school and basketball was our forte under Coach Cal Irvin and it was passed on to coaches following his retirement up to Coach Don Corbett. They kept the tradition of winning championships going.
After Coach Corbett left our basketball program has sucked until the present day. A&T was known for basketball under these coaches.
This is why I am disappointed in some people wanting "T" brass to keep him. Most of you were not born and you don't know the tradition of our history of basketball.
Our athletic department has done a poor job is hiring basketball coaches for the past 20 years.
We need a new coach and we need him/her as soon as the tournament is over. ASAP!!
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Post by da heretic on Feb 17, 2015 14:22:21 GMT -5
Appreciate your post too, Aggieblackie. Y'all know a lot more about A&T's b-ball history than I do, but Cal Irvin (props to Aggieblackie) and Gene Littles, etc. killed it back in the day, along with Corbett. Considerin how big a deal college b-ball is (there's a lot more basketball on tv than 1AA football), the school gots to get back to the good ol days, startin with a new coach. I know it's gonna take time, but if there's no movement now, it'll take longer.
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Post by Gator on Feb 17, 2015 16:35:09 GMT -5
All I remember Hilton saying, is that if you're not winning or in contention for winning championships, you won't be around.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Feb 17, 2015 16:51:38 GMT -5
Well we aint neither of those...winning or in contention for anything
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Post by Gator on Feb 17, 2015 17:18:02 GMT -5
I know, let's see what the outcome will be when the season is officially over!
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Post by Trueaggie on Feb 17, 2015 19:30:15 GMT -5
Cy was handed a championship Div I team; and now we have a average Division III team.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Feb 17, 2015 20:41:05 GMT -5
Don't look now but this season has been over for weeks for A&Ts men's team. In fact we could have fired Cy weeks ago and I'm not sure our record would be any different. My point? Why wait until after the tournament?
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Post by The Professor on Feb 17, 2015 20:48:03 GMT -5
Let's face financial facts, We can't afford to fire another coach Based off what? He only has one year left on his contract and he's not making Coach K money. The athletic department has been very financially responsible the last 5 years. If we had money to burn , Football wouldn't be playing UNC for a payday. I'm not saying we broke..... but at the same time why waste 150 plus when u really don't have too
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Post by da heretic on Feb 18, 2015 15:01:38 GMT -5
^^ Football's playing "Carolina" because it costs so damn much, with no return. That game is partially paying for football.
As for firing Alexander, you ignore Monster's post stating that A&T is notorious for paying multiple people for the same position, and that was when finances weren't what they are currently (if they're as good as the itk's say the are). Also, Alexander's contract is guaranteed, so when it expires, A&T's still gonna pay for his contract and the coach's one when Alexander's expires, i.e., still paying 2 people for the 1 position. To paraphrase the Fram mechanic in the commercial (telling my old azz age), you can pay it now, or pay it later.
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Post by saabman on Feb 18, 2015 15:32:15 GMT -5
^^ Football's playing "Carolina" because it costs so damn much, with no return. That game is partially paying for football. As for firing Alexander, you ignore Monster's post stating that A&T is notorious for paying multiple people for the same position, and that was when finances weren't what they are currently (if they're as good as the itk's say the are). Also, Alexander's contract is guaranteed, so when it expires, A&T's still gonna pay for his contract and the coach's one when Alexander's expires, i.e., still paying 2 people for the 1 position. To paraphrase the Fram mechanic in the commercial (telling my old azz age), you can pay it now, or pay it later. If that is the case . Just let his contact run out its just that sample.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 18, 2015 15:41:11 GMT -5
i cannot sugarcoat the men losing to famu, that was a bad loss and there’s no other way to view that loss. however, if the top 8 of our rotation returns next season as well as the transfers in waiting, i still support coach cy coming back for at least 1 more season when he has a much more mature roster and additional help from the transfers.
contrary to several previous posts, coach cy has only had 2 down seasons, not 3. last year and this year were his only down seasons at a&t and i still place some of the blame on a ton of seniors graduating all at the same time when coach cy first took this job. also during those 2 down seasons is when his personal life took a turn for the worst.
hard to swallow the loss to famu, but i still support coach cy...
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Post by marchingband1969 on Feb 18, 2015 16:27:20 GMT -5
"if the top 8 of our rotation returns next season as well as the transfers in waiting"...man that's a big "if." Based on past years, we always have a player or two bolt at the end of the season. I hope you're right. I do think Hilton will give Cy one more year. Despite all the crap we raise about this team, I think Cy has the potential to put a better team on the floor next year. Now before all you guys attack me, I don't have any facts to back that statement. I just hope and prey he does better next year.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 18, 2015 17:34:11 GMT -5
if i only looked at coach cy’s record over the last 2 years without considering anything else, perhaps i’d be in favor of firing him too. and if i didn’t see the potential for a turnaround on the horizon, again i would be in favor of moving in a different direction. however, i don’t lose sight of the bigger picture, that’s why i have more patience than others.
the bigger picture that i see says coach cy has had a predominantly “freshman and sophomore” dominated squad for the last 2 seasons and that alone is a recipe’ for a losing season unless your last name is “calipari” or “krzyzewski”. again, i blame the massive departure of 7 seniors after coach cy’s first season with virtually “zero” impact juniors and sophomores following behind them as the partial blame for that.
secondly, assuming no one in our top 7 or 8 rotation transfers and the d1 transfers sitting out remain intact, coach cy will have a much more mature team with better overall talent at his disposal next season (loaded with “juniors” and we’d still have bruce as a senior). plus, coach cy’s personal hardships should be far less of a factor this coming off season.
to me, for a new coach to come in and take over the talent that coach cy worked so very hard to put together would be unfair to coach cy. he had to endure a very young team 2 years in a row and for another coach to step in just when coach cy finally will have an upperclassman dominated team would not be fair to coach cy, imo.
that’s why i say give coach cy at least 1 more season to see if he will right the ship when he has a good number of upperclassmen on his roster instead of predominantly underclassmen. now, if he struggles next season (assuming he’ll have a much more mature and talented team), then it may be time to move in a different direction at that time...
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Feb 18, 2015 17:55:51 GMT -5
i cannot sugarcoat the men losing to famu, that was a bad loss and there’s no other way to view that loss. however, if the top 8 of our rotation returns next season as well as the transfers in waiting, i still support coach cy coming back for at least 1 more season when he has a much more mature roster and additional help from the transfers. contrary to several previous posts, coach cy has only had 2 down seasons, not 3. last year and this year were his only down seasons at a&t and i still place some of the blame on a ton of seniors graduating all at the same time when coach cy first took this job. also during those 2 down seasons is when his personal life took a turn for the worst. hard to swallow the loss to famu, but i still support coach cy... I respect your opinion. Not to be antagonistic, but it's easier to say that from a distance. Take it from me -- when you see this team firsthand continuously losing by double digits to anyone and everyone in Corbett and seeing the crowds continuously wane, it puts a different perspective on things. There are Aggies from all over who support the athletics program, but cannot consistently make it to the games due to distance. Fortunately (maybe unfortunately), I live locally to where I can see these dudes play. You just don't leave Corbett saying "I know we're going to be better next year because we have transfers and we'll be more mature next year." I appreciate the optimism some people may have - personally, I just don't see from where it comes. We lose convincingly and consistently. We're 6-21 (22% winning percentage) with 2 of those victories being against DII programs. These numbers are just too abysmal for me to feel confident about anything turning around next year..... As someone alluded to earlier, our coach did get fired at Tennessee State before any personal tragedies hit him. Furthermore, they fired him DURING THE SEASON. Things had gotten so dismal in Nashville that they didn't even wait until the end of the year to fire him. Think about that for a minute.....things were falling apart so badly at Tennessee State that they removed him before the season concluded. That's an eye-opener to me........
I'm not saying this to pile on the coach. I'm just speaking the truth. Like I've stated before, I really like Cy. He's a cool dude.......but he's a cool dude posting miserable results. When you amass a record that is less than minimal, I cannot go for that. What bothers me even further is that when you consider all the things our coach has gone throuugh, don't you think it would galvanize the team to play harder and try their best to win for him? They are losing to winless teams and are getting blown out (home and away) to average teams. They had a FULL WEEK to prepare for FAMU and Bethune-Cookman.....and they absolutely flunked both games. It's February....not January, December, or November. All I've asked for is some type of progress. I remember the AD telling me things would get better after we got Bremers for the spring semester.......THUD. We are just as bad now as we were in November. Some may argue that we've even regressed. This is unacceptable to me, especially when we have a coach who's been around the block as much as Cy has. I don't believe in giving lifelines to those who keep cutting the cord. It's year #3 under Cy ---- we have only won 4 out of 23 games against DI competition (.173 winning percentage).......these numbers are just too damn ridiculous for me to accept. I just don't see how anyone can look at all of these horrific numbers and truly feel comfortable that things will be much better next year. I have looked at this entire picture as objectively as I possibly can......he's done nothing to be given the privelege (yes, I said it - to be an Aggie head basketball coach is a privelege) to be the head coach of our program for a 4th year.
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