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Post by aggiejazz on Oct 19, 2007 9:00:51 GMT -5
Thank Goodness someone pulled out the record book. You should also put next to each year the conference titles that were won. You will see that Hayes has won the most MEAC titles for A&T and he has more conference titles, CIAA and MEAC, than any football coach that has ever stood on A&T's sidelines.
2003 is Small not Hayes at 10-3.
BTW, I have an answer to those who think I'm crazy on my 8-3 prediction. ;D
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Post by bluedeath91 on Oct 21, 2007 12:20:13 GMT -5
1988 Bill Hayes 2- 9 1989 Bill Hayes 5- 6 1990 Bill Hayes 9- 2 1991 Bill Hayes 9- 3 1992 Bill Hayes 9- 3 0-1 1993 Bill Hayes 8- 3 1994 Bill Hayes 6- 5 1995 Bill Hayes 4- 7 1996 Bill Hayes 8- 3 1997 Bill Hayes 7- 4 1998 Bill Hayes 8- 3 1999 Bill Hayes 11-1-1 1-1 2000 Bill Hayes 8- 3 2001 Bill Hayes 8- 3 2002 Bill Hayes 4- 8 2003 Bill Hayes 10- 3
1988-2003 Bill Hayes 16 117 77 0 .603
I use to post several years back under a different name, but I was fed up with all of the Hayes bashing. My question then was, and still is since when did we AGGIES old and new become so brain dead that we totally ignore where we were prior to Hayes, and where he lead us. If you look back to 1980's when he was kicking our azz at small division II WSSU, we went after him. He turned our program around and made it respectful without a fieldhouse, mondo surface track, weightroom,and a large video screen. How quickly we forget. It's no secret that he should have won six or seven MEAC titles in stead of 3, but to say he couldn't coach is crazy. With all the rumors that surrounding his firing, we must wonder if Renick mislead us much like he did our university as a whole. The curse of Bill Hayes is alive and if we think giving him a A&T helmet to honor him for all he did for us will ease the pain we are and will continue to be fooling ourselves.
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Post by dj98 on Oct 21, 2007 13:05:20 GMT -5
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you on point, People diss hayes but he brought in the W's........ This is an example of (you can't please everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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Post by Maxell on Oct 21, 2007 22:41:21 GMT -5
(bluedeath91) but he brought in the W's........ What he brought in was the PLAYERS.
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Post by dj98 on Oct 22, 2007 7:19:01 GMT -5
(What he brought in was the PLAYERS.)
To get the W's
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Post by Maxell on Oct 22, 2007 10:22:30 GMT -5
(What he brought in was the PLAYERS.) To get the W's You made my point. My point is that coaching was not what got the W's.
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Post by Bigboy on Oct 22, 2007 12:02:23 GMT -5
Part of being a good coach is being able to recognize talent and recruit the talent, and surround yourself with good asst. coaches. Hayes won because he could do that.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 22, 2007 13:27:45 GMT -5
Hayes had a few(very few)bad seasons and was let go. Smalls went 3-8, 3-8 and was let go. Fobbs is about to go 0-22. If he keeps his job something is really really wrong. The sad part is that I'm not 100% sure he will be fired at all for going 0-22. Our standards have sunk beyond low.
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Post by Maxell on Oct 22, 2007 15:13:11 GMT -5
Part of being a good coach is being able to recognize talent and recruit the talent, and surround yourself with good asst. coaches. Hayes won because he could do that. I know that. But there are three main elements to coaching: 1) Recognize and recruit talent 2) Teach the game 3) Make in-game decisions Hayes knew he had #1 taken care of. He made sure he had coaches that could do # 2. And #3 he just did the best he could, because the first two things covered a multitude of sins. Fobbs on the other hand, also thinks he can take care of #1 and with just one class so far he may be able to. He needs help with #2 badly and I think he knows his staff is inadequate but doesn't know how to fix it. And on #3, he doesn't have a clue IMO because he's never done it for real. You may not realize it but Fobbs is the same kind of coach Hayes was, a talent coach. Except he's only been at it a year and a half, he had no in-state ties and he doesn't have the money to get the assistants he needs because he didn't want to take a significant pay cut and made the mistake of thinking he could do it himself. As I said in another thread I'm not that fond of talent coaches but the good ones do win games. Changing sports for a minute, Phil Jackson and Pat Riley are talent coaches. They win. Greg Popovich (Spurs) is not and he wins too. Could Fobbs be 8-3? Yes. But I'm too impatient to wait for his slow learning azz. He'll never be 11-0, but then again neither was Hayes.
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Post by econgrad71 on Oct 22, 2007 18:19:01 GMT -5
(What he brought in was the PLAYERS.)
To get the W's
Part of being a good coach is being able to recognize talent and recruit the talent, and surround yourself with good asst. coaches. Hayes won because he could do that. Maxell writes: I know that. But there are three main elements to coaching: 1) Recognize and recruit talent 2) Teach the game 3) Make in-game decisions Hayes knew he had #1 taken care of. He made sure he had coaches that could do # 2. And #3 he just did the best he could, because the first two things covered a multitude of sins. Fobbs on the other hand, also thinks he can take care of #1 and with just one class so far he may be able to. He needs help with #2 badly and I think he knows his staff is inadequate but doesn't know how to fix it. And on #3, he doesn't have a clue IMO because he's never done it for real. You may not realize it but Fobbs is the same kind of coach Hayes was, a talent coach. Except he's only been at it a year and a half, he had no in-state ties and he doesn't have the money to get the assistants he needs because he didn't want to take a significant pay cut and made the mistake of thinking he could do it himself. As I said in another thread I'm not that fond of talent coaches but the good ones do win games. Changing sports for a minute, Phil Jackson and Pat Riley are talent coaches. They win. Greg Popovich (Spurs) is not and he wins too. Could Fobbs be 8-3? Yes. But I'm too impatient to wait for his slow learning azz. He'll never be 11-0, but then again neither was Hayes. AMEN!!!
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 30, 2007 21:18:53 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but when you lose a lot of close games and have a lot coming back while the opposition ain't returning much, you win more than you lose.
Next year we'll be solid.
The problem is I believe the year after that is a contract year and it will probably be ugly.
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