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Post by Aggie77 on May 18, 2011 9:08:20 GMT -5
77, flattery gets you nowhere! ;D but here's the disconnect i believe. apparently, you don't seem to believe that "winning football" makes a major difference whether fans are willing to pay "premium" dollars to be a part of game day festivities or not. whereas i think that it does, as evidenced by the fact that our attendance figures are very much proportional to whether we have a winning program or not. i think if you looked at the hayes era when aggie football was consistently on the meac championship level, our attendance figures were through the roof. now, of course that momentum carried over to the small era and even the first year or so of the fobbs era. but i believe starting with fobbs' second season going "ofa", we started seeing our attendance figures decline. then after fobbs got fired, we saw a bump up in attendance when coach lee came onboard because we'd broken the losing streak the year before with 3 wins and we won our first two games against wssu and nsu under coach lee. folks were excited again. but then came the 1-10 season and we start losing attendance again. 77, to me, winning makes all the difference in the world! folks' attitudes change when you have a winning program. they're more willing to accept ticket price increases and they'd be more willing to accept this new fan zone concept as well. that's why i say comparing scsu's fan zone experience to a&t's is apples to oranges. raise ticket prices or enforce a fan zone at scsu (which is the only show in orangeburg), and folks will complain less because they have a premium product and pretty much nothing else to do. not so in greensboro. we're surrounded by the acc and the ciaa, plus we don't have a premium product. i honestly expect our folk to be more hostile than scsu's. if not hostile, certainly more offended. if you went to your local grocery store where you're not very fond of their products and they demand you to pay a fee before you're allowed to enter the store, wouldn't you feel offended and go some place else? whereas, if that same grocery store had products that are very superior to most others and they charged you fee to get in, wouldn't you feel less offended because their products may make the fee worth it? well, that's how i see our fan zone compared to scsu's fan zone. totally different attitude if we were winning. i've never said i'm against the fan zone concept, i just think the timing is wrong to do it the way they're doing it this season... That's just it; winning wouldn't change the mindset of those against the Game Zone, tailgaters (only) aren't paying a premium they are paying the same as you and me, and I don’t get that grocery store analogy at all, that makes no sense. Why would I go to grocery store that I wasn’t fond of their products? That statement alone should get you stripped of the “poster of the year” title. If you said they were charging for a bag, I might be able to draw a line. Oh, but wait a minute . . . grocery stores do charge for bags now. See, it’s about the mindset. All that other stuff about attendance, is just that, stuff, and make for good commentary, and maybe a fond memories for those that wish Bill Hayes was walking through the door. I contend that the uproar would be greater for a winning program than, a losing program, simply because the interest level is higher. This is why now is the best time to implement the GAME ZONE, when the winning starts, it will be part of the mindset. Then you can establish a multiple tier ticket structure to accommodate attendance in excess of capacity, until then what’s the point? Under the current plan capacity is stressed at most twice this year and once next year (unless WSSU reappears). Not against the GAME ZONE , really, remember these words: “dumb move” “will hurt paying customers more than those who come just to tailgate” “[what] fan zone will do is drastically diminish the aggie game day atmosphere” “our game day atmosphere will be like a ghost town” “my tickets will be drastically devalued” “IT DOES NOT MAKE BUSINESS SENSE” “all we're doing is making the experience "less desirable" for those of us who do purchase tickets” In your unbiased opinion, does this sound like a person in support of the GAME ZONE?
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Post by aggiebred09 on May 18, 2011 9:33:02 GMT -5
I wonder what other options were on the table besides the Game Zone? Was their a comparison or cost analysis done on different alternatives such as charging for parking or increasing ticket prices? How certain are they that the Game Zone was the best move at this time? Is SCSU the only school model we are following and is there a program that has ever implemented their Zone in the midst of several losing seasons? It basically sounds like they decided since folk don't want to pay more to get in the game then charge em to sit outside? That sounds more like a tactic to turn people off then draw them in. Almost like negative reinforcement.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 18, 2011 11:05:40 GMT -5
Our attendance was not really "through the roof" when we were winning. It was better for the casual game, like a Deleware or Norfolk, but it definitely wasn't through the roof. Most games had modest crowds unless it was homecoming or something on the line at the end of the year. Its just our fans nature. It cant be helped. the mentality needs to be changed and I think it starts with something like not allowing people without tickets to the game to tailgate next to the stadium. There is no better time to implement this. What, we are suppose to wait until we are 5-5 or 7-3. Or maybe we wait until we win the MEAC? Whats the threshold? Like we keep saying, it will still be people bitchin about it. Maybe not everyone, but if its a money thing like some are saying then the bitching will be the same. monster, that's "your own" interpretation of "through the roof", not mind. and since when do we take every single word on this website literally? the point i was making is that our attendance figures were at or near an all time high during the hayes era. not even you can dispute that! and that was my point. i don't know why you're so hung up on the term "through the roof" as if its something important. well, i guess that's where you priorities are. and one other thing, monster. have you ever taken a course in business administration? or any course that teaches you how to run a business? if you have, you must have flunked that course because your attitude towards aggie athletics "customers" is totally contrary to basic business principles. for example, these are your "exact" words; "Its just our fans nature. It cant be helped. the mentality needs to be changed and I think it starts with something like not allowing people without tickets to the game to tailgate next to the stadium."now, let me ask you something. do you think that attitude will help or hinder a&t's community fanbase? you've also previously gone so far to state that you'd prefer that the non-ticket purchasers not even be allowed on campus. do you really think that type of "attitude" will improve a&t's community fanbase? i mean, honestly? if so, let's hope you never get a job in a&t's business office because your attitude alone would run away countless business opportunities. monster, you have an "us against them" attitude that's not healthy for improving a&t's fanbase and revenue stream. i don't think you realize that the same people you want to chastise and isolate, are the very same people we rely on for financial support. whether they purchase football tickets are not doesn't necessarily mean they're not our customers. perhaps they purchase basketball tickets, support our vendors, purchase our aggie club raffle tickets, or send their kids to a&t for an education amongst other things. by alienating these folks as you suggest, you would potentially cost a&t dollars that we may otherwise receive from these folks in other ways. you're the only one in favor of the fan zone that appears to take this thing "personal". others argue in support of "the concept" and they feel the timing is sound. you go a step further and "personalize" the concept to mean throw them bums off campus if they don't pay for a ticket! do you really think that attitude is the attitude a&t wants to portray to its customers?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 18, 2011 11:18:31 GMT -5
77, flattery gets you nowhere! ;D but here's the disconnect i believe. apparently, you don't seem to believe that "winning football" makes a major difference whether fans are willing to pay "premium" dollars to be a part of game day festivities or not. whereas i think that it does, as evidenced by the fact that our attendance figures are very much proportional to whether we have a winning program or not. i think if you looked at the hayes era when aggie football was consistently on the meac championship level, our attendance figures were through the roof. now, of course that momentum carried over to the small era and even the first year or so of the fobbs era. but i believe starting with fobbs' second season going "ofa", we started seeing our attendance figures decline. then after fobbs got fired, we saw a bump up in attendance when coach lee came onboard because we'd broken the losing streak the year before with 3 wins and we won our first two games against wssu and nsu under coach lee. folks were excited again. but then came the 1-10 season and we start losing attendance again. 77, to me, winning makes all the difference in the world! folks' attitudes change when you have a winning program. they're more willing to accept ticket price increases and they'd be more willing to accept this new fan zone concept as well. that's why i say comparing scsu's fan zone experience to a&t's is apples to oranges. raise ticket prices or enforce a fan zone at scsu (which is the only show in orangeburg), and folks will complain less because they have a premium product and pretty much nothing else to do. not so in greensboro. we're surrounded by the acc and the ciaa, plus we don't have a premium product. i honestly expect our folk to be more hostile than scsu's. if not hostile, certainly more offended. if you went to your local grocery store where you're not very fond of their products and they demand you to pay a fee before you're allowed to enter the store, wouldn't you feel offended and go some place else? whereas, if that same grocery store had products that are very superior to most others and they charged you fee to get in, wouldn't you feel less offended because their products may make the fee worth it? well, that's how i see our fan zone compared to scsu's fan zone. totally different attitude if we were winning. i've never said i'm against the fan zone concept, i just think the timing is wrong to do it the way they're doing it this season... That's just it; winning wouldn't change the mindset of those against the Game Zone, tailgaters (only) aren't paying a premium they are paying the same as you and me, and I don’t get that grocery store analogy at all, that makes no sense. Why would I go to grocery store that I wasn’t fond of their products? That statement alone should get you stripped of the “poster of the year” title. If you said they were charging for a bag, I might be able to draw a line. Oh, but wait a minute . . . grocery stores do charge for bags now. See, it’s about the mindset. All that other stuff about attendance, is just that, stuff, and make for good commentary, and maybe a fond memories for those that wish Bill Hayes was walking through the door. I contend that the uproar would be greater for a winning program than, a losing program, simply because the interest level is higher. This is why now is the best time to implement the GAME ZONE, when the winning starts, it will be part of the mindset. Then you can establish a multiple tier ticket structure to accommodate attendance in excess of capacity, until then what’s the point? Under the current plan capacity is stressed at most twice this year and once next year (unless WSSU reappears). Not against the GAME ZONE , really, remember these words: “dumb move” “will hurt paying customers more than those who come just to tailgate” “[what] fan zone will do is drastically diminish the aggie game day atmosphere” “our game day atmosphere will be like a ghost town” “my tickets will be drastically devalued” “IT DOES NOT MAKE BUSINESS SENSE” “all we're doing is making the experience "less desirable" for those of us who do purchase tickets” In your unbiased opinion, does this sound like a person in support of the GAME ZONE? we'll just have to agree to disagree. i'm 100% opposed to your approach, so no need for me to beat a deadhorse...
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Post by Bigboy on May 18, 2011 11:37:50 GMT -5
Everybody is beating a dead horse right now because no matter what is said this GameZone is going to happen. Let's just wait and see how it goes. If it is positive then leave it be, if it is negative then make changes. The way this topic has gone it makes me think that a lot of people value tailgating more than football. I am not sitting here waiting on tailgate season, I am waiting on FOOTBALL season!!
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Post by Aggie Monster on May 18, 2011 12:27:17 GMT -5
you're the only one in favor of the fan zone that appears to take this thing "personal". others argue in support of "the concept" and they feel the timing is sound. you go a step further and "personalize" the concept to mean throw them bums off campus if they don't pay for a ticket! do you really think that attitude is the attitude a&t wants to portray to its customers? I nevers said dont let them on "campus" and if I did use the word "campus" I meant the area around the stadium. And no its not personal. I'm just making a case. It might be that you take everything as personal and that's why you get so upset. Its never personal. As far as leaving it be until the season start. Sure, we could do that, but isn't this a message board. Isn't it here for us to debate and chat.? All this talk is actually healthy and i think puts ideas in peoples head that they might not think of themselves. Kats could lose some of the name calling and straight up bashing of others opinions though. Disagreeing is OK should be the theme. And Bigboy made an excellent point. you would think people are waiting for tailgate season, LOL.
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Post by The Professor on May 18, 2011 22:34:54 GMT -5
Everybody is beating a dead horse right now because no matter what is said this GameZone is going to happen. Let's just wait and see how it goes. If it is positive then leave it be, if it is negative then make changes. The way this topic has gone it makes me think that a lot of people value tailgating more than football. I am not sitting here waiting on tailgate season, I am waiting on FOOTBALL season!! All people are going to do are tailgate more in the parking lot across from Smith and on the yard. You know why people value tailgating more than football, when your team hasn't have a winning season since 03. That's a very , very long time. Hell kids get undergrads and master degrees in that time span
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Post by DOOMS on May 19, 2011 6:53:07 GMT -5
It's part of black college football culture. Basically, the most important part of a black college football game is halftime. The second most important part is the tailgate/fellowship. The third most important part is the fashion show. The fourth most important part is the actual game.
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Post by Tee-Sharp on May 19, 2011 7:10:36 GMT -5
The way this topic has gone it makes me think that a lot of people value tailgating more than football. I'm not taking a side here but a lot of people DO value tailgating more than the game. Waking up on a football Saturday morning, firing up the grill, fellowshipping and drinking with friends is the life for them. It seems as if this topic is going in circles. If the Aggie Game Zone turns out to be a disaster, you can bet it will be adjusted. We might as well just wait and see how this thing plays out.
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Post by aggierattler on May 19, 2011 11:02:54 GMT -5
Everybody is beating a dead horse right now because no matter what is said this GameZone is going to happen. Let's just wait and see how it goes. If it is positive then leave it be, if it is negative then make changes. The way this topic has gone it makes me think that a lot of people value tailgating more than football. I am not sitting here waiting on tailgate season, I am waiting on FOOTBALL season!! All people are going to do are tailgate more in the parking lot across from Smith and on the yard... I don't think that anyone is against them doing that. They can tailgate all-day-long anywhere else on-or-off campus...just not in the Aggie Game Zone. See?? Now you have your solution!! All is well.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 19, 2011 12:02:13 GMT -5
you're the only one in favor of the fan zone that appears to take this thing "personal". others argue in support of "the concept" and they feel the timing is sound. you go a step further and "personalize" the concept to mean throw them bums off campus if they don't pay for a ticket! do you really think that attitude is the attitude a&t wants to portray to its customers? I nevers said dont let them on "campus" and if I did use the word "campus" I meant the area around the stadium. here ya go, monster. these are your exact words. i think you made it very clear how you feel about the so called "freeloaders" (again, using your words). you stated that you don't even want them "on campus". i think your statement clearly shows its personal on your part. you feel like folks are "freeloading" even though they can't even see the game.
yeah, its personal, monster. whether you admit it or not, its clear you take it personal. below are your exact words...What A&T is saying(in a politically correct way) is "If you are not attending the game and/or are not a student then don't come on our campus. We dont want you here just hanging out. " I can respect and agree with that.
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Post by Aggie Monster on May 19, 2011 12:37:34 GMT -5
Damn. SMH, "Got get last word, gotta get last word, gotta get....."
Just let it go man. You have issues for real. Didn't I just explain what I meant by "campus". Thats not a question, so please dont answer.
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Post by krazykev on May 19, 2011 12:45:55 GMT -5
Damn. SMH, "Got get last word, gotta get last word, gotta get....." Just let it go man. You have issues for real. Didn't I just explain what I meant by "campus". Thats not a question, so please dont answer. I blame Thrilla... Poster of the Year....lol
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Post by SixtiesAggie on May 19, 2011 13:26:22 GMT -5
All people are going to do are tailgate more in the parking lot across from Smith and on the yard... I don't think that anyone is against them doing that. They can tailgate all-day-long anywhere else on-or-off campus...just not in the Aggie Game Zone. See?? Now you have your solution!! All is well. Quick questions for folks. Who will pay for cleaning the areas such as the Laurel St. lot? Things such as the smoldering charcoal, oil, bottles, trash, etc..Who will be responsible for safety issues? Suppose those areas are patrolled and declared off limits. Or suppose there is a fee for tailgating anywhere on campus. What then? I see this post is headed towards the Guinness Book Of World Records for posting.
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Post by DECKS on May 19, 2011 13:43:07 GMT -5
All people are going to do are tailgate more in the parking lot across from Smith and on the yard... I don't think that anyone is against them doing that. They can tailgate all-day-long anywhere else on-or-off campus...just not in the Aggie Game Zone. See?? Now you have your solution!! All is well. This is probably what will happen.
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