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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 18, 2011 9:57:30 GMT -5
I understand the concerns about pricing but should everyone get paid but A&T. On A&T Homecoming week the following make money above the normal weekend outside of holidays: Grocery stores; liquor stores, hotels, restaurants and clubs. So everyone should get paid but A&T - the main reason why people show up for the weekend? Everybody and every business establishment of every race get paid except the black institution that created this huge festival? Why does the black man always have to give the hookup, so that black people who have enjoyed his products/works used that extra money to spend it with white folks, per se? The actual homecoming starts about 9am and ends about 6pm so everyone can carry their azz back home without staying one night in Greensboro if they so chose to save money. Don't go cheap on A&T, don't go cheap on the family institution. Buy an A&T ticket. I brought up race to show a stark reality of what black folks are willing to spend money on and with whom, during an historical black event. how can you say a thing like that when a&t was charging up to $120 per ticket to see the stylistics and manhattans for homecoming? might i add, the show "completely" soldout! where do you think the proceeds go? i've seen both of these groups recently in the dc area for less than $50 a pop, plus more goups. and, the alumni dance wasn't free either. what institution do you suppose those proceeds went to? that's a bunch of bull if you really think a&t ain't making no money on homecoming. who is suppose to believe that? just check out the price of homecoming game tickets 10 years or so ago and compare it to today if you don't think a&t is making money on homecoming. look at our average game attendance and concession sales at regular home football games compared to homecoming if you don't think a&t is making money on homecoming. check out the price of a regular home game ticket compared to the price of a homecoming ticket if you don't think a&t is making money on homecoming. i could go on and on. to suggest that a&t isn't making "boatloads" of money on it's own homecoming is "disingenuous" at the very least. again, folk need to stop hiding behind the "a&t needs to raise funds" alibi as justification for the fan zone because the fan zone ain't raising no funds for a&t. if anything, it's losing funds for a&t. i have yet to read an explanation on this site as to how the fan zone has "increased" revenue this year or any other year in the future. history clearly shows that aggie ticket purchases are dictated by the performance of our football team, not some lame azz fan zone. ain't nobody gonna pay $35 just to enter the fan zone if they have no interest in seeing the football game, they just aren't! a blind man can see that! the fan zone is a total waste of money if its intentions are to increase revenue. sure, it makes some folk feel good because they feel cheated that they purchase tickets to see the game but (in the past) other folk chose to hang around outside the stadium for free. big friggin' deal! so what if some folk choose to hang around outside? putting up a fence ain't gone make them buy a $35 ticket! the money that went into the construction of the fan zone could've been better spent elsewhere in the athletic department like funding the volleyball team or more scholarships for the football team. what a total waste of funds...
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Post by saabman on Oct 18, 2011 9:59:49 GMT -5
Good point !!
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Post by aggie2ru on Oct 18, 2011 10:57:52 GMT -5
I would also like to see the tangible (cash money) results of the "fan zone" concept.
A whole lotta people who are Aggie alums that I talked to did not like it or the atmosphere.
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Post by Gator on Oct 18, 2011 11:08:11 GMT -5
A whole lot of people I talked to, did!
This trivial! Let's move on...
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Post by Aggie77 on Oct 18, 2011 11:13:17 GMT -5
That’s not a good point, that just being misinformed.
Only the misinformed would think A&T is making a" boatload" of money. How big is the Sheraton Ballroom, 1500? After the Alumni Association pays the promoter, the talent, the house they’re lucky to get $50 a ticket, is that your so-called boatload. Please show me this "boatload" of money A&T is making, a newspaper article, an audit report, anything other than your limited knowledge of the financial details of the events around Homecoming, as represented in your post.
Ten years ago? This is probably the most troubling statement in your post. Heck ten ago the price of gas was $1.50 a gallon. Do you see anybody selling gas for that? What’s your point, that there should be a Wal-Mart price roll-back? The cost is the cost, normally people who don’t want pay don't go. Only you seem to have a problem with that concept. Why? Are you now advocating for an all free Homecoming, if not why not, that seems to be your mantra. Do you think the cost to go to A&T increased at the same rate as the student athletic fees?
You keep clamoring for proof of increased revenue resulting from the Game Zone concept. You do realize that there is no data yet, no way or the other, because this is the first year and the year isn’t over. But there is apparently history of successful implementation at other schools. So what is your point?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 18, 2011 11:32:34 GMT -5
my point is, show me how the fan zone has and will increase revenue, period, point blank. otherwise, its a total waste. i'm still waiting on that explanation.
and regarding that concert, just how expensive do you think a 60 year old r&b group costs to host? do you really think the stylistics and manhattans are in high demand? man, pub-leeeeze. ain't nobody knocking down doors to see no stylistics and manhattans. their day was in the 70's, its now 2011! show me any place else in the country that charged $120 per ticket to see the stylistics and manhattans? man, what a joke...
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Post by saabman on Oct 18, 2011 11:44:25 GMT -5
@ Aggie 77. oleschoolaggie made his point Misinformed are not> You also made your point. But what I have a problem with is this. Why are Kids, high school students and other College Students charged the same price as the Adults for a ticket (IF that is the case). Can someone please tell me why ?? Don't give me that we need the money because other schools need the money also but they have a rate for Kids, high schools and other college students W/ID. SO WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH A&T DOING THE SAME ? EXPLAIN this to me???
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Post by DECKS on Oct 18, 2011 11:49:06 GMT -5
Hilton is following a proven model so this concept wasn't thrown together without research and planning. A lot of SC State fans made the same exact complaints when they implemented their version. Three years later they've made an additional $300,000 and reduced costs associated with non-paying tailgaters. Make no mistake, this is not something he wanted to implement. He said it is purely revenue driven. The bottom line is if we don't have more people contribute financially then we're going to see more of these type of decisions in the future.
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Post by DECKS on Oct 18, 2011 11:55:18 GMT -5
@ Aggie 77. oleschoolaggie made his point Misinformed are not> You also made your point. But what I have a problem with is this. Why are Kids, high school students and other College Students charged the same price as the Adults for a ticket (IF that is the case). Can someone please tell me why ?? Don't give me that we need the money because other schools need the money also but they have a rate for Kids, high schools and other college students W/ID. SO WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH A&T DOING THE SAME ? EXPLAIN this to me??? A&T students get into the game without any additional cost (paid thru activity fees). Other students pay a reduced ticket price.
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Post by saabman on Oct 18, 2011 12:17:47 GMT -5
Thanks DECKs .
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 18, 2011 12:19:37 GMT -5
@ Aggie 77. oleschoolaggie made his point Misinformed are not> You also made your point. But what I have a problem with is this. Why are Kids, high school students and other College Students charged the same price as the Adults for a ticket (IF that is the case). Can someone please tell me why ?? Don't give me that we need the money because other schools need the money also but they have a rate for Kids, high schools and other college students W/ID. SO WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH A&T DOING THE SAME ? EXPLAIN this to me??? They dont pay full price and current A&T students are free.
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Post by Aggie77 on Oct 18, 2011 12:20:07 GMT -5
@ Aggie 77. oleschoolaggie made his point Misinformed are not> You also made your point. But what I have a problem with is this. Why are Kids, high school students and other College Students charged the same price as the Adults for a ticket (IF that is the case). Can someone please tell me why ?? Don't give me that we need the money because other schools need the money also but they have a rate for Kids, high schools and other college students W/ID. SO WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH A&T DOING THE SAME ? EXPLAIN this to me??? Where did you hear that was the case? There is not a student/kid price for the reserve section, a issue I know very welcome. www.ncat.edu/~tickets/policy.htmOther Students Tickets : These tickets are made are available to students enrolled at other universities. A valid, current year University I.D. must accompany the ticket at time of entry to an event. If the visiting student I.D. is not presented at time of entry, patron will be asked to pay the difference between the other student priced ticket and an adult priced ticket. This ticket is also available to students between the ages of 13-18. All other student tickets are general admission. Children's tickets : Children's tickets are available for children 12 years and younger. If a child is between the ages of 13-18 years old they may purchase student tickets, based on availability and event. All children's tickets are general admission. General Admission Tickets : General Admission tickets are not seat specific. General admission tickets are age specific. Reserved Seat Tickets : Reserved seats have a specified section, row and seat. There are no price levels for reserved seat tickets. All tickets are the same price, regardless of ticket bearer. Please be advised that if a ticket bearer is in possession of an inappropriate ticket and refuses to take corrective action, the ticket office will exercise the right to refuse admittance. There are no refunds or exchanges. All event times, dates and venues are subject to change without notice. Resale of ticket on university premises is prohibited and punishable to the full extent of the law. The ticket office reserves the right to refuse admittance to anyone who is under the influence of alcohol or any illegal substance. www.ncat.edu/~tickets/schedule.htmPrice Tables BB Reserve Tickets $15.00 General Admission - Adult $10.00 General Admission - Child $ 5.00 (under 13) FB Reserved Tickets $30.00 $35.00 (NCCU) $45.00 (Homecoming) General Admission - Adult $25.00 $30.00 (NCCU) $35.00 ( Homecoming) General Admission - Child $10.00 (age 12 & under) $ 15.00 (Homecoming) General Admission - Other Student $ 15.00 $ 20.00 (Homecoming & NCCU)
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 18, 2011 12:24:55 GMT -5
Hilton is following a proven model so this concept wasn't thrown together without research and planning. A lot of SC State fans made the same exact complaints when they implemented their version. Three years later they've made an additional $300,000 and reduced costs associated with non-paying tailgaters. Make no mistake, this is not something he wanted to implement. He said it is purely revenue driven. The bottom line is if we don't have more people contribute financially then we're going to see more of these type of decisions in the future. i keep saying this until i'm "aggie blue" in the face. but for about the last 8 years or so, scsu has "dominated" meac football, they're the face of meac football. how could "anybody" in their right mind compare our program that has been the absolute "worst" in all of hbcu football for the last 8 years, to one that has been the best over the last 8 years? there's a high demand for scsu football, whereas there's not a high demand for a&t football. i understand the comparison, we're both hbcu's. but our football programs are "total opposites". if we're gonna study a model, we should study a model that's similar to ours, not one that's the total opposite. show me a fan zone that's been successful for a program that loss 27 games in a row from 2005 to 2007, followed by losing season records of 3-8, 4-6, and 1-10, then it would make sense. scsu has won 3 consecutive meac championships. not a good model to compare a&t to...
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Post by captaggie on Oct 18, 2011 12:37:30 GMT -5
Be realistic oldschoolaggie. How do you expect to find a model comparable to our last six years?
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Post by aggiebred09 on Oct 18, 2011 12:40:57 GMT -5
You keep clamoring for proof of increased revenue resulting from the Game Zone concept. You do realize that there is no data yet, no way or the other, because this is the first year and the year isn’t over. It doesn't take a year to do a cost analysis mid-stream. Compare the numbers (attendance, sales, concessions etc) for the games played with those played last year then factor in the expenses. Most companies do mid-year financial reports. If we (A&T) are being real about making money then we should be constantly re-evaluating decisions instead of simple season to season adjustments. In other words, there is plenty of data, just not plenty of effort to utilize it.
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