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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 6, 2011 13:02:22 GMT -5
If our problem is funding and funding alone then we will never be a championship team in the MEAC or any Tourney for that matter. But if our problem is more than funding then we need to recognize what or who it is and stop crying broke. We will always not have enough money. Lets stop with that issue and work on other problems that are solvable in the near future. If we are crying broke then we need to switch divisions plain and simple. Bingo!
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Apr 6, 2011 13:08:55 GMT -5
Agreeed!!!
As Example: From a money perspective there are alot of things VCU and Butler dont have vs. the big boys ACC, Big East, Big 10 but evidently they used there funds wisely and addressed any other issues and made all the way to the final 4.
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 6, 2011 13:12:39 GMT -5
Do you think their decision-makers would remain in d-1 if they had our budget?
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Post by aggiebred09 on Apr 6, 2011 13:52:31 GMT -5
Do you think their decision-makers would remain in d-1 if they had our budget? If a PWI school hadn't won a regular season or tournament for their institution in 12+ years and complained about money as the biggest reason then I'm almost certain they would move down a division. That is all things being equal. Now that I think about it. The Alumni, Board of Trustees and and stakeholder from that school would almost mandate a shift in division.
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 6, 2011 14:17:36 GMT -5
I'm guessing here because I don't feel like doing the legwork, but I'm betting that VCU and Butler have larger budgets than we do, and neither has a scholarship football team (unless Butler started giving out schollys since last I checked).
They aren't poor schools eking out an existence by any means. Keeping a coach for budgetary reasons would never be a consideration for them. It has to be for us.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Apr 6, 2011 16:29:23 GMT -5
I would agree with you but if we do an apples to apples comparision I bet Marquette, St. Johns, and Depaul have much larger basketball budgets than VCU or Butler.
As far as Coaching salary it was in the USAA Today the day before the tournament. For example Shaka Smart's base salary $325k while Buzz Williams is clocking 2M per year. That alone tells me that there is a huge difference between VCU's budget and Marquette.
That being said I am sure Smart will get a raise and based on his bonus this year will earn $400k plus. Even with a raise he wont be close to the $2m Buzz is clocking at least not at VCU..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2011 16:48:17 GMT -5
I'm guessing here because I don't feel like doing the legwork, but I'm betting that VCU and Butler have larger budgets than we do, and neither has a scholarship football team (unless Butler started giving out schollys since last I checked). They aren't poor schools eking out an existence by any means. Keeping a coach for budgetary reasons would never be a consideration for them. It has to be for us. Each school spends about 2.0 million on Mens' Bball and their total athletic budget is between 12-15 million. A&T spent about $930,000 on Men's BBall in 09/10 and spent 8 million on the entire athletic Dept.
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Post by aggiejazz on Apr 6, 2011 17:33:16 GMT -5
I'm guessing here because I don't feel like doing the legwork, but I'm betting that VCU and Butler have larger budgets than we do, and neither has a scholarship football team (unless Butler started giving out schollys since last I checked). They aren't poor schools eking out an existence by any means. Keeping a coach for budgetary reasons would never be a consideration for them. It has to be for us. Each school spends about 2.0 million on Mens' Bball and their total athletic budget is between 12-15 million. A&T spent about $930,000 on Men's BBall in 09/10 and spent 8 million on the entire athletic Dept. Guys, I am going to say once more, those dollar numbers attributed to A&T are nothng but fools gold. If you think A&T is only $1 million away from VCU men's BB program and then check out their facilities and read about their support. VCU was able to cough up more than $800,000 per year for one non-capital item (coach's salary) in a blink of an eye. We aint no where close to VCU in money.
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Post by aggiebred09 on Apr 6, 2011 19:36:10 GMT -5
I'm guessing here because I don't feel like doing the legwork, but I'm betting that VCU and Butler have larger budgets than we do, and neither has a scholarship football team (unless Butler started giving out schollys since last I checked). They aren't poor schools eking out an existence by any means. Keeping a coach for budgetary reasons would never be a consideration for them. It has to be for us. Each school spends about 2.0 million on Mens' Bball and their total athletic budget is between 12-15 million. A&T spent about $930,000 on Men's BBall in 09/10 and spent 8 million on the entire athletic Dept. So in comparison they spend about 14% of their Athletic Budget on Basketball. We spend about 12%.... Not that much difference.
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 7, 2011 5:54:38 GMT -5
They spend 12-15 million and they don't even have a football team. We spend eight million (maybe) and we have a football team with up to 63 scholarships.
Maybe the percentage is right, but the overall budget is waaaaay wrong. What's the budget of the average football playing pwc in the top 10 in d-2 basketball?
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Post by aggiebred09 on Apr 7, 2011 7:32:57 GMT -5
I’m sure if you calculate our actual budget we push at least a million. But my question is not how do we get more money, but how are we spending the money we are getting.
All these questions about money miss the mark. It is a fact that it is not impossible to court a winning team without spending millions. I fail to believe that we can’t win simply because we don’t have enough money. For those that think only the dollar equals the win you have just become accustomed to excuses.
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 7, 2011 8:07:44 GMT -5
Name a few schools that don't spend the dollar that are winning. It's not impossible to win without money, but it's highly improbable and it defies logic to repeatedly attempt to do so.
Yes, when you compare a VCU's budget to a UNC's budget, they are light years apart. But there is a tipping point where you are just spending waaay too little to be effective, and I'm convinced we are well below that tipping point.
Corbett deserved to get past the first round. With a larger budget I'm convinced he could have. Instead we skimped on money because we had an above-average coach and then we frustrated him to no end for a few off years, then he was gone. He was clearly only a year away considering the very next year we went to the NCAA tourny.
Perhaps not winning isn't the only reason we can't win, but it is the main reason. When you have a surplus of money you can quickly correct hiring mistakes. We've made a bunch and been stuck with them, then we've had to overpay to correct them.
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Post by aggiebred09 on Apr 7, 2011 8:43:00 GMT -5
Dooms, I fully agree with your assessment. I think that we could see major improvements with a larger budget. But in reality we will not see that money in Men's Basketball for another year or so if not longer. What can be done outside of more funding to help the team? And if it is funding what plan can we implement to increase support? Has the AAF set goals for giving for each sport? Are they doing any AAF Athletic Assessments? How can we determine the effectiveness of the AAF in years? In championships? In Scholarships? I am all for more money, but we are a school that has always done more with less and I refuse to believe that we cant win because there isnt enough money.
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 7, 2011 9:05:28 GMT -5
The economies of scale have change dramatically. Winning consistently without competing financially is simply an impossibility. One of the main reasons we are systematically worse and worse over the years is because the administration appears to believe that we don't need money to win because we didn't need it in the past.
At the time we didn't need it, there was no internet, no premium recruiting services, no giant replay screens, no I-AA coaches making six figures, no six figure recruiting budgets, no APR restrictions,... The game done changed, we have remained the same. That's why we stink.
There was a time when a Jerry Eaves could walk in with that paltry budget and his experience and he would regularly win the conference. Not on a Corbett level, but probably once every four to five years. They can print what they want regarding the bball budget, but I remember when Curtis Hunter was coach and couldn't get game tape on opponents because the FedEx bill wasn't paid. No d-1 on earth should be in that situation. Especially not reporting the budget we reported at that time.
Corbett wouldn't win nowadays. Hayes would have died a slow death under our constraints. Instead of working, we're looking for miracle workers. An overpaid super-coach here, and miraculous outside funding during a recession there, and voila!
In my opinion, Eaves isn't the one (and never was). But I'm also realistic. We don't have the money or resources to compete outside our conference on this level, and we won't. The game done changed.
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Post by aggiebred09 on Apr 7, 2011 9:15:17 GMT -5
Since we are stuck with this "money is the problem" mindset what do we need to generate more support? If we cant win because of money and we cant get money because we cant win then what can we do?
There are brilliant ideas on this site and on campus about ways to bring in more money. How serious is administration about raising funds? I seems to me that there has to be a root to this problem somewhere in Dowdy. Who is getting paid to bring in money..... Wait... Nevermind....
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