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Post by aggie on Jul 27, 2011 14:38:45 GMT -5
i really don't mean to come across as negative towards shumate...seriously. I just think he isn't as great a baseball coach as many on here claim he is. Great guy? absolutely. Great baseball coach? not really. Great baseball coach given his circumstances/support? maybe.
A&T has and has had enough talent, especially the past couple of years, to win way more than he has.
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Post by aggiebred09 on Jul 27, 2011 15:19:20 GMT -5
i really don't mean to come across as negative towards shumate...seriously. I just think he isn't as great a baseball coach as many on here claim he is. Great guy? absolutely. Great baseball coach? not really. Great baseball coach given his circumstances/support? maybe. A&T has and has had enough talent, especially the past couple of years, to win way more than he has. I disagree... I have seen first hand the troubles that team has had. You can have a team full of talent (Miami Heat) but that dont mean nothing when it comes down to the nuts and bolts, which by the way we probably couldnt afford. Shumate was an excellent coach. Do you think FAMU would waste the money putting him on staff?
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Post by aggie1 on Jul 27, 2011 22:38:28 GMT -5
Hey "Aggie" - You don't know squat about baseball and coaching. Shumate was an outstanding coach and recruiter. Without his knowledge our baseball program would have 'sucked' because he got no support at all and he still was a winner. I don't know the 3 coaches you are talking about but I bet none will be successful as him. I don't know what you were looking at or what you are on to say they would be an upgrade over Shumate. Any knowledgeable person that knows sports and the history of our athletic department knows Shumate was a good coach who was screwed by us.
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Post by aggie on Jul 27, 2011 23:09:02 GMT -5
it is laughable that everyone on here seems to think Shumate was this Connie Mack-type coach. I have no personal vendetta against the man. However, to say he was an outstanding coach is a HUGE stretch...to say he was an outstanding recruiter is even more of a huge stretch.
Have you ever seen an A&T baseball practice? game? A&T had the most poorly run, ill-prepared teams I have ever seen. They won games in the MEAC because aside from Bethune the league is terrible. Games were won almost by default.
The 3 guys I know of ARE more successful than him NOW...any one of them would coach circles around Shumate and out-recruit him without even hardly trying.
I know more baseball and baseball coaching at the college level than you and most everyone here- fact.
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Post by jr42 on Jul 28, 2011 8:54:53 GMT -5
Fact is Shumate took the program when no one else including you probably had the guts. Tell us these guys if they are so better than Shumate! These coaching obviously didn't have the courage to do what he did. Baseball is not supported even in attendance. Shumate did a great job we will see what the administration does, hopefully they will take the best candidate and give him what he needs to win.
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Post by aggiejazz on Jul 28, 2011 9:30:34 GMT -5
it is laughable that everyone on here seems to think Shumate was this Connie Mack-type coach. I have no personal vendetta against the man. However, to say he was an outstanding coach is a HUGE stretch...to say he was an outstanding recruiter is even more of a huge stretch. Have you ever seen an A&T baseball practice? game? A&T had the most poorly run, ill-prepared teams I have ever seen. They won games in the MEAC because aside from Bethune the league is terrible. Games were won almost by default. The 3 guys I know of ARE more successful than him NOW...any one of them would coach circles around Shumate and out-recruit him without even hardly trying. I know more baseball and baseball coaching at the college level than you and most everyone here- fact. I have deduced it down to one of two things as it concerns Aggie's series of negative posts about Shumate: he really hates Shumate or he is a wannabe baseball guy that has just enough baseball knowledge to be dangerously wrong most of the time. If you want to know know how good a coach Shumate is, then ask people in the business like coaches at UNC, NC State, ECU, Elon, and UNCG. These are the programs that A&T played against and that Shumate recruited against for some players. Pull these coaches aside and talk to them when you attend a game when A&T is playing them. Some coaches will say a lot more in private than in public, most if not all in praises of Shumate. Publicly, the BCU and Clemson coaches have lauded Shumate. Also, if you know baseball, checkout what other programs have in equipment and facilities that helps improve their baseball players and then see what A&T has.
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Post by aggie on Jul 28, 2011 20:06:00 GMT -5
I know the coaches at Elon, High Point, UNCG, State, UNC, and ECU personally. I also know the pro scouts in the area personally. They all liked him fine. They also know that A&T was an automatic win on their schedule.
The 3 applicants for this job that I refer to are:
Alan Ashkinazy- owner of Greensboro Batting Center Ken Carlyle- former Greensboro College head coach John Barrow- current GTCC head coach
My vote would be for Barrow- young guy, almost 10 years of HEAD COACH experience dealing with meager at best budgets and NO facilites at all. GTCC was two wins away from going to the JUCO World Series in only the fourth year of existence. Barrow was also an assistant at two DI schools (App St and Tulane).
Carlyle won consistently at GC and has pro and major DI experience as a player
Ashkinazy is wildly popular and one of the best, if not THE best, hitting instructor in the Triad.
All three are great baseball guys, with the background to be successful at A&T.
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Post by aggie1 on Jul 28, 2011 23:30:35 GMT -5
"AGGIE" - I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND DON'T WANT TO KNOW. YOU ARE A HOPELESS JOKESTER. YOU CAN'T BE THAT DUMB ABOUT EVALUATING COACHES AND SPORTS PROGRAMS.
YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS ABOUT YOUR STATEMENTS. HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN AN AGGIE?
YOU ARE REALLY MAKING AN a$$ OF YOURSELF WITH YOUR PREJUDICE DUMB STATEMENTS.
THAT'S WHAT IT IS ... SHUMATE IS 'WHITE'. DAMN!!
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Post by numberonebrave on Jul 29, 2011 6:22:57 GMT -5
(They also know that A&T was an automatic win on their schedule.) What has been the results of the A&T V UNCG games in recent years? I thought A&T won a few of those games..Not sure about HP.
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Post by aggie on Jul 29, 2011 9:58:17 GMT -5
"AGGIE" - I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND DON'T WANT TO KNOW. YOU ARE A HOPELESS JOKESTER. YOU CAN'T BE THAT DUMB ABOUT EVALUATING COACHES AND SPORTS PROGRAMS. YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS ABOUT YOUR STATEMENTS. HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN AN AGGIE? YOU ARE REALLY MAKING AN a$$ OF YOURSELF WITH YOUR PREJUDICE DUMB STATEMENTS. THAT'S WHAT IT IS ... SHUMATE IS 'WHITE'. DAMN!! are you really playing the race card? what is prejudicial about what I said or have been saying? I guess when you can't come back with anything intelligent or meaningful, then you have to play the race card. Who is really making an a$$ out of himself now? Sorry that the truth really hurts, but that is what it is. No wonder A&T athletics as a whole is a laughing stock- seems like most folks like you are happy with mediocrity. Don't complain when things don't get any better.
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Post by aggiebred09 on Jul 29, 2011 11:14:35 GMT -5
"Aggie" you cant be serious. I think you are definitely not as aware of the A&T Baseball situation as you think you are. A good coach in a horrible program doesn't equal wins. Shumate is a proven coach, if not FAMU wouldn't have wasted salary on him. We don't have what it takes to concentrate the correct resources in baseball.
Maybe you are just "buddy buddy" with some of these Greensboro folks your hyping up as so much better than Shumate. I hope you plan on financially supporting the new coach and the team because they're gonna need it.
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Post by aggie on Jul 29, 2011 11:47:59 GMT -5
"Aggie" you cant be serious. I think you are definitely not as aware of the A&T Baseball situation as you think you are. A good coach in a horrible program doesn't equal wins. Shumate is a proven coach, if not FAMU wouldn't have wasted salary on him. We don't have what it takes to concentrate the correct resources in baseball. Maybe you are just "buddy buddy" with some of these Greensboro folks your hyping up as so much better than Shumate. I hope you plan on financially supporting the new coach and the team because they're gonna need it. If the situation is that bad, then discontinue the program. Period. It is really not that difficult of a decision to make. If the athletic department is in the dire straits that everyone says, then this is the only option. Maybe they should reconsider the 6-figure salaries they have given the football coaches the past few years. That hasn't quite worked out either. A good coach can turn around a horrible program. The 3 I mentioned could definitely do more with less better than Shumate. I know them, but we don't exchange Christmas cards.
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Post by aggie1 on Jul 30, 2011 8:03:05 GMT -5
"AGGIE" - YOU ARE HOPELESS. WHAT DO YOU THINK SHUMATE DID FOR OUR PROGRAM - HE TURNED THAT HORRIBLE PROGRAM AROUND. THAT IS A FACT.
YOU KEEP BRAGGING ABOUT YOU KNOW THIS PERSON AND THAT PERSON. IF SO, HOW ABOUT GETTING ONE OF THESE SUPER COACHES TO COME TO A&T AND CONTINUE OUT SHUMATES SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM WITH A SORRY a$$ BUDGET. CAN YOU?
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Post by jr42 on Jul 30, 2011 9:45:49 GMT -5
A and T has swept hpu and uncg in the last couple of years. the coaches you speak of besides ashkinazy dont have good track records you are blind to think that shhmate didn't do a great job.
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Post by aggie on Jul 30, 2011 10:02:40 GMT -5
A and T has swept hpu and uncg in the last couple of years. the coaches you speak of besides ashkinazy dont have good track records you are blind to think that shhmate didn't do a great job. don't have good track records??? care to elaborate?
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