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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2011 12:50:51 GMT -5
But our coach doesn't have the ability to do it. Eventually if we do fund well enough to win the conference, after a few years of getting our wig split in the tourny, the calls will begin anew. Ask Corbett. Bibbs is only one .500 season away from it. I know you people. I used to be one of you. You won't hear a peep out of me if we can manage to get out of the first round of the NCAA Tourney every now and then. That would mean we are dominating the MEAC year in and year out and we are managing to get some quality wins against other Mid and High Major squads. But we don't fund our program to dominate the MEAC (we are in line with the average and thus funded to be .500 on average) and Eaves can't manage to get above .500 and win a MEAC tourney game. So I say 1. INCREASE basketball funding and 2. let the contract run out and have this period become a "try-out period" of sorts for Eaves. If eaves can't even manage to get a NIT bid with the increased funding and support, then he needs to be let go. A&T should be the ones forcing the other schools to step up their game and not just be satsified to be in line with the average.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 5, 2011 12:52:03 GMT -5
We always have these "funding" debates. Our coaches in MULTIPLE sports have been horrible and they are NOT the lowest funded(nor worse facilities) in the conference, but always seem to finish there. Its all about coaching skills, nothing more. Hillside use to win the state championships in track all the time and they had a DIRT track at the school. The won the state my senior year and they had a DIRT track. please see my comment regarding "miracle workers". there's always exceptions to the rule...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2011 12:58:43 GMT -5
funding means "everything" in division 1 basketball. but an "exceptional" coach can overcome funding and facilities shortfalls, such as todd bozeman and pat bibbs has done. whereas, coaches like ed joyner at hampton doesn't have to be "exceptional" in order to be successful because hampton gives joyner the support he needs. in my opinion, we really need to upgrade corbett sports center so that we're at least on par or close to it with the top arenas in the meac. right now, imo, corbett ranks in the lower quarter of the meac in that regard. and can someone verify whether corbett center doesn't have at least 4 "portable" basketball goals for men's and women's basketball practice? if corbett doesn't have at least 4 "portable" basketball goals to go along with the 2 at each end of the court, in my opinion, that's "despicable" for any d1 basketball program. i honestly can't see how a college coach can be most effective in practice without 6 basketball goals. can a coach live with only 2? why of course he/she can. but it truly limits the number of individual drills he/she can run during practice. i hate to say it, but for any college team not to have at least 6 baskets in their primary practice facility is not only "low budget", but also "low class". imo, what a&t does is try to hire coaches who are miracle workers. in other words, coaches who can overcome lack of funding, facilities, and staff. instead of investing to improve our support system, we pray for miracles workers and neglect our support system. basically, we try to field teams on the cheap... From what I remember, we have 4 Basketbal Goals. I don't know if we use them for practice or not but i figured 4 was S.O.P. I know here at Murray State, They use 6 but they have the space. I am not sure that they have the space in Corbett to use all those hoops. Speaking of which, A practice facility for Basketball would help us improve.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 5, 2011 13:03:05 GMT -5
We always have these "funding" debates. Our coaches in MULTIPLE sports have been horrible and they are NOT the lowest funded(nor worse facilities) in the conference, but always seem to finish there. Its all about coaching skills, nothing more. Hillside use to win the state championships in track all the time and they had a DIRT track at the school. The won the state my senior year and they had a DIRT track. please see my comment regarding "miracle workers". there's always exceptions to the rule... My point is that there is NO RULE. The most funded don't always win championships. Sometimes they do, sometimes they dont. Its all about the skill level of the coach the majority of the time. That and some standout athletes. Most of the time budget increases come with a new coaching hires because administration doesn't want the coach to have the "I didn't have the funds" excuse if he fails. So you never REALLY know if it was the coach or just the new funds. The old coach will say "If I had those funds I would have kept my job". The new coach will say "It's all me baby!". The fan that believes what you are saying will say it was the new funding and fans like me will say it was the coach. Eaves does suck, funding along wont fix his problems. But hiring a new coach(as great as he may be) wont win a NCAA tournament game either. We need a change in culture for that. Firing Eaves now makes no sense, but after next year I'm all for it with anything less than a 3rd place finish and MEAC championship game appearance. Now, enough with this jibba jabba. On to football. Spring game is upon us baby!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2011 13:11:56 GMT -5
please see my comment regarding "miracle workers". there's always exceptions to the rule... My point is that there is NO RULE. The most funded don't always win championships. Sometimes they do, sometimes they dont. Its all about the skill level of the coach the majority of the time. That and some standout athletes. Well the programs that spend over 2.0 million on Men's Basketball and spend over 20 Million overall on athletics win 83% of the time in the NCAA Tournament and if you count teams like Butler, VCU, Gonzaga and other teams that spend over 1.6 million on the sport, then you are looking at over 90%. So, if we are looking to JUST win the MEAC and be happy with getting pounded in the First Four, then ALL we need to do is just get rid of eaves and find a coach who knows how to win in low Major Conferences with the current conditions we provide. BUT, if you want to not only dominate the MEAC and garner seeds higher than 14 in the NCAA, which will lead to us getting to the Sweet 16 every now and then, we have to not only find a coach who can win, we have to give him the financial support he needs so he can win.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 5, 2011 13:13:34 GMT -5
I don't disagree with anything you just said OSA..... But we all know who has the prettiest/most modern gym in the MEAC ----- FAMU.....look at their results. You won't find a more raggedy gym than Bethune Cookman's Moore Gym. Hill Gymnasium at Morgan St? Antiquated. Why is it that the women's team can function with only 2 goals with a freshman-laden team, but Eaves can't? I know women's basketball is different than men's bball, but no one can argue the fact that Aggies women's bball was the absolute worst before Bibbs came around. Yet, with only 2 goals in Corbett, the ladies have somehow made it in the MEAC, where the women's bball IS BETTER than the men's on the DI level.... We have to stop giving Eaves excuses for why he cannot win. He has 4 asst coaches - one of whom was a former head coach at Winston. With an improved staff, we looked just as bad in the MEAC tourny as we have over the past few years. I'm not upset with anyone on this board....I'm just upset because it is so glaringly obvious to me how inept Eaves is as a coach. We're staring at 20 losses next year, unless he finds a way to schedule about 10 DII/NAIA teams next year. It will be another wasted year of Aggie basketball. I'm tired of wasting time and resources on a person who gives us no shot at winning anything. If we have a 20-loss season, I want it to be with a coach who has the potential to turn it into 20 wins a few years down the road---- Eaves doesn't fit this criterion in the slightest bit. superstar, if you notice, i never once mentioned eaves name. that's because good facilities are needed regardless of who is coaching. again, "miracle workers" are the exception to the rules, not the other way around. so my point was, if we want to get out of the "miracle worker" syndrome, we must give our coaches the tools they need to be successful. and regarding morgan's hill field house, sure its outdated, but not more so than corbett. again, bozeman is a "miracle worker". if you want to rest your hat on only hiring the bibbs and bozeman's of the world, then good luck with that system but our admins have not proven to be the best judges of "miracle workers". and as far as bcu's moore gym, you know as well as i do, that had it not been for cliff reed's son on his team, bcu would still be a sub .500 team, period. bcu's moore gym had nothing to do with cj reed attending bcu. if his dad wasn't coaching bcu, cj (the meac's poy) wouldn't be there and you know it. as i stated previously, "exceptional" coaches can overcome funding, staff, and facilities shortfalls. georgetown hoyas practice facility is a straight up dump. but both the men and women basketball teams there made postseason noise. again, there are exceptions to the rule. and by the way, famu's coach got fired. so them having a new facility and firing their coach proves my point. and one last thing, do you really think "anyone" on this board doesn't know you want eaves fired? talk about beating a dead horse...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2011 13:18:01 GMT -5
Speaking of Bozeman, have you all seen Morgan's Men's BBall APR
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 5, 2011 13:18:18 GMT -5
So, if we are looking to JUST win the MEAC and be happy with getting pounded in the First Four, then ALL we need to do is just get rid of eaves and find a coach who knows how to win in low Major Conferences with the current conditions we provide. BUT, if you want to not only dominate the MEAC and garner seeds higher than 14 in the NCAA, which will lead to us getting to the Sweet 16 every now and then, we have to not only find a coach who can win, we have to give him the financial support he needs so he can win. I get it West Coast, but yall keep taking 1 liners from my statements. To get to the 2nd part of your statement it takes about 3 steps. We cant change all 3 at once. I agree that Eaves is not the guy, but he has 2 more years. Change something else first. In your statement you said "find Coach" AND "Give him the support". All I'm saying is give him support first since we have no choice if he is here or not cause of his contract. After he fails(as many of you think he will do with support or not), fire him and the next coach already has the support in place. Now no coach that comes in can ever say "Well, my budget/support is crap, etc, etc, etc". i know people are upset with Eaves, but work the process. Dont just make irrational decisions.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 5, 2011 13:24:58 GMT -5
please see my comment regarding "miracle workers". there's always exceptions to the rule... My point is that there is NO RULE. The most funded don't always win championships. Sometimes they do, sometimes they dont. Its all about the skill level of the coach the majority of the time. That and some standout athletes. Most of the time budget increases come with a new coaching hires because administration doesn't want the coach to have the "I didn't have the funds" excuse if he fails. So you never REALLY know if it was the coach or just the new funds. The old coach will say "If I had those funds I would have kept my job". The new coach will say "It's all me baby!". The fan that believes what you are saying will say it was the new funding and fans like me will say it was the coach. Eaves does suck, funding along wont fix his problems. But hiring a new coach(as great as he may be) wont win a NCAA tournament game either. We need a change in culture for that. Firing Eaves now makes no sense, but after next year I'm all for it with anything less than a 3rd place finish and MEAC championship game appearance. Now, enough with this jibba jabba. On to football. Spring game is upon us baby! monster, funding alone doesn't win championships, just as coaching alone doesn't win championships either. otherwise, drexel would be winning championships too. my point is that you give your coaches the best chance to win when you give them the tools they need to be successful. i don't see how anybody could argue with that fact. no, funding doesn't "guarantee" anything, just like coaching doesn't guarantee anything either. so based on your philosophy, you should be happy with a&t athletics because surely we don't give our coaches all the tools they need to be successful. me personally, i prefer the dr. harvey model at hampton. give your coaches the tools they need to be successful and you'll "never" find your football team losing 27 games in a row and losing 10 out of 11 games last season. use harvey's model and you'll never find any of your teams at or near the bottom of the meac in any sport. use a&t's/monster's model, you'll find both the men's and women's basketball teams spending time at the very "bottom" of the meac within the last 10 years, the football team at the very "bottom", and the volleyball team at the very "bottom". we probably lead the meac in teams finishing at the "bottom" of the meac...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2011 13:30:44 GMT -5
So, if we are looking to JUST win the MEAC and be happy with getting pounded in the First Four, then ALL we need to do is just get rid of eaves and find a coach who knows how to win in low Major Conferences with the current conditions we provide. BUT, if you want to not only dominate the MEAC and garner seeds higher than 14 in the NCAA, which will lead to us getting to the Sweet 16 every now and then, we have to not only find a coach who can win, we have to give him the financial support he needs so he can win. I get it West Coast, but yall keep taking 1 liners from my statements. To get to the 2nd part of your statement it takes about 3 steps. We cant change all 3 at once. I agree that Eaves is not the guy, but he has 2 more years. Change something else first. In your statement you said "find Coach" AND "Give him the support". All I'm saying is give him support first since we have no choice if he is here or not cause of his contract. After he fails(as many of you think he will do with support or not), fire him and the next coach already has the support in place. Now no coach that comes in can ever say "Well, my budget is crap, etc, etc, etc". i know people are upset with Eaves, but work the process. Dont just make irrational decisions. IMHO, Eaves should remain for the final 2 years of the contract. To me, Eaves and his program showed signs of improvement after he and Bibbs got the Weight Room, Strength coach and after Coach Sith was added to his staff. To me, this is a sign that for Eaves to win, we gotta keep giving him more Tool$. So, according to this theory, we should keep increasing the funding so he can go out and find better players (we also have to make sure we don't have another J. Black Fiasco too) and keep improving his staff. Then we just gotta see if he will win. If there is a drastic drop off again, then let him go. if not, allow him to set the foundation so that the next guy will be able to have a launching point to propel the program back to dominating the conference yet again.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 5, 2011 13:38:38 GMT -5
so based on your philosophy, you should be happy with a&t athletics because surely we don't give our coaches all the tools they need to be successful. me personally, i prefer the dr. harvey model at hampton. give your coaches the tools they need to be successful and you'll "never" find your football team losing 27 games in a row and losing 10 out of 11 games last season. use harvey's model and you'll never find any of your teams at or near the bottom of the meac in any sport. use a&t's/monster's model, you'll find both the men's and women's basketball teams spending time at the very "bottom" of the meac within the last 10 years, the football team at the very "bottom", and the volleyball team at the very "bottom". we probably lead the meac in teams finishing at the "bottom" of the meac... Not at all what I said. Not debating with you today sir.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 5, 2011 13:38:59 GMT -5
I get it West Coast, but yall keep taking 1 liners from my statements. To get to the 2nd part of your statement it takes about 3 steps. We cant change all 3 at once. I agree that Eaves is not the guy, but he has 2 more years. Change something else first. In your statement you said "find Coach" AND "Give him the support". All I'm saying is give him support first since we have no choice if he is here or not cause of his contract. After he fails(as many of you think he will do with support or not), fire him and the next coach already has the support in place. Now no coach that comes in can ever say "Well, my budget is crap, etc, etc, etc". i know people are upset with Eaves, but work the process. Dont just make irrational decisions. IMHO, Eaves should remain for the final 2 years of the contract. To me, Eaves and his program showed signs of improvement after he and Bibbs got the Weight Room, Strength coach and after Coach Sith was added to his staff. To me, this is a sign that for Eaves to win, we gotta keep giving him more Tool$. So, according to this theory, we should keep increasing the funding so he can go out and find better players (we also have to make sure we don't have another J. Black Fiasco too) and keep improving his staff. Then we just gotta see if he will win. If there is a drastic drop off again, then let him go. if not, allow him to set the foundation so that the next guy will be able to have a launching point to propel the program back to dominating the conference yet again. Then we agree!
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Apr 6, 2011 8:55:16 GMT -5
Lets just face Eaves is going to be here for the upcoming season. To fire a Coach one-year into a three year contract means we never should have given him the contract.
Increase the funding with Eaves in place and if he does not cut the mustard after next season look for change in direction. If you change horses after next season all the support tools are in place. Then it would be very easy to determine whether you have a poor coach.
All though we lose our best player Eaves has the entire remaining team coming back for next season.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Apr 6, 2011 9:01:44 GMT -5
But our coach doesn't have the ability to do it. Eventually if we do fund well enough to win the conference, after a few years of getting our wig split in the tourny, the calls will begin anew. Ask Corbett. Bibbs is only one .500 season away from it. I know you people. I used to be one of you.[/quote] Bibbs never stops recruting better players. Every year the quality of players has increased. That keeps you from having a 500 season. If she was going to have one it would been this year. i was there doing some of Corbetts best years - 86 to 90. And towards then end of his tenure there was a drop off in talent on the floor. That does not mean I supported him getting canned.
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Post by aggiebred09 on Apr 6, 2011 12:53:22 GMT -5
If our problem is funding and funding alone then we will never be a championship team in the MEAC or any Tourney for that matter.
But if our problem is more than funding then we need to recognize what or who it is and stop crying broke.
We will always not have enough money. Lets stop with that issue and work on other problems that are solvable in the near future. If we are crying broke then we need to switch divisions plain and simple.
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