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Post by AggiePride on Apr 24, 2024 13:19:14 GMT -5
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Post by aggie2039 on Apr 24, 2024 13:20:40 GMT -5
How can that be true when things were changed less than a year ago. lol Those articles were written in 2022...the harvard ruling happened in June 2023. The DEI changes started happening in 2023. Those articles are opinion pieces that are not based on facts. A&T had 38K applications last year....Howard had 30K applications last year. I speak to kids and their families and none have mentioned DEI or affirmative action. Only the media cares about these changes. Those articles do not mention DEI or affirmative action.
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Post by bluehaze on Apr 24, 2024 13:21:49 GMT -5
I wonder where the 3,000 number came from? Me too. Cause we could easily do more. Maybe housing plays into it? Housing, infrastructure, professors, class size...
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Post by A&T AGGIE 96 on Apr 24, 2024 14:15:05 GMT -5
Me too. Cause we could easily do more. Maybe housing plays into it? Housing, infrastructure, professors, class size... All of that... If we continue to address the above...we could see a 20K student NCA&T in the near future. Very interesting how "strategic" these guys are. They came after NCA&T, Hampton, and Howard. I wouldn't surprise me if they aren't looking at Morgan as well. When you start looking at the endowments, academics, growth, etc...as HBCUs we have a lot in common compared to other HBCUs. Now we just have to bring our athletics programs up to par.
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Post by saabman on Apr 24, 2024 18:47:16 GMT -5
Nah, the post I saw said specifically "they only accepted 3,000." Might've been a copy of a tweet since it was full of hashtags but since I don't have twitter... Yes. The strategy is to get AA kids from CAA areas ( VA, MD, PA, NY, NJ, MA vs the deep south. Those kids don't have the access to as many HBCUs as the kids in the south do. We were already getting a ton of kids from those areas weren't we? And there's only so many out-of-staters we can admit. We already got penalized for going over the out-of-state enrollment cap. So I gots to figure Ultron's Vision is the reason for the season. And I figure most kids actually don't care about what conference we're in one way or the other. I guess we're the "cool" thing. Could it be 3K in physical in-person on campus admissions and the rest (17k) could be commuter and virtual freshman students admitted. 3k would correlate better with on campus slots based off of graduation versus 17K. Me think it's 17k commuter and virtual. 3k physical presence on campus.
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Post by scaggie09 on Apr 25, 2024 5:00:47 GMT -5
40k= Number of applications 17k= Number Admitted 3k= Number Enrolled
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Post by marchingband1969 on Apr 25, 2024 12:03:33 GMT -5
I've been around enough high school students to admit that it's impossible to figure out how they pick a college. I do believe that all the "experts" that point to a specificevent..." George Floyd's death", or racial incidents on PWI campuses or DEI changes are guessing. Those situations may be factors but not the only reasons. I think one big factor to the increase in HBCU applications is, HBCUs have become "cool" again. For a long time I think HBCUS were "plan B" if you didn't get into a PWI. Don't get me wrong, a whole bunch of our kids are still hoping to get into PWIs but HBCUS are more of an option now.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 25, 2024 12:54:57 GMT -5
40k= Number of applications 17k= Number Admitted 3k= Number Enrolled So what happened to the other 14,000 people who applied and got accepted?
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Post by marchingband1969 on Apr 25, 2024 13:27:50 GMT -5
40k= Number of applications 17k= Number Admitted 3k= Number Enrolled So what happened to the other 14,000 people who applied and got accepted? Here's my guess at what happened to the 14,000 students that were accepted and didn't show up for Freshman move in day... 1. A&T was their back up school and they decided to attend their first choice college instead 2. The student realize they can't actually afford to attend college 3. The student gets scholarship money from another college and decides to attend another college. 4. Some personal issues in their home causes them to change their decision. 5. They see pictures of War Memorial Stadium and say... " This place is a dump!"
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Post by Bornthrilla on Apr 25, 2024 13:41:01 GMT -5
Definitely No. 5.
Our enrollment would be over 20,000 now if it wasn't for that dump.
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Post by Freeze on Apr 25, 2024 14:51:16 GMT -5
How can that be true when things were changed less than a year ago. lol Those articles were written in 2022...the harvard ruling happened in June 2023. The DEI changes started happening in 2023. Those articles are opinion pieces that are not based on facts. A&T had 38K applications last year....Howard had 30K applications last year. I speak to kids and their families and none have mentioned DEI or affirmative action. Only the media cares about these changes. Those articles do not mention DEI or affirmative action. In my role at A&T I review applications for students seeking admission to our honors college. Social justice and the current climate of racial hostility in our country is absolutely a concern for many of them and they fully articulate that in their essays and video interviews. This does not suggest this is a sole factor, or even a main factor...but it is a factor. But I'm also intrigued that you seem adamant in your attempt to dismiss this as a factor. As if our kids attending PWIs don't see what's going on in these spaces and don't feel threatened or upset by it. How could you be so obtuse to that and believe that HBCUs would not be impacted by those seeking what they deem as safer, more welcoming, and more empowering space.
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Post by A&T AGGIE 96 on Apr 25, 2024 14:57:03 GMT -5
So what happened to the other 14,000 people who applied and got accepted? Here's my guess at what happened to the 14,000 students that were accepted and didn't show up for Freshman move in day... 1. A&T was their back up school and they decided to attend their first choice college instead 2. The student realize they can't actually afford to attend college 3. The student gets scholarship money from another college and decides to attend another college. 4. Some personal issues in their home causes them to change their decision. 5. They see pictures of War Memorial Stadium and say... " This place is a dump!" I'm ecstatic that we have that many students interested in NCA&T. Having tens of thousands of applications means we get to pick from some of the best. That said, the truth is we don't have the capacity to have a 5 or 6,000 freshman class. Let's say we enrolled half of the 14,000 students that were accepted, where would we put 7,000 freshmen that were "guaranteed" housing their first year? Just imagine the pushback we would get from existing students...which are currently housed on campus at the highest rates in the UNC system. We gonna need more student housing on and off campus to reach even 5K freshman a year. Plus, what would that do to "quality" of the student body. I remember years ago when Renick was pressing the "growth" button and letting a little bit of anybody in and it wasn't good for the school. The plans I have seen what a 20K NCA&T with managed growth...so far, so good.
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Post by bluehaze on Apr 25, 2024 15:28:51 GMT -5
So what happened to the other 14,000 people who applied and got accepted? Here's my guess at what happened to the 14,000 students that were accepted and didn't show up for Freshman move in day... 1. A&T was their back up school and they decided to attend their first choice college instead 2. The student realize they can't actually afford to attend college 3. The student gets scholarship money from another college and decides to attend another college. 4. Some personal issues in their home causes them to change their decision. 5. They see pictures of War Memorial Stadium and say... " This place is a dump!" That's pretty much what it is. Schools always send acceptance letters to more students than they can allow, because everyone that is accepted more than likely got accepted into multiple universities and will make their Final Decision based upon various factors. Just like asking ten girls to dance at the gym jam and if you are lucky, three say yes
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Post by bluehaze on Apr 25, 2024 15:30:50 GMT -5
I'm also not sure of what the 17k number is comprised of, but I do know that some students are wait listed and once the decision day deadline has passed, if there are any other slots those kids get contacted.
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 25, 2024 15:41:55 GMT -5
How can that be true when things were changed less than a year ago. lol Those articles were written in 2022...the harvard ruling happened in June 2023. The DEI changes started happening in 2023. Those articles are opinion pieces that are not based on facts. A&T had 38K applications last year....Howard had 30K applications last year. I speak to kids and their families and none have mentioned DEI or affirmative action. Only the media cares about these changes. Those articles do not mention DEI or affirmative action. In my role at A&T I review applications for students seeking admission to our honors college. Social justice and the current climate of racial hostility in our country is absolutely a concern for many of them and they fully articulate that in their essays and video interviews. This does not suggest this is a sole factor, or even a main factor...but it is a factor. But I'm also intrigued that you seem adamant in your attempt to dismiss this as a factor. As if our kids attending PWIs don't see what's going on in these spaces and don't feel threatened or upset by it. How could you be so obtuse to that and believe that HBCUs would not be impacted by those seeking what they deem as safer, more welcoming, and more empowering space. Some of them may be preaching to the choir or saying what they believe the school wants to hear. When I wrote my essay to Howard Law I talked at length about social justice and public interest law being my interest. I was completely blowing smoke up their asses. I wanted admittance and a scholarship, and I knew to write my essay based on the interests of those reading it. I wrote essays with totally different vibes to the other schools I applied. That being typed, I do see it as a factor. When I came to Ayantee I straight up wanted to go to an hbcu, period. And that was far prior to the current climate. A lot of kids are very socially conscious and ready to change the world at that age, so I could see it leading to increased applications. With all the "we sold out" talk though, I also would've figured it might've harmed the number of applications we received. That has me wondering if it was a loud minority making that noise.
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