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Post by DECKS on Jan 3, 2009 1:03:07 GMT -5
The 2003 defense under Lee was one of the best in the nation but as I recall, we sucked big time in 2004 & 2005! Playing "devils advocate", why would we want to hire him again?
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Post by Aggie77 on Jan 3, 2009 2:34:52 GMT -5
As I recall, the offense sucked more. The offense only scored about 180 points each of those seasons. My concern is can the offense get back up 300+ point a season like the Hayes years?
I hope he doesn't get trapped into over focus on the defense, especially if the defense falters early in the season, then unfortunately other areas will suffer particularly the offense. He needs to manage the details, the resources, the game plan, the football program, etc.
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Post by bluehaze on Jan 3, 2009 6:48:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't remember the defense being terrible. I remember alot of 3rd and 4 runs up the middle for 2 yards and a punt.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 3, 2009 9:16:40 GMT -5
In 2004, Blue Death began to experience the poor tackling problems that still exists in this program today. I remember in the Capital City Miracle game, that one NCCU receiver (I believe he was a transfer from JSU) broke about 30 tackles on his way to what would have been the game-winning TD.
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Post by wart on Jan 3, 2009 10:53:36 GMT -5
Athletes make great coaches. Coaches can only take an average player so far before the truth is revealed. I still believe it's recruiting and missing on some of the players that were recruited. Putting players in positions where they could not be successful and asking them to do things they could not do.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 3, 2009 11:09:32 GMT -5
How would you grade the recruiting that was done when Small and Lee were last here?
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Post by wart on Jan 3, 2009 11:22:12 GMT -5
Average at best.
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Post by DECKS on Jan 3, 2009 11:27:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't remember the defense being terrible. I remember alot of 3rd and 4 runs up the middle for 2 yards and a punt. You guys are having a memory lapse. The defense against weaker teams was ok, but the good teams took us to the wood shed. Bethune Cookman, Hampton, SC State and even Morgan pretty much pimped slapped our defense. Even NCCU put up 400 yards of total offense against us in 2005.
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Post by hollywoodswagga on Jan 3, 2009 12:18:44 GMT -5
You also have to keep in mind of the T.O.P during 04' and 05' seasons. The defense was on the field a majority of the time these two seasons. The offense had no productivity until Berry took over responsibilites for the offense during 2005 season(which would not make a bad OC decision if Lee were hired as head coach) also at this point you have to remember there was not a S&C program set up or ran properly. There were people in and out during those two seasons and the players were not in shape to play a full season of football. With the fact players were asked to play on all the special teams. Now I am not saying that the starters should not play special teams because they should however when you have guys on DEFENSE playing an average of about 70 to 80 snaps plus the 20 to 30 plays on special teams you are going to get worn down. Look at the injuries those two seasons. Now Im not high on Lee as a candidate but you can not put all the defensive struggles on him while he was here coaching it was more than the calls he made. And on a side note the defense began to fall when Oliver was named to the coaching staff(2004 season) let him go and you will see a significant difference he brought all the troubles to Aggie Land.
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Post by DECKS on Jan 3, 2009 14:37:27 GMT -5
The offense was never good during Small's tenure. The success they had in 2003 was only because the defense consistently gave them a short field. With most of the same players back in 2004 the defense progressively got worse.
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Post by DOOMS on Jan 3, 2009 15:12:14 GMT -5
Minus Deloatch and 2-Shot. Those were two of the best defensive players in school history.
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Post by bluehaze on Jan 3, 2009 15:29:19 GMT -5
Herbert Dixon being killed in the offseason really hurt the defense and the team overall. Not trying to have revisionist history, because I did support the decision to remove him, but that was a major factor in the team's play.
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Post by aggieborn5 on Jan 5, 2009 13:28:02 GMT -5
It wasn't just Herb Dixon's death that caused the collapse. We had a rash of misc injuries along with other incidents that took place after Herb was gone. Montray Jackson LB neck injury during camp, Rico Watkins QB broken ankle 2nd game , Marshall Glenn QB shoulder 4th game, Randall Rankins QB out. just to name a few. A hand full of players including staters got snatched off the field due to academics right before the first game. The team was down to its 4th string QB by the 4th game. The team still had alot of talent even though we struggled. The following year still had less talent but a strong senior class, but could only manage the same recod as the year before. things just got worse after that. You can't blame Lee though. he did his part. The truth is A&t has been without a Head Coach for 3 out of the last 7 New Years. You do the math on how many talented football players we might have lost during those years. Not to mention all the D-I transfers that were not allowed in school....
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Post by DECKS on Jan 5, 2009 14:23:25 GMT -5
Good points AB5. So what happens if he's faced with similar challenges again? This is A&T and all that kind of stuff isn't likely to go away.
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Post by DOOMS on Jan 5, 2009 14:43:37 GMT -5
He'd lose, just like any coach on earth would lose if all that happened.
Not to mention between the head coach losing his mother just prior to the season, the o.c. getting chopped halfway through the season, the stagnant budget, the masturbator, zero support from the a.d. and the obvious firing at the end of the year, how much could we fairly expect?
Some numbers:
Us: 2002 – total defense 85th (before Lee) 2003 – total defense 3rd (with Lee) 2004 – total defense 35th 2005 – total defense 66th 2006 – total defense 114th (after Lee) Morgan: 2005 – total defense 108th (before Lee) 2006 – total defense 35th (with Lee) 2007 – total defense 2nd 2008 – total defense 1st
So what happened was the defense was still a lot better when Lee was here than when he was not.
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