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Post by Bigboy on Oct 17, 2007 10:08:30 GMT -5
Everybody can cry the blues about firing Fobbs but he 's not going anywhere unless someone comes out of the blue with a a$$ load of money to buy him out, if not then he will be here until the end of his contract. We just have continue to support our team and pray that Fobbs can find a way to get the job done.
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Post by bluehaze on Oct 17, 2007 10:32:34 GMT -5
Forget the man's salary. He is in-line with what a head coach makes in the MEAC. As AggieOne stated: "There are 4 coaches in the MEAC getting paid higher", so saying he is over paid is ridiculous. It is NOT ridiculous. $165k for an UNPROVEN Head Coach or Co-ordinator was TOO MUCH MONEY. You don't start an entry level employee at the same salary as you start someone with 10 years experience. |
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 17, 2007 12:48:53 GMT -5
Forget the man's salary. He is in-line with what a head coach makes in the MEAC. As AggieOne stated: "There are 4 coaches in the MEAC getting paid higher", so saying he is over paid is ridiculous. It is NOT ridiculous. $165k for an UNPROVEN Head Coach or Co-ordinator was TOO MUCH MONEY. You don't start an entry level employee at the same salary as you start someone with 10 years experience. That's not my point. My point is that whether he makes 165K or 110K his head would still be on a platter right now, so why harp over it. If you got a regular job making 60K and the hiring range was 50-63K they would still fire your a$$ if you were doing a piss poor job and came in at 50K. They are not going to say "Well he came in at the minimum, so let him stay". No, your a$$ is fired. He got hired at the median for D1AA, so it shouldn't be a big deal. Everyone forgets that A&T is one of the larger MEAC schools. We SHOULD be about 5th on the pay scale no matter who we hire. You are not about to hire someone for 100K who position is slated for around 160K. Not going to happen. Our next coach will get about the same amount. |
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Post by bluehaze on Oct 17, 2007 13:52:49 GMT -5
That's not my point. My point is that whether he makes 165K or 110K his head would still be on a platter right now, so why harp over it. If you got a regular job making 60K and the hiring range was 50-63K they would still fire your a$$ if you were doing a piss poor job and came in at 50K. They are not going to say "Well he came in at the minimum, so let him stay". No, your a$$ is fired. People get hired and fired everyday based upon what salary they will accept and what salary they are making. You also don't expect an entry level employee (which Fobbs is) to have the same results as a senior employee (which he is getting paid for). Why is his position slated for $160k when the last two coaches didn't come close to that? Eaves took a very low amount to become a first time head coach, just to get his foot in the door. If you don't think there will be a line of qualified assistant coaches applying for this job at $115k you are fooling yourself. |
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Post by AggiePride on Oct 17, 2007 14:05:03 GMT -5
Just to drive us more crazy University of Buffalo head coach, Nebraska legend Turner Gill makes $183,000.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 17, 2007 14:15:25 GMT -5
You not feeling me. I dont care what he makes is the point I'm making. If it was 115K we would still be saying he sucks. That's all.
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Post by aggiedog on Oct 17, 2007 16:24:40 GMT -5
Aggie one you are on target with your remarks
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Post by econgrad71 on Oct 17, 2007 23:05:47 GMT -5
Give it a rest? What? We are going on our second straight o'fer and we have people talking about giving it a rest. This is what I'm talking about. People don't even want to remember when we used to win It's crazy. It's like accepting president Bush's actions because he's been bad for 7 years. Same mentality. I'm not letting up. These people have to go. lol "These people have to go." REALLY? I stand by what I said, regardless who likes or dislikes it. Hayes was one hell of a recruiter, but a lousy coach.... and people in the stands during games, and elsewhere, acknowledged that fact at the time. These are people who know the game...people I know and respect. Hayes coached fairly well as long as we were ahead...let us fall behind in a game and his ineptness became quite apparent. Our problem is, after Hayes we went with Small, a step back wards. If we had gone with a quality coach who could build a quality staff, and who could develop young men to their full potential, YOU and others wouldn't be ranting about the so-called-greatness of Hayes. I guess after what we've gone through the past 6 or 7 years, even Hayes' lackluster coaching skills begin to look somewhat favorable. However, our longing for the glory days of the past doesn't make Hayes' lack of coaching ability any better than what it was (or is)...i.e., mediocre at best! AGAIN I SAY, GIVE IT A REST...HAYES IS HISTORY. |
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Post by aahhbigboy on Oct 18, 2007 7:47:41 GMT -5
Give it a rest? What? We are going on our second straight o'fer and we have people talking about giving it a rest. This is what I'm talking about. People don't even want to remember when we used to win It's crazy. It's like accepting president Bush's actions because he's been bad for 7 years. Same mentality. I'm not letting up. These people have to go. lol "These people have to go." REALLY? I stand by what I said, regardless who likes or dislikes it. Hayes was one hell of a recruiter, but a lousy coach.... and people in the stands during games, and elsewhere, acknowledged that fact at the time. These are people who know the game...people I know and respect. Hayes coached fairly well as long as we were ahead...let us fall behind in a game and his ineptness became quite apparent. Our problem is, after Hayes we went with Small, a step back wards. If we had gone with a quality coach who could build a quality staff, and who could develop young men to their full potential, YOU and others wouldn't be ranting about the so-called-greatness of Hayes. I guess after what we've gone through the past 6 or 7 years, even Hayes' lackluster coaching skills begin to look somewhat favorable. However, our longing for the glory days of the past doesn't make Hayes' lack of coaching ability any better than what it was (or is)...i.e., mediocre at best! AGAIN I SAY, GIVE IT A REST...HAYES IS HISTORY. Pay attention everyone, this guy's attitude is the reason why we can forget about winning. Here's the thing, I actually thought that Hayes coaching was mediocre at best myself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But, he W's always fell in the right column. That further proves that it's not that hard and there is no excuse for Fobbs failing miserably. And Hayes is not history. Do you realize we haven't beat Central since he's been in charge there? God, what more does it takes. All I hear you (and anyone eles that agrees with you) saying is forget about the proven winner and embrace the loser. What is going on here? What if I told you to forget about the time we were Kings in Africa. That's history. Let's just focus on what we can do now. Doesn't that sound ludicrous? How do you know where you're going if you have no idea where you've been as well as where you are? I am glad I joined this message board, now I understand why this guy has been able to go O'fer for 2 going on 3 seasons. He has supporters..............and why I don't know. lol |
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Post by treese on Oct 18, 2007 8:02:51 GMT -5
Give it a rest? What? We are going on our second straight o'fer and we have people talking about giving it a rest. This is what I'm talking about. People don't even want to remember when we used to win It's crazy. It's like accepting president Bush's actions because he's been bad for 7 years. Same mentality. I'm not letting up. These people have to go. lol "These people have to go." REALLY? I stand by what I said, regardless who likes or dislikes it. Hayes was one hell of a recruiter, but a lousy coach.... and people in the stands during games, and elsewhere, acknowledged that fact at the time. These are people who know the game...people I know and respect. Hayes coached fairly well as long as we were ahead...let us fall behind in a game and his ineptness became quite apparent. Our problem is, after Hayes we went with Small, a step back wards. If we had gone with a quality coach who could build a quality staff, and who could develop young men to their full potential, YOU and others wouldn't be ranting about the so-called-greatness of Hayes. I guess after what we've gone through the past 6 or 7 years, even Hayes' lackluster coaching skills begin to look somewhat favorable. However, our longing for the glory days of the past doesn't make Hayes' lack of coaching ability any better than what it was (or is)...i.e., mediocre at best! AGAIN I SAY, GIVE IT A REST...HAYES IS HISTORY. YOU DAMN RIGHT HAYES IS HISTORY ALRIGHT....... A&T's HISTORY.............................................................!!! Looking back......we didn't know we had it so good...UNTIL the L's started rolling in............! I know one thing........I'm tired of these L's!!!! WE ARE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF HBCU FOOTBALL.......! I'm in shock and can't believe this happened to Dear Ole A&T |
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Post by econgrad71 on Oct 19, 2007 1:13:37 GMT -5
aahhbigboy...!! You're a funny guy... full of humor; I like that.
"Pay attention everyone, this guy's attitude is the reason why we can forget about winning."
Really?... Why is that? Is it because I disagree with you and others regarding Hayes? OK...so be it.
"Here's the thing, I actually thought that Hayes coaching was mediocre at best myself"
Well. at least we agree on something.
"That further proves that it's not that hard and there is no excuse for Fobbs failing miserably."
See... there are 2 things we agree on. Apparently you think that I am pro Fobbs. Not really. I strongly supported him in the beginning because I too wanted to get back to my AGGIE winning ways that I've followed and love since the mid- 50s... maybe before you were born.
"Do you realize we haven't beat Central since he's been in charge there?"
Yeah... and he's not coaching; that's a good thing for Central.
"God, what more does it takes. All I hear you (and anyone else that agrees with you) saying is forget about the proven winner and embrace the loser."
I think I've adequately addressed that point.
"What is going on here? What if I told you to forget about the time we were Kings in Africa. That's history. Let's just focus on what we can do now. Doesn't that sound ludicrous? How do you know where you're going if you have no idea where you've been as well as where you are?"
You know, you had me going there for a moment; you were making some good observations until you blew it with your 'soap-box, philosophical BS' about we as kings in Africa (as proud as I am of my African heritage, I fail to see the connection or your point).
"I am glad I joined this message board, now I understand why this guy has been able to go O'fer for 2 going on 3 seasons. He has supporters..............and why I don't know."
Yeah...I'm glad you joined this message board too. I was pulling real hard for Fobbs, as most everyone else on this message board were in the beginning. I wanted so badly for my AGGIES to kick the sh@# out the likes of FAMU (I have many FAMU friends), Hampton (my wife is a Hampton grad), Howard (my son is a Howard grad) and every other MEAC school for that matter (I may be paranoid, but I know everyone loves to beat the AGGIES). I bear the brunt of a lot of nasty, humiliating jokes because of our predicament. I want us to start winning like yesterday. And, I was/am tired of playing 'musical chairs' with our coaches (both football and basketball). Other MEAC schools can hire good coaches, e.g., SCSU, Delaware St, Hampton, Norfolk...just to name a few; why the hell can't we? So, I pulled real hard for Fobbs... and now I have begun to lose patience, hope and confidence in this guy as many on this board have. But that in no way causes me to wish for Hayes... even with the Ws he accumulated over the years (I've addressed that point many times before, as well). We deserve better that Hayes, definitely better than Small, and now I'm beginning to agree that we deserve someone better than Fobbs at the HC position. Go back to Hayes?...heck no! Look for someone with strong A-1 HC experience.. hell yeah.
Now, I'm finished with this topic... I've said all I have to say about Hayes, Small, Fobbs, et. al.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 19, 2007 7:00:34 GMT -5
Who was Central's AD in 2004?
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Post by firefobbs on Oct 19, 2007 7:41:04 GMT -5
What credentials do you have to say that Hayes cant coach? Have you played or coached football? You talkin about the 50's so that lets me know that if you played then you played without a facemask. Im not defending Hayes, but I have enough sense not to say that he couldnt coach. Yea he could recruit, but recruiting is 90% of coaching. Who have you ever seen be successful without good players i.e. Phil Jackson, Joe Torre, Dean Smith, Roy Williams, etc. At one point or another I have heard people say that these guys couldnt coach. Coaching is a double edged sword. If you win and have players then you were supposed to win. If you have players and dont reach your potential (nba title, national title, meac title) then you cant coach in most people's eyes. Enough with the Hayes couldnt coach bs!!! He proved himself over a long period of time. He went 3-8 in his last season with young players. Smalls turns around and wins the MEAC with his players. Same thing with Roy Thomas, he won the MEAC in his first season with Capel's players. Could Thomas coach? I think we are looking at a perfect example of someone who cant coach, Lee Fobbs aka I cant get a win aka winless as a head coach aka what does the W mean in the win loss column aka im stealing money. Analyze this, Fobbs has a 0% winning percentage as a head coach. This is his first head coaching job. How you bring in a guy who has to be 50 years old and never been head coach. Ill get back to you guys, I have Dee Todd aka i hire coaches who have never been head coaches aka i must go too aka anybody know what Stephanie's lunch special is today, coming to my office at 9 this morning. I gotta finish typing up this pink slip.
PS Is her real name Dee, I want to get the name right on the pink slip. My assistant is working on Big Lee's slip. Ill be standing in the end zone tomorrow after the loss so I can put it in his hand.
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Post by dj98 on Oct 19, 2007 7:46:15 GMT -5
(Fobbs aka I cant get a win aka winless as a head coach aka what does the W mean in the win loss column aka im stealing money)
Damn!!!!!!
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Post by firefobbs on Oct 19, 2007 7:52:41 GMT -5
Peep these numbers!!!!!! Dont forget to add the losses for this season to Fobbs record.
Location: Greensboro, North Carolina
Total Enrollment: 11,000
Founded: 1891
Nickname: Aggies
Colors: Navy Blue & Old Gold
Conference: Mid-Eastern Athletic
Stadium: Aggie Stadium (23,000)
Surface: Natural Grass
Mascot: Aggie the Bulldog
President: Dr. James C. Renick
Athletic Director: Delores Todd
Head Coach: Lee Fobbs, Jr
Coaching and Team History
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Year Coach Overall Playoff Games
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1924 Lonnie Byarm 4-1-4
1925 Lonnie Byarm 4-3-3
1926 Lonnie Byarm 7- 2
1927 Lonnie Byarm 8- 0
1928 Lonnie Byarm 3-4-2
1929 Lonnie Byarm 2- 6
1930 Harry Jefferson 4-5-1
1931 Harry Jefferson 3- 5
1932 Inman Breaux 2- 5
1933 Inman Breaux 3-3-3
1934 Inman Breaux 7- 1
1935 Inman Breaux 1-8-1
1936 Inman Breaux 5- 4
1937 Inman Breaux 2-4-3
1938 Inman Breaux 3-5-1
1939 Homer Harris 8-6-4
1940 Homer Harris 4-4-1
1941 R.Bernard 3- 6
1942 Charles DeBerry 2- 7
1943 Charles DeBerry 4- 0
1944 Charles DeBerry 1- 3
1945 Horace Bell 2- 5
1946 William Bell 4- 4
1947 William Bell 1-5-1
1948 William Bell 4-2-1
1949 William Bell 7- 2
1950 William Bell 6-2-1
1951 William Bell 7-1-1
1952 William Bell 6- 4
1953 William Bell 4- 4
1954 William Bell 4- 6
1955 William Bell 4-1-3
1956 William Bell 4- 4
1957 Bert Piggot 4-3-1
1958 Bert Piggot 7- 2
1959 Bert Piggot 6- 2
1960 Bert Piggot 5-3-1
1961 Bert Piggot 5- 4
1962 Bert Piggot 6- 3
1963 Bert Piggot 7- 3
1964 Bert Piggot 6-3-1
1965 Bert Piggot 4- 5
1966 Bert Piggot 3- 6
1967 Bert Piggot 2-5-1
1968 Hornsby Howell 8- 1
1969 Hornsby Howell 6-2-1
1970 Hornsby Howell 4- 6
1971 Hornsby Howell 6-4-1
1972 Hornsby Howell 8- 2
1973 Hornsby Howell 4-6-1
1974 Hornsby Howell 5- 6
1975 Hornsby Howell 8- 3
1976 Hornsby Howell 6-4-1
1977 Jim McKinley 7- 4
1978 Jim McKinley 5- 6
1979 Jim McKinley 5-6-1
1980 Jim McKinley 9- 3
1981 Jim McKinley 3- 5
1982 Mo Forte 2- 8
1983 Mo Forte 4-6-1
1984 Mo Forte 3- 7
1985 Mo Forte 6- 5
1986 Mo Forte 9- 3 0-1
1987 Mo Forte 3- 7
1988 Bill Hayes 2- 9
1989 Bill Hayes 5- 6
1990 Bill Hayes 9- 2
1991 Bill Hayes 9- 3
1992 Bill Hayes 9- 3 0-1
1993 Bill Hayes 8- 3
1994 Bill Hayes 6- 5
1995 Bill Hayes 4- 7
1996 Bill Hayes 8- 3
1997 Bill Hayes 7- 4
1998 Bill Hayes 8- 3
1999 Bill Hayes 11-1-1 1-1
2000 Bill Hayes 8- 3
2001 Bill Hayes 8- 3
2002 Bill Hayes 4- 8
2003 Bill Hayes 10- 3
2004 George Small 3- 8
2005 George Small 3- 8
2006 Lee Fobbs, Jr. 0- 11
Overall Record: 415-347-40 (.531) I-AA Playoff Record: 1-3
North Carolina A&T Coaching Records
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Years Name # of Years Won Lost Tie Pct.
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1924-29 Lonnie Byarm 6 28 16 9 .583
1930-31 Harry Jefferson 2 7 10 2 .389
1932-38 Inman Breauz 7 23 30 8 .404
1939-40 Homer Harris 2 8 6 4 .552
1941 R. Bernard 1 3 6 0 .333
1942-44 Charles DeBerry 3 7 10 0 .412
1945 Horace Bell 1 2 5 0 .286
1946-56 William Bell 11 51 35 7 .573
1957-67 Bert Piggot 11 55 39 2 .585
1968-76 Hornsby Howell 10 47 34 4 .573
1977-81 Jim McKinley 5 34 24 0 .586
1982-87 Mo Forte 6 27 36 1 .429
1988-2003 Bill Hayes 16 117 77 0 .603
2004-2005 George Small 2 6 16 0 .273
2006- Lee Fobbs, Jr. 1 0 11 0 .000
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