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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 17:03:17 GMT -5
From what I was made to understand is that Auxiliary Services is the one that implemented the FanZone concept, not athletics. Correct me if that is wrong. If so, how and/or why does Auxiliary Services have this kind of power? I just do not like the fact that the AD did not have the final say on this.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 17:06:08 GMT -5
I consider those who come to just tailgage should pay. There can no longer be free rides for anyone at Aggie Stadium. Okay. Duly noted. Do you believe they should pay the same amount that it would cost them to get in to the stadium? You think every person should pay $25 to tailgate...including kids? Kids tickets will not be $25 dollars. They will be $10 for all games and $15 for Homecoming. www.ncat.edu/~tickets/schedule.htm
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Post by aggieiam on May 16, 2011 19:04:39 GMT -5
Too many people are using their opinions as sound business judgment. I will continue to support A&T, but regardless of anyones opinion you can tell by the length of this feed and from other A&T blogs that athletics didn't do their due diligence in planning the game zone. We all want the best for A&T but there is a big difference in (Business) Good, Better & Best. That difference could be thousands of dollars or millions or in this case a few hundred bucks per game. I think what we can learn from this is not how much to charge for the Game Zone but implementation. A move like this could have used a committee of alumni, faculty, admin & students. Big money comes from big ideas and big thought. Per Leonora Bryant's response, she was not included on the Committee that made this decision and she is the Director of Alumni Affairs. We have been trying to find out who was on the Committee that made this decision.
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Post by Aggie77 on May 16, 2011 20:08:08 GMT -5
please, please, please! i beg ya'll! please stop comparing aggie football to bulldog football! two totally "opposite" programs! if our program resembled scsu's program, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all. now, if you want a program to study that is similar to ours, find one that has only won about 12 out of its last 72 games, recently broke a 27 game losing streak, coming off of a 1-10 record last season, and facing "declining" attendance. that's the model that we compare to, not a perennial meac powerhouse program who's attendance is "increasing"... If that's what you got out of my post, you might try rereading it. Here's a hint: I made no comparison to Aggie and Bulldog football!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 16, 2011 21:39:10 GMT -5
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Post by Aggie Monster on May 16, 2011 22:30:57 GMT -5
Okay. Duly noted. Do you believe they should pay the same amount that it would cost them to get in to the stadium? You think every person should pay $25 to tailgate...including kids? Kids tickets will not be $25 dollars. They will be $10 for all games and $15 for Homecoming. www.ncat.edu/~tickets/schedule.htmThanks for posting that westcoast. Kills all the $25 for kids arguments. $10 and $15(homecoming) is not a price hike at all. And is still a pretty decent price for kids 12 and under. And will people please stop saying its $25 to TAILGATE. It is not. It's $25 for the GAME. If you dont want to pay for the game then just stay home. If your buddy or family member dont want to pay $25 for THE GAME then tell them to stay home. Simple as that. This thread has grown out of control. And for what? In 3 years the Fan Zone will still be here cause it didn't hurt anything and fans(true fans) will have adjusted. I get on my boys for not being true Aggie sports fans all the time. Get on yours!
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Post by Aggie77 on May 16, 2011 22:56:16 GMT -5
Oh, I see what the problem is you are unable to discern what “initial reaction” means. Only you could interpret something that’s not there. Since you still don’t get it, maybe this will help, but it’s unlikely. This one is going to cost us, Big Time That's what we initially thought too. But as Pitbull said, people are more likely to sit in a seat for a ticket they already bought. That's what we initially thought too. But as Pitbull said, people are more likely to sit in a seat for a ticket they already bought. A lot of people initially thought this was a horrible idea... But it will be a great thing in the long run. . . . and just in case you still don't get, I'm comparing the initial reaction. Oh, BTW one of the schools had a winning program. What do you make of that? I'm all out of bread crumbs!
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Post by DOOMS on May 17, 2011 7:25:55 GMT -5
Okay. Duly noted. Do you believe they should pay the same amount that it would cost them to get in to the stadium? You think every person should pay $25 to tailgate...including kids? Kids tickets will not be $25 dollars. They will be $10 for all games and $15 for Homecoming. www.ncat.edu/~tickets/schedule.htmThat's a lot more palatable. I still ain't gonna pay it because I'm looking at paying $80 when I'm the only one that's gonna watch the game, but it works better in my opinion. Straight up, the economy and continuing expansion of my family won't allow me the freedom to do it. It seems to me the best way to do it would be to charge a $5 fee for anybody who wants to get into the tailgate area, and let anybody with a game ticket in. Right now we are capping our income at 21,500 seats times $10-$45 depending on the game. In the whole tailgate area we have space for who knows how many more folks? I believe that $5 is palatable to anybody who smells some ribs, but has no intention of going into the game. $10 is probably pushing it. If we can get another 10,000 folks into the tailgate area and charge them $5 a head, that's 50 grand. I guess palatable and well-conceived are mutually exclusive in this case.
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Post by DECKS on May 17, 2011 9:02:29 GMT -5
That's a lot more palatable. I still ain't gonna pay it because I'm looking at paying $80 when I'm the only one that's gonna watch the game, but it works better in my opinion. Straight up, the economy and continuing expansion of my family won't allow me the freedom to do it. It seems to me the best way to do it would be to charge a $5 fee for anybody who wants to get into the tailgate area, and let anybody with a game ticket in. Right now we are capping our income at 21,500 seats times $10-$45 depending on the game. In the whole tailgate area we have space for who knows how many more folks? I believe that $5 is palatable to anybody who smells some ribs, but has no intention of going into the game. $10 is probably pushing it. If we can get another 10,000 folks into the tailgate area and charge them $5 a head, that's 50 grand. I guess palatable and well-conceived are mutually exclusive in this case. You know $80 is a drop in the bucket to you! I thought everytime the family grew you got another promotion.....or is it the other way around? CEO yet? ;D
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Post by aggiebred09 on May 17, 2011 9:14:45 GMT -5
If you don't want to pay for the game then just stay home. If your buddy or family member don't want to pay $25 for THE GAME then tell them to stay home. Simple as that. Is this how you create more revenue and generate new fans for a dying program?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 17, 2011 10:39:05 GMT -5
Oh, I see what the problem is you are unable to discern what “initial reaction” means. Only you could interpret something that’s not there. Since you still don’t get it, maybe this will help, but it’s unlikely. That's what we initially thought too. But as Pitbull said, people are more likely to sit in a seat for a ticket they already bought. A lot of people initially thought this was a horrible idea... But it will be a great thing in the long run. . . . and just in case you still don't get, I'm comparing the initial reaction. Oh, BTW one of the schools had a winning program. What do you make of that? I'm all out of bread crumbs! 77, my point is this. there are no similarities between scsu football and aggie football except we both belong to the same conference. whether you're referring to "initial reaction", "late reaction", "no reaction", or "play action", it doesn't matter. any comparison between scsu football and aggie football as it pertains to a fan zone, no matter how big or small, is like comparing apples to oranges. scsu actually has a "high demand" for their product. we don't! big difference, dude. a very big difference. again, please let me make this clear. if our program had the same record and accomplishments as scsu had over the last 3 or 4 years, WE WOULD NOT BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION...
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Post by Aggie77 on May 17, 2011 14:27:33 GMT -5
77, my point is this. there are no similarities between scsu football and aggie football except we both belong to the same conference. whether you're referring to "initial reaction", "late reaction", "no reaction", or "play action", it doesn't matter. any comparison between scsu football and aggie football as it pertains to a fan zone, no matter how big or small, is like comparing apples to oranges. scsu actually has a "high demand" for their product. we don't! big difference, dude. a very big difference. again, please let me make this clear. if our program had the same record and accomplishments as scsu had over the last 3 or 4 years, WE WOULD NOT BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION... man, you are by far my favorite poster. I can understand why you are the “poster of the year”. I think they did away with that after you won. But I digress, I disagree, in my mind different fans (one with a winning program and one with a losing program) reacting to the same change the same way, is an apple to apple comparison. As I posted before, winning/losing has nothing to do with the Anti-Game Zone reaction, it's the change, and the current mindset, therefore we would still be having this conversation.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 17, 2011 15:47:39 GMT -5
77, flattery gets you nowhere! ;D but here's the disconnect i believe. apparently, you don't seem to believe that "winning football" makes a major difference whether fans are willing to pay "premium" dollars to be a part of game day festivities or not. whereas i think that it does, as evidenced by the fact that our attendance figures are very much proportional to whether we have a winning program or not.
i think if you looked at the hayes era when aggie football was consistently on the meac championship level, our attendance figures were through the roof. now, of course that momentum carried over to the small era and even the first year or so of the fobbs era.
but i believe starting with fobbs' second season going "ofa", we started seeing our attendance figures decline. then after fobbs got fired, we saw a bump up in attendance when coach lee came onboard because we'd broken the losing streak the year before with 3 wins and we won our first two games against wssu and nsu under coach lee. folks were excited again. but then came the 1-10 season and we start losing attendance again.
77, to me, winning makes all the difference in the world! folks' attitudes change when you have a winning program. they're more willing to accept ticket price increases and they'd be more willing to accept this new fan zone concept as well. that's why i say comparing scsu's fan zone experience to a&t's is apples to oranges.
raise ticket prices or enforce a fan zone at scsu (which is the only show in orangeburg), and folks will complain less because they have a premium product and pretty much nothing else to do. not so in greensboro. we're surrounded by the acc and the ciaa, plus we don't have a premium product. i honestly expect our folk to be more hostile than scsu's. if not hostile, certainly more offended.
if you went to your local grocery store where you're not very fond of their products and they demand you to pay a fee before you're allowed to enter the store, wouldn't you feel offended and go some place else? whereas, if that same grocery store had products that are very superior to most others and they charged you fee to get in, wouldn't you feel less offended because their products may make the fee worth it?
well, that's how i see our fan zone compared to scsu's fan zone. totally different attitude if we were winning. i've never said i'm against the fan zone concept, i just think the timing is wrong to do it the way they're doing it this season...
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Post by Aggie Monster on May 17, 2011 17:22:32 GMT -5
Our attendance was not really "through the roof" when we were winning. It was better for the casual game, like a Deleware or Norfolk, but it definitely wasn't through the roof. Most games had modest crowds unless it was homecoming or something on the line at the end of the year.
Its just our fans nature. It cant be helped. the mentality needs to be changed and I think it starts with something like not allowing people without tickets to the game to tailgate next to the stadium.
There is no better time to implement this. What, we are suppose to wait until we are 5-5 or 7-3. Or maybe we wait until we win the MEAC? Whats the threshold? Like we keep saying, it will still be people bitchin about it. Maybe not everyone, but if its a money thing like some are saying then the bitching will be the same.
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Post by Aggie One on May 18, 2011 7:53:51 GMT -5
Thus why even bother continuing the debate. It's here. It's going to happen and its not going change. Let's just wait and see how it all shakes out. I frankly don't think it will make any noticeable difference on the amount of people who will be tailgating this fall.
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