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Post by Maxell on Dec 19, 2008 20:35:27 GMT -5
I just turned on the Richmond vs Montana game and was immediately jealous. Richmond has a black coach, a black QB and black skill players. The difference: The line. These guys are quick, athletic, strong and well coached. They are blowing folks off the ball. And they just happen to be white.
I know we have said it over and over on the board but that is the difference between us and this game (among other things). Many of us have played with white OL. They just have a different approach to the position. That's not to say that black linemen are not or cannot be good but the mental and physical approach is different. That being said, our new OL coach should be a white guy that played center for somebody and is a mean SOB. Montana's O-line is huge but quick and they are doing the same thing. Their left tackle is named "Levi" and he's 6'7" 305 and can move.
What I'm saying may or may not be controversial, but it's true. We should be playing in this damn game. So, let's hire a white OL coach (and maybe even bring in a white recruit or two) to raise the attitude standard and let's get it done. That is IF we want to play in this game, ever.
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Post by Maxell on Dec 19, 2008 21:12:08 GMT -5
As I was saying ...
1st Qtr
Richmond 21 Montana 0
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 19, 2008 21:25:57 GMT -5
Like I said in another thread, we generally will try to play skill positions until forced to play line. How many college linemen do you know that were running backs or receivers until 10th grade or later. Meanwhile any white kid who's daddy was over six feet tall is playing line in grade school.
That's why I'm thinking in order to be successful we have to run an offense that doesn't rely on so much line skill.
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Post by Maxell on Dec 19, 2008 21:54:29 GMT -5
That's why I'm thinking in order to be successful we have to run an offense that doesn't rely on so much line skill. Name one.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 20, 2008 8:52:15 GMT -5
Wing-t Veer Wishbone
Sorry, you said one. But while I admit that you do need to have a certain amount of skill to run these three offenses, you don't have to be Mr. Fundamentals. You can angle block with the wing t and cut block with the other two.
You also don't need big ole linemen to run them. We should have shunned them fat linemen ages ago for the smaller, quicker types that can block for those offenses. Let all the big boys get the pro-sized kids and let all the other hbcus get the big fat ones. The smaller pwcs will get the slightly smaller but faster ones. We'll take the leftovers and make something out of them.
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Post by Aggie9195 on Dec 20, 2008 9:40:57 GMT -5
First year head coach wins National Championship!!! Amazing! Why cant we do something like this?
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 20, 2008 9:45:41 GMT -5
If you saw Richmond's budget and the budget of the teams they play in their conference, you wouldn't ask...
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Post by pitbull on Dec 20, 2008 9:54:33 GMT -5
That type success starts w/ great coaching and a good OL/DL....Big athletic guys who can pull, run block and pass block.....
We have 3 RsF already on the yard and they are: 6’4’’ 285 6-4, 280 6-5 290
We are losing 2-3 OL this year but we already have the following waiting to play/already playing: 6-6 310 6-4 290 6-2 260 6-4 330 6-2 295
Just committed: 6-5 275
Pough was an OL in his day. He knows that we have to change the way we have recruited OL/DL in the past to compete w/ the likes of UR /App St/UD/Montana etc.....
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Post by aggie62 on Dec 20, 2008 12:59:59 GMT -5
GREAT!!!!
I have said on numerous occassionsa that a team success is based first and foremost on the success of its lines (offensive & defensive). Without excellent lines a team is destined to fail. We saw that this year with our poor offensive line play, the QBs and RBs couldn't get into the play before because the opponent's defensive lineman or linebacker was in the backfield with him. Major emphasis has to be place on recruiting excellent line coaches and linemen.
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Post by Maxell on Dec 20, 2008 21:08:01 GMT -5
If you saw Richmond's budget and the budget of the teams they play in their conference, you wouldn't ask... Dooms, you are ABSOLUTELY right. Richmond spends $4.4 million on football. We spend $2.1 million. BUT Richmond is a private school with 3,000 undergraduates with tuition, room and board of $47,000 per year. So the cost of a scholarship is much much more. So the real differences aren't as drastic as you might think.
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Post by aggiebornandbread on Dec 21, 2008 0:28:43 GMT -5
richmond lost to App state last year in route to app state winning the national championship.... this year richmond beat app state in route to richmondwinning the natinal championship. we didnt win the national champtionship but if my memory serves me right first year coach smalls won the league title in hiis first year, so it kinda tells me that that richmond had players before the coach got there just as A&Tdid when Smalls got here. .. for whatever its worth in the equation.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 21, 2008 8:03:13 GMT -5
If you saw Richmond's budget and the budget of the teams they play in their conference, you wouldn't ask... Dooms, you are ABSOLUTELY right. Richmond spends $4.4 million on football. We spend $2.1 million. BUT Richmond is a private school with 3,000 undergraduates with tuition, room and board of $47,000 per year. So the cost of a scholarship is much much more. So the real differences aren't as drastic as you might think. Ok, what about the budgets of the teams they play against... They get their practice on versus much better funded teams too. That's a huge factor.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 21, 2008 15:13:43 GMT -5
What was McKenzie's reasons for running so many key lineman off?
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Post by Maxell on Dec 21, 2008 15:40:25 GMT -5
Dooms, you are ABSOLUTELY right. Richmond spends $4.4 million on football. We spend $2.1 million. BUT Richmond is a private school with 3,000 undergraduates with tuition, room and board of $47,000 per year. So the cost of a scholarship is much much more. So the real differences aren't as drastic as you might think. Ok, what about the budgets of the teams they play against... They get their practice on versus much better funded teams too. That's a huge factor. I agree.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 22, 2008 7:00:06 GMT -5
Uh, coach205, when's the last time a team got past the first round of the playoffs without being in the top 25 in spending? And how often does this happen? It's not a rhetorical question; I honestly don't know. I'm willing to bet that the answers are not lately and not often.
By the way, retention takes money. At least honest retention takes money. And considering an hbcu that consistently gets past the first round is going to undergo additional scrutiny you can't just give away grades to people.
I absolutely agree, the lines are the key to winning. I've posted that numerous times here and nobody disagrees. Where we disagree is the ability to recruit, retain, and train the linemen. A two-deep chart worth of good linemen will never occur at an hbcu again. Never. Richmond and Montana on the other hand... SC State's line was clearly the best in hbcu football. I might be naive but I believe it has something to do with their budget also being the best in hbcu football. If not it's one hell of a coincidence.
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