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Post by pj on Jan 26, 2010 8:13:44 GMT -5
The press helped WSSU. We had 25 turnovers and lost by 2 pts. We have a good team family. You all have good points. It will play out. I'll take this loss against a SCSU loss.
>BTW Coleman is a beast! Did you see him pin that Winston Dunk, late in the game! if we had Jason Wills now!...Wow! > Joel was hot last night. What a great vibe! >These games need to be on Sat. >The MEAC ran an Ad on the jumbotron & had tourny info at the arena > WSSU had the full band there it seems.
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Post by JayBee on Jan 26, 2010 8:20:51 GMT -5
U guys r all idiots for the most part excuding pj..... maybe not idiots but its very interesting how quick u guys jump on and off band wagons... Clearly Porter is no where close to the problem for the aggies, he plays almost half the minutes as coleman andthere are many nights there stats are parrallel, he averages at least 1 charge per game, and only had 2 turnovers 2nite (The team had 25+, 17 in the first half)..... Dont get me wrong now, his game isnt the prettiest and his skills arent the best but it gets the job done on the defense and offensive end and he's by far one of the toughest players they have... just like me, u guys r big fans of highlights (Thomas Colemans dunks) but a 2 point dunk is the same as a 2 point ugly lay up (Porter) to the scoreboard... also if u were paying attention to the actual game u would have noticed that porter also battled in the paint on defense and gave up 0 points to his man the whole time he was on the floor.... Guard play and toughness is the issue... Since this is an opinion board and we are all idiots based on our opinions, what does that make you?
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Post by hawkeye on Jan 26, 2010 9:26:24 GMT -5
i think i might have "overestimated" our talent... Me too. We just don't have the personnel to show up, lace up and ball. Wearing an Aggie basketball uniform use to mean something. Where is the Aggie Pride? There should never be an off night for "hustling and playing solid defense". What's up with D.Upchurch? Haven't seen him in the box score the last couple of games.
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Post by JeffAggieFan on Jan 26, 2010 9:35:26 GMT -5
I give WSSU a lot of credit for just working harder. We had a chance at 47-44 to put the game and were jacking up 3's. The good news is that it a nonconference game. Hampton made a big mistake with letting go of Coach Collins
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 26, 2010 9:48:32 GMT -5
SHOWDOWN DOESN'T GO AGGIES WAY
WINSTON-SALEM – The North Carolina A&T men’s basketball team went through a horrific scoring drought in the first half against arch-rival Winston-Salem State Monday night at Joel Coliseum. The Aggies overcame that to take a lead late in the game. And then at the wrong moment, the drought occurred again, and the Rams came away with a 59-57 win.
“We turned the ball over way too many times in the first half,’’ said N.C. A&T head coach Jerry Eaves, who suffered through watching the Aggies turn the ball over 17 times in the first half. “We cut down on the turnovers in the second half, but we just didn’t execute the way we should have down the stretch. We didn’t get after the loose balls that would have won us the game.”
After the Aggies won battle for a loose ball, Thomas Coleman’s dunk gave the Aggies a 47-42 lead with just under seven minutes remaining. N.C. A&T could not pull away from the Rams, despite the fact that the Rams struggled from the free throw line and the field. In fact, the Aggies next field goal did not come until there was 29 seconds remaining in the game.
The Aggies still held a 50-46 lead after Nic Simpson hit two free throws with 2 ½ minutes remaining. It would seem the Aggies were in a good position, considering to that point the Rams had scored just 12 points in the second half.
The Rams’ offense got back on track as their pressure defense began to take its toll on the Aggies. A Paul Davis layup was followed by an Aggies turnover, which led to a Shelton Carter 3-pointer that put the Rams ahead 51-50 with 1:45 remaining. The Rams never relinquished the lead again.
Another Aggies turnover led to a 3-point play by Marcus Wells. When Wells knocked down two more free throws, the Rams had a 56-50 lead with 36 seconds remaining. The Rams were led by Wells and Davis who had 12 points apiece. Tavarus Alston had 17 points on four 3-pointers made.
Behind three 3-pointers from Alston in the first four minutes of the game, the Aggies took an 18-4 lead. The Rams inserted a quicker lineup to execute their press. It worked. The Aggies turned the ball over 10 times over the next 10 minutes as the Rams took a 23-22 lead with 6:21 remaining in the first half.
“After Tavarus got us going, their pressure defense really took us out of what we wanted to do,’’ said Eaves. “We scored just six points in the last 15 minutes of the first half, which was disturbing because we prepared for their pressure. But when they started pressing, we simply didn’t react well.”
The Aggies begin a four-game homestand starting Saturday when they host Coppin State at 2 p.m.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Jan 26, 2010 10:27:55 GMT -5
It has been really interesting watching all you that called me an idiot and an unloyal aggie over the last two years.........basically consign everything I've been saying. I mean, you guys are even asking Eaves to be fired and I've never done that.
What's the difference now? He's doing what he's been dong for the last 7 years. When I was trying to tell you everything that you're saying and thinking now.....it became cool to attack me. I mean, seriously, what's going on here? Was it just because I was the "negative" voice? The season is early. The conference is weak and so is our budget. What's the worse that can happen? Not having a top 3 finish and losing 1st round in the tourney?
Wait a minute.............
Sorry Thrilla, couldn't resist.
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Post by DECKS on Jan 26, 2010 10:45:47 GMT -5
^^^Lol, I always thought you were on point.
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Post by Trueaggie on Jan 26, 2010 10:51:36 GMT -5
Aahhbigboy; I figured you were just quietly waiting for the enevitable to happen. For others to finally see what was obvious from early on. It is coaching technique that does not work for this program; I blame the Rennick era for all of this.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 26, 2010 11:19:27 GMT -5
naw jaybee, here's the funniest... I think Porter is far from the problem. Its the guards who are "turnover drama queens". i absolutely agree, jazz. at least porter was hustling! i wasn't making light of porter, i just thought the quote was funny...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 26, 2010 11:29:35 GMT -5
I give WSSU a lot of credit for just working harder. We had a chance at 47-44 to put the game and were jacking up 3's... you're exactly right, jeffaggiefan. under those circumstances most coaches would have instructed his players to attack the basket (which is a high percentage shot) and draw fouls! the only time you take a 3 is when you're "wide open". at that point in the game, every possession was critical. yet we're tossing up contested 3's instead of attacking the basket and drawing fouls!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 26, 2010 11:35:32 GMT -5
It has been really interesting watching all you that called me an idiot and an unloyal aggie over the last two years.........basically consign everything I've been saying. I mean, you guys are even asking Eaves to be fired and I've never done that. What's the difference now? He's doing what he's been dong for the last 7 years. When I was trying to tell you everything that you're saying and thinking now.....it became cool to attack me. I mean, seriously, what's going on here? Was it just because I was the "negative" voice? The season is early. The conference is weak and so is our budget. What's the worse that can happen? Not having a top 3 finish and losing 1st round in the tourney? Wait a minute............. Sorry Thrilla, couldn't resist. aahhbigboy, the problem with your previous criticism is that "it was all negative" no matter what. even when eaves had the team moving in the right direction, you criticized him. i don't think anyone on this site has said eaves was a perfect coach. but most of us were able to see both the good and the bad. you were only able to see the bad. that's the difference...
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Post by DOOMS on Jan 26, 2010 11:38:27 GMT -5
It appears everybody is only able to see the bad now.
A more even-keeled approach gets better results. His criticism may have been all negative (it wasn't, but nobody cared to notice), but it was consistent. If the team was half as consistent as his criticisms, the bandwagon wouldn't be so empty right now.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 26, 2010 11:43:46 GMT -5
last night i saw extremely poor game management by eaves. we committed about "11 consecutive turnovers" in the first half and basically all of them happened for the same reason against the same press. we made some of the most bone head mistakes against the press like dribbling into a trap and hesitating with the ball while in the trap areas. our perimeter ball handling skills and our basketball iq are dreadful. i saw some of the worst "decision making" ever by an aggie basketball team! and get witter's azz off of the perimeter! he's not a guard, he doesn't handle pressure well at all! i'm so sick and tired of these soft azz post players disguised as guards! not enough "toughness" on this team! everybody's too busy being cute!
every team in the meac should just press the hail outta us 'cause we can't handle worth a darn! and i don't care how many fouls alston had, but when your team is consistently turning the ball over, you're not getting any shots at the basket, and your 13 point lead is just dwindling away, then you put your best ball handler back into the game, period! everything just fell to pieces when eaves took alston out of the game!
the last 15 minutes of the first half were the most "embarrassing" brand of basketball i've "personally" ever seen by an aggie basketball team! eaves appeared to be totally helpless! for 15 minutes there was nothing he could think of to cut down on 17 first half turnovers that basically cost us the game! i'm sorry, but that's just unacceptable coaching! as the saying goes, "fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me!" except collins fooled eaves 17 times! we had "25" to's for the game! it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to break a press. and you would think that "guard play" would be eaves' strength as a coach. but you'd never know it based on how our guards played last night. just pathetic!
our guys play with very little intensity, they appear to be more interested in being cool than winning games! its hard to win games when your guys are too busy trying to be cute! we're too cool to dive for loose balls. we're too cool to mix it up in the paint and be physical. we're too cool to get down and dirty on defense. and we're too cool to attack the darn basket! in terms of intensity, if general lee coached our basketball team, do you think our guys would be playing so soft? oh, heck no!!
our entire team stands straight up when playing defense. now i know why howard shot 67% against us. winston almost played as awful a game as we did and we still didn't win the friggin' game!
i'm sorry, no need to sugarcoat it, but last night's performance was simply "embarrassing"! enough is enough! i've been an avid supporter of eaves up to this point. but when the team is losing way too many games that it ought to win and it "embarrasses" itself against an arch rival that "spotted us" 13 points, then its time to point the finger at the coach...
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Post by JeffAggieFan on Jan 26, 2010 12:27:25 GMT -5
I think we were down 44-43 and Coleman got two nice slam to put us up by 3. You would think A&T would continue to give him the ball.
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Post by getuprams on Jan 27, 2010 0:45:55 GMT -5
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