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Post by jbrob on Oct 30, 2023 12:23:38 GMT -5
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Oct 30, 2023 13:07:48 GMT -5
I really don't care what Barnette is doing at WSSU this year.....look at what he did LAST YEAR at A&T VS winning competition.
NCCU - 357 total yds ; 13 points ND St - 189 total yds ; 3 points Gardner Webb - 340 yds ; 17 points
That equates to 295 ypg and 11 ppg vs winning competition. As much of a problem I have with Young, I think we can all agree that the talent on last year's squad was MUCH BETTER. However, versus winning opposition, this was all Barnette could muster as our OC vs quality FCS competition.
Fast forward to 2023.....with the (apparent lack of) talent we have on this team, we WOULD NOT be much better with Barnette as our OC. Versus good competition, Barnette came up very small and would be doing virtually the exact same thing right now. Maybe instead of the 122nd team in offense, we'd be 115th-118th. So if you want to opine about the good ole days when Barnette had our offense going up and down the field at will and scoring points out the ying yang, I really don't know what type of revisionist history you're referring to. He was not a quality FCS OC....and to compare him to Young doesn't even make me miss him one bit as our OC.
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Post by DECKS on Oct 30, 2023 14:08:36 GMT -5
It's largely subjective but I thought Barnette was a very good offensive coordinator, especially pre-covid. As for last season imo we didn't lose to a team we should have been beaten. Folks just vastly underrated nccu and GWU. Both who went on to win post season games. Finding a good OC just isn't an easy task. My fear is we could easily go thru 3 or 4 before we come up with the right person. Over the last 25 years how many good ones have we had? How many good ones outside of Hayes or Broadway regimes? Not retaining Barnette was Coach Brown's decision and I respect that. Hopefully he makes the right decisions at the end of this season.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Oct 30, 2023 14:50:45 GMT -5
I didn't underrate NCCU or GWU....maybe Barnette did, because as both games moved along, we got more and more predictable. We scored a grand total of 3 points in the 2nd half of both games, combined. Pre-Covid, we were in the MEAC. Post-COVID, we have been in the Big South and CAA. You just cannot say pre/post COVID without mentioning that FACT.
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Post by crowntownaggie on Oct 30, 2023 21:26:12 GMT -5
Barnette was not a good OC, not subjective, same way Wash was not the HC for this transition. Winning with someone else’s players is a thing and both benefited from a cupboard that was full, look at it now and ask me again why we are struggling. This result is the same result we were getting under those two because these are mostly their players.
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Post by DECKS on Nov 1, 2023 6:21:15 GMT -5
You all kill me with this "winning with someone else's players" when that assistant was on staff and helped recruit players. Many times the assistant was more instrumental in recruiting than the head coach. Go back to 2019 and see how we ended the year putting up 63 points against Alcorn in the CB. For that season the team averaged over 38ppg. Then we took dang near two years off due to covid. Amazingly we all expected the team to pick up where we left off? Finished 5-6 in 2021 and improved to 7-4 2023. He had things he needed to improve upon but was still one of the better O.C's during my time watching Aggie Football over the last 35 years. If we're not careful we will go thru 4 or 5 more years of futility before we come up with a good one. It's not an easy task. We should have learned our lesson on that from previous experiences.
Lastly, you don't go from 7-4 to 1-7 worst in the nation offensively because of talent.
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 1, 2023 6:38:18 GMT -5
You all kill me with this "winning with someone else's players" when that assistant was on staff and helped recruit players. Many times the assistant was more instrumental in recruiting than the head coach. Go back to 2019 and see how we ended the year putting up 63 points against Alcorn in the CB. For that season the team averaged over 38ppg. Then we took dang near two years off due to covid. Amazingly we all expected the team to pick up where we left off? Finished 5-6 in 2021 and improved to 7-4 2023. He had things he needed to improve upon but was still one of the better O.C's during my time watching Aggie Football over the last 35 years. If we're not careful we will go thru 4 or 5 more years of futility before we come up with a good one. It's not an easy task. We should have learned our lesson on that from previous experiences. Lastly, you don't go from 7-4 to 1-7 worst in the nation offensively because of talent. Yes you do, especially when it is talent at key positions and you play a tough schedule. This is our toughest schedule ever and we have a true freshman QB and lost all 3-4 of our top WRs. We also has 3 new starters on the OL. We also lost our entire starting front 7 and key backups. Previous staff only was able to sign and retain 1 DLineman over 285 pounds 😂. Walkons are on the travel squad, shows how empty the cupboards are.
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Post by crowntownaggie on Nov 1, 2023 9:15:00 GMT -5
You all kill me with this "winning with someone else's players" when that assistant was on staff and helped recruit players. Many times the assistant was more instrumental in recruiting than the head coach. Go back to 2019 and see how we ended the year putting up 63 points against Alcorn in the CB. For that season the team averaged over 38ppg. Then we took dang near two years off due to covid. Amazingly we all expected the team to pick up where we left off? Finished 5-6 in 2021 and improved to 7-4 2023. He had things he needed to improve upon but was still one of the better O.C's during my time watching Aggie Football over the last 35 years. If we're not careful we will go thru 4 or 5 more years of futility before we come up with a good one. It's not an easy task. We should have learned our lesson on that from previous experiences. Lastly, you don't go from 7-4 to 1-7 worst in the nation offensively because of talent. That CB bowl against Alcorn featured a senior Elijah Bell, and most importantly, it featured Grad Student Kylie Carter. Two of the most important players who were brought in under Broadway. You could even argue that we only landed Jah-Mayne due to the success other RBs had under Broadway, look at how Barnette and Washington developed him and got him ready for a possible NFL opportunity. Jalen looked like he was going to be an effective passer but what did Barnette get out of him in his last two years? Inconsistent play that showed up in the W-L column. Y’all forget we backed into both of those CB bowls under Wash and Co, thank the Lord himself for Bethune upsetting FAMU 2018 and for FAMU not being eligible in 2019. It started good because of what he inherited but that last season featured embarrassing offensive performances. Players not being motivated and not performing is definitely a two way street but it’s the coaches job to keep the guys in line and they couldn’t do that either. The last regime inherited a Cadillac but they barely changed the oil and drove the tires out to the point that this was never going to be an easy job for whoever we were able to bring in. I do my fair amount of complaining during losses but that was something I understood coming into the season. Going to have to allow Brown about three full seasons before we know if he is actually our guy, like any other new hire in CFB.
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Post by DOOMS on Nov 1, 2023 10:17:09 GMT -5
You all kill me with this "winning with someone else's players" when that assistant was on staff and helped recruit players. Many times the assistant was more instrumental in recruiting than the head coach. Go back to 2019 and see how we ended the year putting up 63 points against Alcorn in the CB. For that season the team averaged over 38ppg. Then we took dang near two years off due to covid. Amazingly we all expected the team to pick up where we left off? Finished 5-6 in 2021 and improved to 7-4 2023. He had things he needed to improve upon but was still one of the better O.C's during my time watching Aggie Football over the last 35 years. If we're not careful we will go thru 4 or 5 more years of futility before we come up with a good one. It's not an easy task. We should have learned our lesson on that from previous experiences. Lastly, you don't go from 7-4 to 1-7 worst in the nation offensively because of talent. Yes you do, especially when it is talent at key positions and you play a tough schedule. This is our toughest schedule ever and we have a true freshman QB and lost all 3-4 of our top WRs. We also has 3 new starters on the OL. We also lost our entire starting front 7 and key backups. Previous staff only was able to sign and retain 1 DLineman over 285 pounds 😂. Walkons are on the travel squad, shows how empty the cupboards are. I can buy the record. I can’t buy the offensive ineptitude. I also don’t believe it’s that difficult to find a decent offensive coordinator, provided you know what one looks like.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 1, 2023 11:13:20 GMT -5
.......AND I QUESTION THAT!!!! DOES COACH BROWN KNOW WHAT AN OFFENSIVE COORDINADOR (HELL, DOES HE KNOW WHAT OFFENSE) LOOK LIKE!! It is scary how inept we are offensively.....we cannot be THIS BAD a year from now. If so, I'm done with the entire staff. You can't be 122nd for 2 straight years.....opine like Nat King Cole at the weekly press conferences and say "It's a great day in AggieLand"......and think this isht is gonna continue to slide.
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Post by planoaggie on Nov 1, 2023 12:00:44 GMT -5
You do not need to evaluate a coach's performance on the field for 3 years before deciding whether he was a good hire or to extend his contract. If a new hired head coach has a terrible 1st season then it may be fair to dismissed the coach after season 2 if it is clear that the team is moving in the wrong direction; not moving in correct direction fast enough based on agreement or expectations; lost the respect of the team and/or supporters; poor recruiter of talent; not competitive in games against important rivals; etc.
Similarly, if Coach Brown wins the CAA conference championship next year we could decide to modify his contract instead of waiting for year 3 results.
I am just stating and not promoting that Coach Brown should be fired after year 2 if he under performs. I just disagree with some that say we "must" give him 3 years to build a winning football program. Achievable seasonal goals should be set and measured against his performance to determine what is the next move. What was he asked to deliver this season and how well did he perform on those metrics?
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Post by planoaggie on Nov 1, 2023 12:06:18 GMT -5
You all kill me with this "winning with someone else's players" when that assistant was on staff and helped recruit players. Many times the assistant was more instrumental in recruiting than the head coach. Go back to 2019 and see how we ended the year putting up 63 points against Alcorn in the CB. For that season the team averaged over 38ppg. Then we took dang near two years off due to covid. Amazingly we all expected the team to pick up where we left off? Finished 5-6 in 2021 and improved to 7-4 2023. He had things he needed to improve upon but was still one of the better O.C's during my time watching Aggie Football over the last 35 years. If we're not careful we will go thru 4 or 5 more years of futility before we come up with a good one. It's not an easy task. We should have learned our lesson on that from previous experiences. Lastly, you don't go from 7-4 to 1-7 worst in the nation offensively because of talent. I think you just need to add the word "only" before the word because. There were multiple factors at play in my opinion.
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Post by crowntownaggie on Nov 1, 2023 16:12:01 GMT -5
Plano, I don’t disagree because sometimes the signs are clear by the second year but it does make more sense to allow a new coach two full recruiting cycles after his first season in CFB.
In regards neighborhood’s comment about the current OC, I think he has shown he is capable at some of his other spots just from reviewing what info is available on him. He did a good job at Colgate, I remember the QB he had at Elon getting some decent praise as well, and we all knew W&M was a top dog in the CAA due to us moving into the conference. I’d like to see the offense figure out how to implement whatever does work to the strengths our players do have and to build from there. A few folks pointed out the progress over the last couple of games so hopefully that trend continues to gain more traction. I’d be understanding of moving on from a coordinator sooner than the HC for what it’s worth.
Edit: forgot that the OC did not come from W&M with Brown and was poached straight from Elon.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 1, 2023 16:24:45 GMT -5
.......AND I QUESTION THAT!!!! DOES COACH BROWN KNOW WHAT AN OFFENSIVE COORDINADOR (HELL, DOES HE KNOW WHAT OFFENSE) LOOK LIKE!! It is scary how inept we are offensively.....we cannot be THIS BAD a year from now. If so, I'm done with the entire staff. You can't be 122nd for 2 straight years.....opine like Nat King Cole at the weekly press conferences and say "It's a great day in AggieLand"......and think this isht is gonna continue to slide. Be prepared to demand change because this is a 3-5 year project to respectability.
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Post by DOOMS on Nov 1, 2023 16:52:46 GMT -5
Plano, I don’t disagree because sometimes the signs are clear by the second year but it does make more sense to allow a new coach two full recruiting cycles after his first season in CFB. In regards neighborhood’s comment about the current OC, I think he has shown he is capable at some of his other spots just from reviewing what info is available on him. He did a good job at Colgate, I remember the QB he had at Elon getting some decent praise as well, and we all knew W&M was a top dog in the CAA due to us moving into the conference. I’d like to see the offense figure out how to implement whatever does work to the strengths our players do have and to build from there. A few folks pointed out the progress over the last couple of games so hopefully that trend continues to gain more traction. I’d be understanding of moving on from a coordinator sooner than the HC for what it’s worth. Edit: forgot that the OC did not come from W&M with Brown and was poached straight from Elon. You might wanna check his numbers at Colgate again. Far from impressive. Also he ain’t have a thing to do with the qbs at Elon.
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