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Post by aggie2039 on Apr 25, 2024 16:01:40 GMT -5
How can that be true when things were changed less than a year ago. lol Those articles were written in 2022...the harvard ruling happened in June 2023. The DEI changes started happening in 2023. Those articles are opinion pieces that are not based on facts. A&T had 38K applications last year....Howard had 30K applications last year. I speak to kids and their families and none have mentioned DEI or affirmative action. Only the media cares about these changes. Those articles do not mention DEI or affirmative action. In my role at A&T I review applications for students seeking admission to our honors college. Social justice and the current climate of racial hostility in our country is absolutely a concern for many of them and they fully articulate that in their essays and video interviews. This does not suggest this is a sole factor, or even a main factor...but it is a factor. But I'm also intrigued that you seem adamant in your attempt to dismiss this as a factor. As if our kids attending PWIs don't see what's going on in these spaces and don't feel threatened or upset by it. How could you be so obtuse to that and believe that HBCUs would not be impacted by those seeking what they deem as safer, more welcoming, and more empowering space. Because i live in the real world, the average kid is not choosing HBCUs over DEI and Affirmative Action being overturned. Furthermore, people believe what they want without an evidence. Sure those kids write those essays but that is a select few. A&T accepted 17K students yet only 1500 have paid a deposit...how many of those admitted also applied to PWIs and are going to enroll there? A lot! Your job is based on HBCU conversation, therefore you are biased. You are surrounded with people that think like you which is why it is hard to process that someone who is black does not care about those things. Black kids are still going to PWC in larger numbers than they attend HBCUs. numbers do not lie. Every day black athletes are leaving HBCUs to attend PWCs, that show you that the majority of kids are not worried about social justice. Adults are the ones who consistently bring up racial hostility, DEI and affirmative action.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 25, 2024 20:34:59 GMT -5
Current students tell why they chose A&T:
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Post by Freeze on Apr 25, 2024 22:11:27 GMT -5
In my role at A&T I review applications for students seeking admission to our honors college. Social justice and the current climate of racial hostility in our country is absolutely a concern for many of them and they fully articulate that in their essays and video interviews. This does not suggest this is a sole factor, or even a main factor...but it is a factor. But I'm also intrigued that you seem adamant in your attempt to dismiss this as a factor. As if our kids attending PWIs don't see what's going on in these spaces and don't feel threatened or upset by it. How could you be so obtuse to that and believe that HBCUs would not be impacted by those seeking what they deem as safer, more welcoming, and more empowering space. Because i live in the real world, the average kid is not choosing HBCUs over DEI and Affirmative Action being overturned. Furthermore, people believe what they want without an evidence. Sure those kids write those essays but that is a select few. A&T accepted 17K students yet only 1500 have paid a deposit...how many of those admitted also applied to PWIs and are going to enroll there? A lot! Your job is based on HBCU conversation, therefore you are biased. You are surrounded with people that think like you which is why it is hard to process that someone who is black does not care about those things. Black kids are still going to PWC in larger numbers than they attend HBCUs. numbers do not lie. Every day black athletes are leaving HBCUs to attend PWCs, that show you that the majority of kids are not worried about social justice. Adults are the ones who consistently bring up racial hostility, DEI and affirmative action. Lol @ "I live in the real world." It's wild to see you rationalize that the BLACK in "HBCU" has no appeal to the students who choose to apply and enroll in these spaces. It's almost as if you believe our students have no understanding of the distinct nature and culture of HBCUs and what these spaces have meant to Black people in this country. Do you really believe the majority of the kids who choose to apply and enroll don't care about that?
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Post by aggie2039 on Apr 25, 2024 22:23:14 GMT -5
Because i live in the real world, the average kid is not choosing HBCUs over DEI and Affirmative Action being overturned. Furthermore, people believe what they want without an evidence. Sure those kids write those essays but that is a select few. A&T accepted 17K students yet only 1500 have paid a deposit...how many of those admitted also applied to PWIs and are going to enroll there? A lot! Your job is based on HBCU conversation, therefore you are biased. You are surrounded with people that think like you which is why it is hard to process that someone who is black does not care about those things. Black kids are still going to PWC in larger numbers than they attend HBCUs. numbers do not lie. Every day black athletes are leaving HBCUs to attend PWCs, that show you that the majority of kids are not worried about social justice. Adults are the ones who consistently bring up racial hostility, DEI and affirmative action. Lol @ "I live in the real world." It's wild to see you rationalize that the BLACK in "HBCU" has no appeal to the students who choose to apply and enroll in these spaces. It's almost as if you believe our students have no understanding of the distinct nature and culture of HBCUs and what these spaces have meant to Black people in this country. Do you really believe the majority of the kids who choose to apply and enroll don't care about that? I do
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 26, 2024 10:22:06 GMT -5
If the kids themselves they are saying that they chose A&T because it is an HBCU, I dont understand why you wouldn't want to believe them.
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Post by aggie2039 on Apr 26, 2024 11:02:48 GMT -5
Two different conversations....
Original response was to poster saying kids are going to HBCUs because of DEI offices being closed and the affirmative action case.
Kids choosing HBCUs to be around other black people has nothing to do with the recent changes to affirmative action and DEI.
Applications to HBCUs were increasing prior to 2023 and 2024 policy changes.
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Post by saabman on Apr 26, 2024 11:21:45 GMT -5
40k= Number of applications 17k= Number Admitted 3k= Number Enrolled So what happened to the other 14,000 people who applied and got accepted? They could be remote/ virtual or commuter students. I know of at least 21 kids right here in the Gainesville area that have been taking virtual class loads with A&T and will soon be graduating in 2025 . And at least 75 more that have applied and accepted in the virtual program. So that could be what your 14k could be comprised of. Although it may be different A&T most virtual learning students are exempt from paying out of state fees and other standard fees attached to in-state students and out-of-state students that reside on campus or commute.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 26, 2024 11:24:13 GMT -5
Two different conversations.... Original response was to poster saying kids are going to HBCUs because of DEI offices being closed and the affirmative action case. Kids choosing HBCUs to be around other black people has nothing to do with the recent changes to affirmative action and DEI. Applications to HBCUs were increasing prior to 2023 and 2024 policy changes. OK, but I just saw your response to Freeze where he asked if you doubted that current A&T students have "understanding of the distinct nature and culture of HBCUs and what these spaces have meant to Black people in this country", and you said you indeed doubted that. This might have been another example of you just making a silly argument on this site for the sport of it, but I didn't understand your response to Freeze's specific question. That's all.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 26, 2024 11:49:35 GMT -5
So what happened to the other 14,000 people who applied and got accepted? They could be remote/ virtual or commuter students. I know of at least 21 kids right here in the Gainesville area that have been taking virtual class loads with A&T and will soon be graduating in 2025 . And at least 75 more that have applied and accepted in the virtual program. So that could be what your 14k could be comprised of. Although it may be different A&T most virtual learning students are exempt from paying out of state fees and other standard fees attached to in-state students and out-of-state students that reside on campus or commute. No, even if you are remote/virtual you still have to officially enroll in the university.
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Post by bseballaggie on Apr 26, 2024 11:55:21 GMT -5
In my role at A&T I review applications for students seeking admission to our honors college. Social justice and the current climate of racial hostility in our country is absolutely a concern for many of them and they fully articulate that in their essays and video interviews. This does not suggest this is a sole factor, or even a main factor...but it is a factor. But I'm also intrigued that you seem adamant in your attempt to dismiss this as a factor. As if our kids attending PWIs don't see what's going on in these spaces and don't feel threatened or upset by it. How could you be so obtuse to that and believe that HBCUs would not be impacted by those seeking what they deem as safer, more welcoming, and more empowering space. Because i live in the real world, the average kid is not choosing HBCUs over DEI and Affirmative Action being overturned. Furthermore, people believe what they want without an evidence. Sure those kids write those essays but that is a select few. A&T accepted 17K students yet only 1500 have paid a deposit...how many of those admitted also applied to PWIs and are going to enroll there? A lot! Your job is based on HBCU conversation, therefore you are biased. You are surrounded with people that think like you which is why it is hard to process that someone who is black does not care about those things. Black kids are still going to PWC in larger numbers than they attend HBCUs. numbers do not lie. Every day black athletes are leaving HBCUs to attend PWCs, that show you that the majority of kids are not worried about social justice. Adults are the ones who consistently bring up racial hostility, DEI and affirmative action. If your thinking wasn't so dangerous, you would be funny. The country is built, designed around racism and white supremacy. Organizations and Universities have been told that they cannot have scholarship money solely for black athletes, something white organizations do and have done for generations, we are trying to catch-up and help our kids. Our athletes at PWI's are excotized unfortunately, most want that, (looking at football only)! "Adrien Bouchet, director of TIDES and the primary author of the study, said, “The academic success of FBS football student-athletes has remained unchanged from last year’s all-time high. The overall football student Graduation Success Rate (GSR) remained constant at 83.0 percent, same as 2022" . "The gap between white and Black football student-athletes increased slightly this year, so it continues to be a major issue," Bouchet said. "The gap this year is 13.2%, up from 11.6% last year. Among the 82 bowl-bound teams, the average GSR for Black football student-athletes is 79.3%, slightly down from 79.5% in 2022. The average GSR for white football student-athletes increased from 91% in 2022 to 92.5% in 2023." The players tell their truths, and they make the choses: storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/c63f234d76154980a4fb44707ef2e8a9www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39266986/racial-gap-persists-grad-rates-bowl-bound-athletes
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 26, 2024 12:03:07 GMT -5
bseballaggie, I think the argument you are trying to make is that black athletes at HBCUs are doing better academically than black athletes at PWIs.
If so, you need to show that data.
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Post by aggie2039 on Apr 26, 2024 13:11:31 GMT -5
Because i live in the real world, the average kid is not choosing HBCUs over DEI and Affirmative Action being overturned. Furthermore, people believe what they want without an evidence. Sure those kids write those essays but that is a select few. A&T accepted 17K students yet only 1500 have paid a deposit...how many of those admitted also applied to PWIs and are going to enroll there? A lot! Your job is based on HBCU conversation, therefore you are biased. You are surrounded with people that think like you which is why it is hard to process that someone who is black does not care about those things. Black kids are still going to PWC in larger numbers than they attend HBCUs. numbers do not lie. Every day black athletes are leaving HBCUs to attend PWCs, that show you that the majority of kids are not worried about social justice. Adults are the ones who consistently bring up racial hostility, DEI and affirmative action. If your thinking wasn't so dangerous, you would be funny. The country is built, designed around racism and white supremacy. Organizations and Universities have been told that they cannot have scholarship money solely for black athletes, something white organizations do and have done for generations, we are trying to catch-up and help our kids. Our athletes at PWI's are excotized unfortunately, most want that, (looking at football only)! "Adrien Bouchet, director of TIDES and the primary author of the study, said, “The academic success of FBS football student-athletes has remained unchanged from last year’s all-time high. The overall football student Graduation Success Rate (GSR) remained constant at 83.0 percent, same as 2022" . "The gap between white and Black football student-athletes increased slightly this year, so it continues to be a major issue," Bouchet said. "The gap this year is 13.2%, up from 11.6% last year. Among the 82 bowl-bound teams, the average GSR for Black football student-athletes is 79.3%, slightly down from 79.5% in 2022. The average GSR for white football student-athletes increased from 91% in 2022 to 92.5% in 2023." The players tell their truths, and they make the choses: storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/c63f234d76154980a4fb44707ef2e8a9www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39266986/racial-gap-persists-grad-rates-bowl-bound-athletesI am sorry but I do not read your post since you are clearly biased and conistently living in the past.
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Post by aggie2039 on Apr 26, 2024 13:13:02 GMT -5
Two different conversations.... Original response was to poster saying kids are going to HBCUs because of DEI offices being closed and the affirmative action case. Kids choosing HBCUs to be around other black people has nothing to do with the recent changes to affirmative action and DEI. Applications to HBCUs were increasing prior to 2023 and 2024 policy changes. OK, but I just saw your response to Freeze where he asked if you doubted that current A&T students have "understanding of the distinct nature and culture of HBCUs and what these spaces have meant to Black people in this country", and you said you indeed doubted that. This might have been another example of you just making a silly argument on this site for the sport of it, but I didn't understand your response to Freeze's specific question. That's all. Yeah, his comments had nothing to do with the discussion therefore I just said something. Really did not place much thought into his comments or the discussion.
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Post by winstonaggie on Apr 26, 2024 15:16:08 GMT -5
The umbrella framework that is the foundation of DEI - that is to say full participation and fair treatment across the board - has been around for a while, but the discussions were typically siloed for a specific marginalized group. DEI provides a way to speak about the collective without focusing solely on women, or race, or disability, or orientation, or nationality. My son will be in Honor's College in the fall, and for him, what is currently known as DEI was definitely 'a' factor in choosing an HBCU. At the Honor's College dinner, other students I had a chance to speak with, voiced some of the same concerns. You can write an essay that leans a particular way whether it is a true belief you hold or not, however, it is much harder for a teenager to BS their way through an in-person interview with panelist that include peers, faculty, and department heads asking questions that they haven't practiced answering.
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Post by saabman on Apr 27, 2024 7:12:03 GMT -5
They could be remote/ virtual or commuter students. I know of at least 21 kids right here in the Gainesville area that have been taking virtual class loads with A&T and will soon be graduating in 2025 . And at least 75 more that have applied and accepted in the virtual program. So that could be what your 14k could be comprised of. Although it may be different A&T most virtual learning students are exempt from paying out of state fees and other standard fees attached to in-state students and out-of-state students that reside on campus or commute. No, even if you are remote/virtual you still have to officially enroll in the university. You can enroll on line .
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